Hans Zimmer Scoring The Man of Steel - Part 2

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[Ultimatehero]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

forgive my stupidity, but why are we comparing Vangelis's score of Blade Runner to Zimmer's score of Man of Steel again?

Kinda too old to go over. But gist of it being, that while I think it's great (like I think Blade Runner's score is great) the score doesn't sound like it will be as memorable as John Williams'. It was basically a way of saying that while some scores are great that doesn't necessarily equate it to being memorable to the masses (or the themes/marches that have become somewhat pop culture). And it was the only example that came to my head the fastest.

I'm of the opinion that while the score sounds great, it doesn't particularly stand-out in the way that I was hoping it would. Therefore while I like it, I'm somewhat let down by it thus far and am cautiously optimistic that there's something cut off that would match or exceed the set expectations.

[Super Kal]

well, for what it's worth, i wasn't a fan of Blade Runner, to be honest... i did hear some of the samples Amazon, though. when comparing to the original music- i dont think the music Williams made for STM will entirely work for MoS. Whil i love the score John Williams made, and i still listen to it, the impression that i got from Zimmer is that this is going to be of a slightly different taste, if that makes any sense. what i heard was pretty good (i figure the drums are going to play an integral part in this score), but will it surpass the John Williams theme? no, of course not.

the Williams theme is classic to a T, but that doesnt go without saying that Zimmer's score will more than likely be good. dont think of this score as trying to "1-up" what John williams did... just see it as Zimmer creating his own unique sound for the Superman franchise. some will like it, others wont.

but to say whether it is somethign i can listen to over and over again, i think it's still too soon to know that.

[Ultimatehero]

Not really "do" John Williams. Just be able to go closer toe to toe with it. As said, I'm still cautiously optimistic that it will, but I'm more fearful at this point that it won't. Basically I was just looking for Zimmers' best music to date since he stated how culturally important Williams' theme is in interviews, so I was looking for something just a tad bit more memorable and iconic whereas it currently sounds like a branch off of what he did on Batman. Which while good, isn't the level of iconography that I was hoping for yet. Or basically something that wouldn't have gotten the mixed reception it seems to have had here and would really pact that "wow" factor.

[Super Kal]

well, personally, i think the trailer music definitely had a "wow" factor... i know i was genuinely impressed

[Great Mind(s)]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

well, personally, i think the trailer music definitely had a "wow" factor... i know i was genuinely impressed

Yeah I came here to post the same exact thing. Trailer 3's music was amazing. I really hope it's in the film. It seemed to fit perfectly with everything we saw. I saw some Man Of Steel trailers recut with John Williams and it just didn't work for me.

[Jim-El]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

well, personally, i think the trailer music definitely had a "wow" factor... i know i was genuinely impressed

Mega dittos........

[Ultimatehero]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

well, personally, i think the trailer music definitely had a "wow" factor... i know i was genuinely impressed

I love the trailer music and this is based purely off of the samples. I'm just hoping the trailer music is 1) in the film, 2) presented like it was in the trailer. It's on the demo, supposedly, so I'm hoping it's within the film itself. Usually trailer music isn't, it's rare that it is - but here it might, so I'm still crossing my fingers that this is one of those rare times in which that's the case.

[Great Mind(s)]

It sounded to me like an homage toward 2001: A Space Oddessy at the part where Superman comes out of the Fortress...

[AnneFan]

Originally Posted by Super Kal

well, personally, i think the trailer music definitely had a "wow" factor... i know i was genuinely impressed

I liked these short snippets with the spacey ambience, and those drums! But indeed, the trailer gives me the most hope.

John Williams created his theme back in the day. He did his lightning in a bottle bit, and that’s great. Though it’d be interesting to see how he would approach doing another Superman score that is totally devoid of that musical DNA. It’d be a mighty task, even for him.

I believe Snyder said they approached the movie as if it was the first, and if no other Superman films existed. That’s a good way of looking at things, including musically.

If you hire Hans Zimmer he gives a Hans Zimmer performance.

