Star Trek Into Darkness - Part 3

[Rowsdower!]

Originally Posted by redhawk23

People called it a solid little action film. Which is what it was. And then it completely bombed financially. How is it overrated?

Plenty of people on this board treated it like it was one of the best adaptations of all time. To me, it looked cheap and the story was nothing I hadn't seen before.

[redhawk23]

I think people were just happy with its tone and grasp of the character and world.

[DarthSkywalker]

I just really, really like Dredd. The two leads were great and had great chemistry. That carries these kind of films a long way. Also like how they went about the action. It is a simple film but a very well executed one.

[redhawk23]

So hey how about that other science fiction film with Karl Urban?


....


By which I of course mean Priest.

[TheVileOne]

I wonder if with the Craig movies like every other one will be sorta off and disappointing. And then the next one will be totally awesome.

[CapedCrusader14]

Dredd was awesome. Loved it.

[DarkKnight88]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

I wonder if with the Craig movies like every other one will be sorta off and disappointing. And then the next one will be totally awesome.

That was the Star Trek curse (every even-numbered film was good) until Nemesis screwed it up.

[paladinryan]

Cumberbatch on his character, from trekmovie.com (my new favorite site):

Talking to MTV, Benedict Cumberbatch did some reveals about his character John Harrison in Star Trek Into Darkness, saying "he is a terrorist." And fueling to speculation he says "He has extraordinary physical powers, but also mental powers. He can sow an idea, which is as powerful as gunshots or close-hand combat, which he’s masterful in. He tears into the fabric of both the world and the Enterprise family, and he leaves behind him a trail of devastation. It’s quite exciting to watch.”

And Quinto's thoughts:

Zachary Quinto says "there is reason to worry" about the crew of the USS Enterprise because Benedict Cumberbatch’s villain is "entirely different" and there is an "insidiousness, a ruthlessness and a fierce intelligence" about him that "almost infiltrates and undermines the connectivity of the crew."

Pine on Carol Marcus's character vs. Cumberbatch's and the key to dealing with him:

With the reveal that Alice Eve is playing Carol Marcus, Chris Pine was asked if he has a love interest in Into Darkness, and Pine said "so much happens, the action and plot is so fast, there really isn’t much time for Kirk do do anything but save the crew." However he did note that "Kirk loves a blonde" so there is some "flirting" at least. But more importantly, Pine revealed that Marcus’ "scientific knowledge" is a key to resolving the crisis posed by Cumberbatch’s John Harrison.

Sow an idea??? Is that a nod to Inception?

[redhawk23]

Not necessarily Inception itself, but definitely that kind of thing. I can definitely foresee some mental manipulation to sow discord and conflict among the Enterprise crew.

[CapedCrusader14]

I just hope they don't pull the now common "Villain gets himself caught just to escape" plot segment. It was perfectly fine with The Joker, it was pushing it with Loki, and it was just plain obvious with Silva. It's enjoyable but it's starting to wear thin.

[redhawk23]

Is there any reason other than its recent over use that so many people have jumped to the conclusion that plot point is being used here?

[Sawyer]

Originally Posted by redhawk23

Is there any reason other than its recent over use that so many people have jumped to the conclusion that plot point is being used here?

This is the Hype. People like to whine about stuff without a single clue about what context it will be used in.

[redhawk23]

Its everywhere though. I guess that pic of Cumberbatch behind glass was just too much like the endless line of glass cubes we've been treated to as of late.

[DACrowe]

Well the poster and title suggest Nolan, and now he apparently "implants ideas," so it certainly is starting to feel like we've been here before.

I will wait and see. I am not a big fan of Star Trek but enjoyed the last one and think this looks like it may be enjoyable. Albeit, if he lets himself get caught to "sow discord," I'm sure Abrams and co. are already cursing Whedon's name. We shall see.

[Sawyer]

Why would they be cursing Whedon's name?

[DACrowe]

Er, I was kind of vague there.

Because Loki's thin pretense of motivation to let himself get caught was so he could "sow discord" with his staff among the Avengers. Same idea, but if they are talking about this being one of Cumberbatch's main aspects this far out, I am sure they would take the same concept much further.

[redhawk23]

Because if that's the case Whedon beat them to a major plot point and villain tactic.

