Rank every comic book film - where do the Spider-Man films fit in?

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Spiderdevil

Richard Parker did invent the formula,but he hid it well
On the other hand Peter completed it and gave it to Connors(something Richard knowingly avoided)
He was responsible for creating the Lizard

Where is the proof of Peter having completed the Decay Rate Algorithm?

Originally Posted by Spiderdevil

Adjusted for inflation it only beat Batman and Robin

Anyway,So I think making 500M WW odd and beating SR is a huge feat by your logic.Thats around what I expect it to make

I never go by inflation, so I wouldn't know, hence why I will say it did beat every Batman film of Burton's/Schumacher's series except for Batman '89.

Lol, "by my logic". Beating SR will be easy.

Fair point

Yah, I make quite a lot of those.

[Picard Sisko]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Where is the proof of Peter having completed the Decay Rate Algorithm?

You really won't give this up will you?

[Anno_Domini]

How dare I reply to someone's post

[Picard Sisko]

Not my point.

[Anno_Domini]

Uhhu.

[Spiderdevil]

Originally Posted by SoNicRaDiATioN

I'm not saying there weren't a few hiccups here and there in Nolan's trilogy. I've posted in the past about some of the poor hand to hand combat sequences in BB. A scene in TDK that has always bothered me was when Batman was on the Batpod and he blew a hole through some parked cars in order to clear a path for himself. A couple of those cars landed in close vicinity to some kids. That was pretty reckless, but blown off by the visual gag of them shooting at him with their fingers as he raced by. Things like this are few and far between though. Nolan's intent was to dissolve the comic frame and to immerse the audience in a more realistic world. That's the important thing.

Things like this can happen in Nolan's movie,but if they happen in Raimi's or TASM,then everyone loses their minds

JK

I will not blame the lack of CGI for lackluster action sequences. The confrontation with the NYPD on the streets was a highlight for me. And I liked the school scenes for the most part. The weakest sequences for me were the bridge sequence and that Raimi-esque crane sequence.

I will blame it on their reluctance to use CGI.
The crane scene wasnt a action scene but it was beautiful swinging

Sure you can, not everything has to be operatic. It depends on how the scene is written and who Spidey is fighting. A fight with the Goblin would obviously entail different motion dynamics then a fight against the Lizard. I would definitely want some operatics at some point though.

A 140M budget Spidey movie means terrible CGI and they wont be able to afford practical stunts aswell.It will be half assed effort

The only films that have really gone beyond the comic sensibilities and truly resonated in any real kind of way are Nolans films and Singer's X-films. I'm sure there are others that I'm not thinking of at the moment though. TASM I thought would go there, but many of it's scenes I would call typically comic book.

And what about the Man who made the concept of CBM famous in the modern era in the first place?
Nolan's movies are hardly comic book movies,they are crime thrillers or something.
I dont know what you mean 'go there' but Spidey should never have a dark theme.Maybe realistic but never dark.It was a terrible terrible idea to try it imo.Batman can have it because many of his comics and characters are actually dark
Spidey's been around for more than half a century with various different comic mediums,cartoons,games and ofcourse movies.And not a single one(Except TASM) used the dark theme and were all very successful.Thats how Spidey is supposed to be.A perfect mix of action,comedy and emotion.The dark theme should never be associated with him.
If Nolan made a Spidey movie,it'll be terrible,no doubt about it.
Its absolutely necessary to see the type of superhero you are working with and try to make a tone which suits him rather than going 'Hey audience love TDK trilogy so lets ape the tone'.I think Sony made a mistake at that
As for Singer's X-men movies,I hated Xmean and X2 because they had no character development and felt stale to me.I loved First class though but I would go as far as to say he did any thing revolutionary

If there is a movie which has set the bar for the perfect origin its IM1/SM1 and if there is a movie which has set the bar for a perfect sequel its TDK/SM2

If Batman Begins were poor the TDK would have had much less anticipation.

Ledger's death,news of his great performance led to the anticipation
BB had very little to do with it

[Picard Sisko]

I didn't find TASM dark at all (unless you literally look at how many scenes take place at night). Maybe in comparison to the Raimi trilogy it was, but it was still pretty light IMO.

[Spiderdevil]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Where is the proof of Peter having completed the Decay Rate Algorithm?

I think he did
Anyway that wasnt my point,He gave it to Dr Connors despite his father having hidden it away,he was indirectly responsible.His guilt is totally understandable

I never go by inflation, so I wouldn't know, hence why I will say it did beat every Batman film of Burton's/Schumacher's series except for Batman '89.

That is completely flawed,especially when the difference is more than 5 years
It only beat B&R
And I am not even taking into consideration the increase in ticket prices,markets in the foreign territory etc

Lol, "by my logic". Beating SR will be easy.

