State your unpopular film related opinion - - Part 11

[CConn]

Here's an unpopular opinion...

Memento isn't that good. Brilliant concept and plotting, of course, but I found the character, performances, cinematography, score, art direction and overall direction to be mediocre at best.

I find Inception, TDK, TDKR, Prestige and BB to all be better made films.

[Leenie]

Originally Posted by Matt Mortem

John Wayne was an ultra-right wing doucher.

Which is less tolerable than a rapist like Roman Polanski? Okay ... :\

I mean, people can think what they want and all that jazz, but that's my opinion.

[DyeLorean]

Originally Posted by James

Is that the one where the trucker keeps saying "Candy caaaaaane". I remember seeing that once or twice years ago and liking it well enough. Didn't get anywhere near the levels of creepiness and bizarre mystery of Duel, but it was a neat movie on it's own.

Haha yes. That's the one. Nah, is not that creepy, is more mystery/suspense with some funny moments from Steve Zahn.

[Piper Maru]

Good Burger doesn't get the credit it deserves.

[Donnie Darko]

I honestly think that my comic book fanboy status has made be biased toward Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but if I was to remove that, I would probably have to admit that The Prestige is probably Nolan's best overall movie.

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by Piper Maru

Good Burger doesn't get the credit it deserves.

I liked Good Burger, but what credit isn't it getting?

Originally Posted by CConn

Here's an unpopular opinion...

Memento isn't that good. Brilliant concept and plotting, of course, but I found the character, performances, cinematography, score, art direction and overall direction to be mediocre at best.

I find Inception, TDK, TDKR, Prestige and BB to all be better made films.

I list it like this:

TDK
Inception
Memento
Batman Begins
Prestige
TDKR
Insomnia
Follwing

I don't think TDKR and Insomnia to be his weaker movies, though still good. I think TDKR suffers from the opposite of your issues with Memento, but I don't think your issues that you think hurt memento actually hurt the movie. They weren't specatacular, but the selling point of the movie was and is always the plot. I do feel as though the plotting of TDKR does hurt the movie, though I'm not as harsh on it as others.

While I do not find every plot problem to be a plot hole like others, I just find some roles and some character actions to be rushed, like Alfred leaving Bruce the whole movie the way he did, while I don't find Blake finding out Wayne's identity to be a plot hole (I honestly was sold by Blake's speech), it does leave a lot to be desired and I wish he was able to be given better detective skills.

[Gotham's Knight]

Favourite Nolan films for me are:
TDK/TDKR
Memento
The Prestige
Inception
Batman Begins
Following
Insomnia

But I think the best Nolan films are:
The Dark Knight
Inception
Memento
The Prestige
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman Begins
Insomnia
Following

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

TDKR made me appreciate TDK more, because I realized that in the latter, that's Batman at his physical peak.

[ChickenScratch]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg Bop

TDKR made me appreciate TDK more, because I realized that in the latter, that's Batman at his physical peak.

TDKR just placed a shadow over the entire trilogy for me. TDK is still my favorite of the series.

Batman at his peak never seemed like it.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne

I liked Good Burger, but what credit isn't it getting?



I list it like this:

TDK
Inception
Memento
Batman Begins
Prestige
TDKR
Insomnia
Follwing

I don't think TDKR and Insomnia to be his weaker movies, though still good. I think TDKR suffers from the opposite of your issues with Memento, but I don't think your issues that you think hurt memento actually hurt the movie. They weren't specatacular, but the selling point of the movie was and is always the plot. I do feel as though the plotting of TDKR does hurt the movie, though I'm not as harsh on it as others.

While I do not find every plot problem to be a plot hole like others, I just find some roles and some character actions to be rushed, like Alfred leaving Bruce the whole movie the way he did, while I don't find Blake finding out Wayne's identity to be a plot hole (I honestly was sold by Blake's speech), it does leave a lot to be desired and I wish he was able to be given better detective skills.

And you just illustrated my most loathed aspect of the general populace's thought process on films; all other artistic aspects are rendered inconsequential when compared to plot.

[Parker Wayne]

CConn, you know better than to assume that of me. I thought that the presentation of Memento's presentation was better and not as big a dealbreaker as TDKR's plot (though none were huge dealbreakers).

Anyway, I don't assume them inconsequential, but I for think that plot is one of, if not, the most important aspect of a movie. Just because you don't think so doesn't make other people wrong.

[DyeLorean]

Originally Posted by CConn

Here's an unpopular opinion...

Memento isn't that good. Brilliant concept and plotting, of course, but I found the character, performances, cinematography, score, art direction and overall direction to be mediocre at best.

I think part of the brilliance of that movie is the fact that you are almost just like the character in every way. Yes, the plot and the way the story is told is the main way to make you feel like the character (not knowing what happened before). But I believe the bleak cinematography, the lack of a distinctive score, and the overall unsettling tone also helps a lot at building this world of the unknown that the character lives in.
Even the other characters are very ambiguous. Hell, the story itself is. I might be wrong, but I think all those are creative decisions made by design. And that's perhaps what I like most about the movie, the mystery surrounding the past, present and future of that guy.

[Eddie Dean]

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne

Anyway, I don't assume them inconsequential, but I for think that plot is one of, if not, the most important aspect of a movie. Just because you don't think so doesn't make other people wrong.

It's a case to case basis. Plot may be very important for a political thriller, but an Italian horror film? Not so much.

[Parker Wayne]

Originally Posted by Eddie Dean

It's a case to case basis. Plot may be very important for a political thriller, but an Italian horror film? Not so much.

You're right about that.

[gwynplaine]

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[Piper Maru]

Kill Bill is overrated.

[Spider-Aziz]

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne

I liked Good Burger, but what credit isn't it getting?

It made me fear eating burgers for a while

[Piper Maru]

Good Burger is an all around solid film!

[Darkness Falls]

I like the Inspector gadget movie

[Piper Maru]

Bean is a timeless classic.

[Spider-Aziz]

That one might be the only good movie based on a tv series

[TheGuy]

Originally Posted by CConn

Here's an unpopular opinion...

Memento isn't that good. Brilliant concept and plotting, of course, but I found the character, performances, cinematography, score, art direction and overall direction to be mediocre at best.

I find Inception, TDK, TDKR, Prestige and BB to all be better made films.

One critic said it best that repeat viewings only gave a better understanding of the plot. Viewing experience isn't enhanced.

[Donnie Darko]

Originally Posted by Spider-Aziz

That one might be the only good movie based on a tv series

Wayne's World
The Addams Family
Star Trek

most importantly...

Serenity

[gwynplaine]

The Fugitive
21st Jump Street

[CConn]

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne

CConn, you know better than to assume that of me. I thought that the presentation of Memento's presentation was better and not as big a dealbreaker as TDKR's plot (though none were huge dealbreakers).

Anyway, I don't assume them inconsequential, but I for think that plot is one of, if not, the most important aspect of a movie. Just because you don't think so doesn't make other people wrong.

I'm not saying you're opinion is wrong. I'm saying it's abhorrent to me. There's a difference-