[Lencho01]

Has anyone seen this? The title is perfect...

http://collider.com/star-trek-2-into...-hands/217338/

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

[Octoberist]

Hilarious!!

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by redhawk23

I think people were just happy with its tone and grasp of the character and world.

shyeah right. Who would want to trade Rob Schneider for those things?

[Pondslider]

Originally Posted by Lencho01

Has anyone seen this? The title is perfect...

http://collider.com/star-trek-2-into...-hands/217338/

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Wow. Hopefully they never use their powers for evil.

[Lencho01]

And there's this...

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-2-bad-robot/

1. The extra shot in the Japanese trailer wasn’t explicitly placed as a red herring.

When the Into Darkness announcement trailer was released, the Internet blew up about the slightly longer Japanese version which showed a shot of Kirk putting his hand on a piece of glass, seemingly playing homage to a famous scene in The Wrath of Khan. Speaking with director J.J. Abrams, he explained that the Japanese trailer is different because Star Trek isn’t as popular internationally as it is here. (Abrams cited the low foreign grosses of the 2009 film.) He said some foreign audiences are more interested in emotions than action. Hence the inclusion of that shot. However, he admitted it’s obviously an homage. It just wasn’t specifically included at this moment to screw with people. It just worked out that way.

[Octoberist]

Has anyone read the Hitfix article about John Harrison? It makes perfect sense and it could be a great theory:

Be warned, it could be potential spoilers if it's true:

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...-into-darkness

On John Harrison:

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

There is a character who exists on the fringes of "Star Trek" canon, and that's why I think it's a crazy theory. Would Abrams and Orci and Kurtzman and Lindelof really take advantage of their big cosmic reset button and tell the story of the character originally named Captain Robert April in the first pilot script for the original series? When "Star Trek" finally did go to pilot, they changed April's name to… Christopher Pike.

In his episode of the animated show, which you can see on NetFlix Instant right now, Robert April's a Commodore, a former captain of the Enterprise, taking a trip with his wife on the ship, and when a mysterious illness hits the crew and starts aging them in reverse, Commodore April and his wife, who are much older than anyone else, and as a result, they were the ones to save the day because they had more time than anyone else to solve the problem. His wife was a Starfleet medical officer when he was the captain, too, so they were both tied to the Enterprise.

Meanwhile, in the books, April is revealed to be someone who came from Coventry in England. You know England, right? That's where London is. You remember why that matters right? Because of the one-sheet looking out on the London skyline.

And the opening of the film, which you'll see at the IMAX presentation, features a moment where Cumberbatch offers to help a family whose daughter is hospitalized in the London Children's Hospital. So it seems like England is important to this April character. Hmmmm. And why does the daughter need help? Because she appears to be prematurely aging. The guy who figured out how to reset the body clock to move in a different direction might be a perfect person to help that little girl… wouldn't you think?

What if you learned that in the books that April's executive officer was a dude named Commander George Kirk? You know… the one that Chris Hemsworth so memorably played at the start of 2009's "Star Trek"? On the other hand, in other books, Pike is April's second-in-command.

So what if something happened to April on a mission somewhere with Pike. It didn't have to be on the Enterprise as long as the two of them were serving together. And what if something terrible happened to April because of Pike and Pike came home and went on with his life? What if April is the one who comes to Earth, not for revenge on Kirk, but for revenge on Pike?

After all, that shot at the end of the trailer that hits online and in theaters on December 17th has Cumberbatch asking, "Is there anything you would not do for your family?" while we see that oh-so-tricky shot of the two hands on opposite sides of the glass. That's totally designed and cut to make you think they're going to try to reproduce the ending of "Wrath of Khan."

But what if it's not Kirk on the other side of the glass from Spock?

What if it's Pike? What if he's playing for his "sins" and saving everyone else on the Enterprise at the same time?

Like I said… that's one crazy theory. I'll bet I'm connecting dots that just don't connect.

Here's the most important piece of evidence to this theory:

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

But… one last thing. In the trailer, you've seen the shot where Cumberbatch jumps, lands, and then swats a dude using a huge long hunk of metal. Well, that hunk of metal is what the crew on the film called "The Big Gun." That's what we were told during our tour, and as everyone was discussing it, we were standing in a room that had been specially set up for today's event.