By your logic it will be great achievement aswell

[Picard Sisko]

lol

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Originally Posted by Spiderdevil

Nolan's movies are hardly comic book movies,they are crime thrillers or something.
I dont know what you mean 'go there' but Spidey should never have a dark theme. Maybe realistic but never dark.It was a terrible terrible idea to try it imo.Batman can have it because many of his comics and characters are actually dark
Spidey's been around for more than half a century with various different comic mediums,cartoons,games and ofcourse movies.And not a single one(Except TASM) used the dark theme and were all very successful.

Realistic is the word. It gets mixed up with dark all the time by people. And what exactly was so dark about TASM? The answer is nothing. If that's dark to you then I hope your demographic is never served again because we'd get nothing but bubble gum. They just cut out a lot of the Raimi melodrama from the bygone era (thankfully). They went for more realism but puss*** out and didn't take it all the way, instead adding stupid gags like dunking the basketball, bending the goal posts and that horrible crane sequence with the constuction workers that would make Sam proud. We don't need that ever again in my lifetime. It's just dated and lame garbage. Give me something that feels like the 21st century, quit referencing things that are forty years old. I could care less in what tone something was written in half a century ago. Neither do Singer and Nolan. Peter discovering Connors hideout by seeing lizards go down a drain....The Lizard's silly villian monologue in the sewers. That's what I meant when I said they didn't "go there" There not being the place of tired recycled genre conventions.


I'm also tired of people saying Spidey shouldn't be this or that 'cause the comics say so. Ever read a Batman comic from the fifties or sixties? You see Nolan's films in that? Things evolve, which is why I was happy they were taking a page from ultimate on TASM. I want DRAMA, humor and action that isn't delivered in a cartoony way, is that too much to ask? Sony? anyone?

Originally Posted by Spiderdevil

It didnt have that great an anticipation

Oh really.

[Picard Sisko]

I remember the "good ol' days" when Batman was always smiling on his covers. lol

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I want a Batman film where he and Robin save Babonga the sea monster.

[Spiderdevil]

Originally Posted by SoNicRaDiATioN

Realistic is the word. It gets mixed up with dark all the time by people. And what exactly was so dark about TASM? The answer is nothing. If that's dark to you then I hope your demographic is never served again because we'd get nothing but bubble gum. They just cut out a lot of the Raimi melodrama from the bygone era (thankfully). They went for more realism but puss*** out and didn't take it all the way, instead adding stupid gags like dunking the basketball, bending the goalposts and that horrible crane sequence with the constuction workers that would make Sam proud. We don't need that ever again in my lifetime. It's just dated and lame garbage. Give me something that feels like the 21st century, quit referencing things that are forty years old. I could care less in what tone something was written in half a century ago. Neither do Singer and Nolan. Peter discovering Connors hideout by seeing lizards go down a drain....The Lizard's silly villian monologue in the sewers. That's what I meant when I said they didn't "go there" There not being the place of tired recycled genre conventions.

Its not forty years ago,its every time a new adaptation about Spidey is made,The Spectacular Spider-man cartoon for example,it came out just 3 years ago,it had the fun tone Spidey deserves and its the best Spidey adaptation to date
And needless to say,there is nothing realistic about a superhero who gets his powers from a spider bite and whose biggest enemy is ooze from outer space
As for you nitpicking so much on the movie,I can come up with twice as much from BB or TDKR but it doesnt matter,its all justified when Nolan does it and he goes 'up there'

I'm also tired of people saying Spidey shouldn't be this or that 'cause the comics say so. Ever read a Batman comic from the fifties or sixties? You see Nolan's films in that? Things evolve, which is why I was happy they were taking a page from ultimate on TASM. I want DRAMA, humor and action that isn't delivered in a cartoony way, is that too much to ask? Sony? anyone?

And Nolan delivers humour in a non-cartoony way? Nice to know

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Spiderdevil

I think he did
Anyway that wasnt my point,He gave it to Dr Connors despite his father having hidden it away,he was indirectly responsible.His guilt is totally understandable

Well, you know, I think he was just reading Connors' book to actually understand what the equation meant and to remember it since he lied to Connors about knowing the equation himself and having created it himself.

And, I never said his guilt isn't understandable. But it's common for fanboys to put words in my mouth if they just don't agree with anything I say. Only said the dialogue of 'I created him' doesn't make any sense. 'I helped created him' is more fitting and more appropriate.

That is completely flawed,especially when the difference is more than 5 years
It only beat B&R
And I am not even taking into consideration the increase in ticket prices,markets in the foreign territory etc

How is it completely flawed just by looking at the amounts first hand without getting into inflation or what not? Do you think anyone besides the studios themselves actually take inflation in account?

By your logic it will be great achievement aswell

Beating the previous film financially with the same character isn't an accomplishment then? The film that you seem to think ruined the image of Superman overseas. Beating that film and gaining a crowd isn't an accomplishment? By all means then, what would be an accomplishment for Man of Steel?

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

lol

So glad you've gone into troll status as of late.

[Spiderdevil]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

And, I never said his guilt isn't understandable. But it's common for fanboys to put words in my mouth if they just don't agree with anything I say. Only said the dialogue of 'I created him' doesn't make any sense. 'I helped created him' is more fitting and more appropriate.