And on the counter at the back of the room, there was a big book of production art that was open. Laying right there were anyone could see it. And on one of the two pages, there was a concept design sketch for that gun.
But instead of "The Big Gun," it was called "April's Gatling Gun."

As in the gun that April uses. The gun that seems to belong to Cumberbatch in the trailer, which would suggest that Cumberbatch is April.

[Ultra Nolanite]

Originally Posted by Compi716

Okay, new theory! What if Cumberbatch's John Hamilton is really...Methuselah. He's a character that's from TOS, is known for using alternate identities, and is little known enough for JJ & Co. to take liberties with. He is also a superior physical specimen, which would explain the super jumping, and, being that he's immortal, his science is very advanced, which could explain his abilities as a "healer."
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Requ..._%28episode%29

Thoughts?

Nah, Cumberbatch is playing Finnigan. Kirk's greatest adversary from the episode Shore Leave.

Makes sense since he says "But I have returned"

[TheWiseGuy487]

Originally Posted by Octoberist

Has anyone read the Hitfix article about John Harrison? It makes perfect sense and it could be a great theory:

Be warned, it could be potential spoilers if it's true:

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...-into-darkness

On John Harrison:

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

There is a character who exists on the fringes of "Star Trek" canon, and that's why I think it's a crazy theory. Would Abrams and Orci and Kurtzman and Lindelof really take advantage of their big cosmic reset button and tell the story of the character originally named Captain Robert April in the first pilot script for the original series? When "Star Trek" finally did go to pilot, they changed April's name to… Christopher Pike.

In his episode of the animated show, which you can see on NetFlix Instant right now, Robert April's a Commodore, a former captain of the Enterprise, taking a trip with his wife on the ship, and when a mysterious illness hits the crew and starts aging them in reverse, Commodore April and his wife, who are much older than anyone else, and as a result, they were the ones to save the day because they had more time than anyone else to solve the problem. His wife was a Starfleet medical officer when he was the captain, too, so they were both tied to the Enterprise.

Meanwhile, in the books, April is revealed to be someone who came from Coventry in England. You know England, right? That's where London is. You remember why that matters right? Because of the one-sheet looking out on the London skyline.

And the opening of the film, which you'll see at the IMAX presentation, features a moment where Cumberbatch offers to help a family whose daughter is hospitalized in the London Children's Hospital. So it seems like England is important to this April character. Hmmmm. And why does the daughter need help? Because she appears to be prematurely aging. The guy who figured out how to reset the body clock to move in a different direction might be a perfect person to help that little girl… wouldn't you think?

What if you learned that in the books that April's executive officer was a dude named Commander George Kirk? You know… the one that Chris Hemsworth so memorably played at the start of 2009's "Star Trek"? On the other hand, in other books, Pike is April's second-in-command.

So what if something happened to April on a mission somewhere with Pike. It didn't have to be on the Enterprise as long as the two of them were serving together. And what if something terrible happened to April because of Pike and Pike came home and went on with his life? What if April is the one who comes to Earth, not for revenge on Kirk, but for revenge on Pike?

After all, that shot at the end of the trailer that hits online and in theaters on December 17th has Cumberbatch asking, "Is there anything you would not do for your family?" while we see that oh-so-tricky shot of the two hands on opposite sides of the glass. That's totally designed and cut to make you think they're going to try to reproduce the ending of "Wrath of Khan."

But what if it's not Kirk on the other side of the glass from Spock?

What if it's Pike? What if he's playing for his "sins" and saving everyone else on the Enterprise at the same time?

Like I said… that's one crazy theory. I'll bet I'm connecting dots that just don't connect.

Here's the most important piece of evidence to this theory:

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

But… one last thing. In the trailer, you've seen the shot where Cumberbatch jumps, lands, and then swats a dude using a huge long hunk of metal. Well, that hunk of metal is what the crew on the film called "The Big Gun." That's what we were told during our tour, and as everyone was discussing it, we were standing in a room that had been specially set up for today's event.

And on the counter at the back of the room, there was a big book of production art that was open. Laying right there were anyone could see it. And on one of the two pages, there was a concept design sketch for that gun.
But instead of "The Big Gun," it was called "April's Gatling Gun."

As in the gun that April uses. The gun that seems to belong to Cumberbatch in the trailer, which would suggest that Cumberbatch is April.

That's pretty brilliant. That would be amazing if true.