Seriously you have no idea how dialogues should be written.You take things too literally
'I have to stop him because I helped to create him'
'I have to stop him because I created him'
Which one sounds better and cooler?

How is it completely flawed just by looking at the amounts first hand without getting into inflation or what not? Do you think anyone besides the studios themselves actually take inflation in account?

Everyone here does,especially when the difference in duration is so much
Point is,you are making it seem like its a huge achievement by factoring out a crucial factor like inflation

Beating the previous film financially with the same character isn't an accomplishment then? The film that you seem to think ruined the image of Superman overseas. Beating that film and gaining a crowd isn't an accomplishment? By all means then, what would be an accomplishment for Man of Steel?

So you finally get the point
Doing as well as BB means beating SR and earning near 500M not 800M+

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

I didn't find TASM dark at all (unless you literally look at how many scenes take place at night). Maybe in comparison to the Raimi trilogy it was, but it was still pretty light IMO.

I don't think any of those "DARK" superhero movies are really dark

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by Spiderdevil

Seriously you have no idea how dialogues should be written.You take things too literally
'I have to stop him because I helped to create him'
'I have to stop him because I created him'
Which one sounds better and cooler?

You seriously have no idea how dialogue should be written if you think it has to sound 'cool'.

And the bold sounds better btw

Although, it should be "I have to stop him because I helped create him."

Everyone here does,especially when the difference in duration is so much
Point is,you are making it seem like its a huge achievement by factoring out a crucial factor like inflation

Everyone here does? I have only known you to bring up inflation.

So you finally get the point
Doing as well as BB means beating SR and earning near 500M not 800M+

The point?

The point is that beating SR will be an accomplishment; I only hope it reaches 800M.

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Originally Posted by Spiderdevil

And needless to say,there is nothing realistic about a superhero who gets his powers from a spider bite and whose biggest enemy is ooze from outer space

You obviously missed my points completely, or choose not to see them so you can continue in this dialogue. I'll say this for the record: No superhero film is realistic. It's all fantasy. But I want them to make that fantasy feel as real as possible. The more campy and artificial something is, the less immersive the film experience. We're not talking about a Saturday morning cartoon here. It's really not that complicated.

And since when is fun and realism mutually exclusive? Perhaps if you substituted the word fun with entertaining you could grasp the concept better. I definitely want an entertaining (fun) Spider-Man film.

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Originally Posted by Spider-Aziz

I don't think any of those "DARK" superhero movies are really dark

Very true.

[Web face]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

Although, it should be "I have to stop him because I helped create him."

I think they could have gone with, "I helped create him, so I have to help stop him."
It shows that Peter has learned that its about helping, not about getting revenge or something like that.

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by SoNicRaDiATioN

Realistic is the word. It gets mixed up with dark all the time by people. And what exactly was so dark about TASM? The answer is nothing. If that's dark to you then I hope your demographic is never served again because we'd get nothing but bubble gum. They just cut out a lot of the Raimi melodrama from the bygone era (thankfully). They went for more realism but puss*** out and didn't take it all the way, instead adding stupid gags like dunking the basketball, bending the goal posts and that horrible crane sequence with the constuction workers that would make Sam proud. We don't need that ever again in my lifetime. It's just dated and lame garbage. Give me something that feels like the 21st century, quit referencing things that are forty years old. I could care less in what tone something was written in half a century ago. Neither do Singer and Nolan. Peter discovering Connors hideout by seeing lizards go down a drain....The Lizard's silly villian monologue in the sewers. That's what I meant when I said they didn't "go there" There not being the place of tired recycled genre conventions.


I'm also tired of people saying Spidey shouldn't be this or that 'cause the comics say so. Ever read a Batman comic from the fifties or sixties? You see Nolan's films in that? Things evolve, which is why I was happy they were taking a page from ultimate on TASM. I want DRAMA, humor and action that isn't delivered in a cartoony way, is that too much to ask? Sony? anyone?




Oh really.

I see where you're coming from, but "Ultimate" is very light, fluffy and self-referential/meta. The new movie just apes the tone of Nolan and it falls flat. Drama is great, but the character throughout his 50 years has shown he works better with a lighter touch that mixes the dark. It can be more serious than what came before, but not dark.

[Picard Sisko]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

So glad you've gone into troll status as of late.

So by posting "lol" I'm a troll?

[Visualiza]

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

So by posting "lol" I'm a troll?

Apparently. For someone who jabs and prods at other forum members as much as he does, that was a pretty sensitive overreaction.

[C. Lee]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

So glad you've gone into troll status as of late.

Let's see if I got this right....

You make a post where you say - LOL

Spiderdevil quotes it and comments on it.

Picard Sisko posts LOL in response.

And you now call him a troll for saying LOL in response to someone commenting on your post of LOL.


Perhaps you should give up the troll labeling and just try and post civilly from now on.

[Picard Sisko]

I guess the new definition of troll is someone who expresses their laughter.