[Super Kal]

Originally Posted by Ultimatehero

I love the trailer music and this is based purely off of the samples. I'm just hoping the trailer music is 1) in the film, 2) presented like it was in the trailer. It's on the demo, supposedly, so I'm hoping it's within the film itself. Usually trailer music isn't, it's rare that it is - but here it might, so I'm still crossing my fingers that this is one of those rare times in which that's the case.

i do know from the samples that that specific 4 drum hit (dun-dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun-dun) was there, so i would definitely say that the music that we heard from the third trailer is definitely in the movie. my personal opinion is that the main music we heard in the trailer could possibly be a snippet of the actual Superman theme. that's just speculation, though, on my part.

[Brother Jack]

I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of the samples, but the action music leaves a lot to be desired. It seems exceedingly loud just for the sake of being loud. There also doesn't appear to be much in the way themes, save for a few scant hints like the piano bit in track three. But I was surprised by some of it like the violin solo in "Krypton's Last" and the ambient, alien quality to it makes sense with the way the film is focusing on the kryptonian stuff.

[Stephen K. Hone]

Originally Posted by Ultimatehero

Kinda too old to go over. But gist of it being, that while I think it's great (like I think Blade Runner's score is great) the score doesn't sound like it will be as memorable as John Williams'. It was basically a way of saying that while some scores are great that doesn't necessarily equate it to being memorable to the masses (or the themes/marches that have become somewhat pop culture). And it was the only example that came to my head the fastest.

I'm of the opinion that while the score sounds great, it doesn't particularly stand-out in the way that I was hoping it would. Therefore while I like it, I'm somewhat let down by it thus far and am cautiously optimistic that there's something cut off that would match or exceed the set expectations.

I'd be shocked if the music from 1.15 through to the end of trailer #3 isn't basically the meat and potatoes of MOS's Superman 'hero' theme. To judge the whole soundtrack based on 30 second snippets is imo ridiculous. Why do you think they didn't release clips from every track? They are slowly reeling us in, leaving us wanting more just like they did with build up of the various trailers. Ultimately they totally delivered the goods in the third trailer, and in turn that has finally piqued the interest in this movie for many average John and Jane movigoers.

A few polls are now showing MOS being the MOSt anticipated movie of this summer by a huge margin, and Snyder said HZ "crushed it" in regards to the enormity of the task given to him to deliver a great soundtrack. I don't see any reason to doubt him. To my ears some of the soundtrack has an epic feel to it, and doesn't sound comic bookie at all, and this is totally consistent with the more serious tone of this movie.

Just because you are not hearing something immediately identifiable as the 'HERO' theme (which they likely haven't revealed yet) doesn't mean MOS hasn't got one. I believe HZ said in an interview prior to trailer # 3, that there IS a definitive theme for Superman in his score. When they release the other clips we may hear a miniscule part of it, or perhaps not. It could be deeper within a given track before the theme manifests itself, in which case the samples won't necessarily tell us squat.

The promise this movie holds is growing by the day. By the time STID is in theatres WB's publicity machine is going to be well and truly into hyperdrive, and I'm guessing by then that Superman's New theme will literally be everywhere. I think you (and a bunch of others) are probably worrying needlessly when it come to the theme.

[craigdbfan]

Wow I must be the only one that found the samples to be totally incredible. I can tell there's a beast of a soundtrack behind those (for me at least). At least that's the feeling I'm getting based on how much I'm loving what I'm hearing.

It's a mixture of Zimmer/Howards work in Batman Begin mixed with Zimmer's work in Inception.

[Ultimatehero]

Originally Posted by Stephen K. Hone

To judge the whole soundtrack based on 30 second snippets is imo ridiculous. Why do you think they didn't release clips from every track? They are slowly reeling us in, leaving us wanting more just like they did with build up of the various trailers.

Not everyone's going to like it. And I wasn't the only one that felt underwhelmed listening to it. As said, I'm cautiously optimistic. But so far the reception to it seems to be mixed. With 3 - 4 out of ten not liking it or feeling underwhelmed by it. As said, I hope there is more to it. But, what I heard (and what others heard) has led us (those underwhelmed) to have fears and reservations about it rather than being excited by it.

[BatLobsterRises]

Originally Posted by Ultimatehero

I love the trailer music and this is based purely off of the samples. I'm just hoping the trailer music is 1) in the film, 2) presented like it was in the trailer. It's on the demo, supposedly, so I'm hoping it's within the film itself. Usually trailer music isn't, it's rare that it is - but here it might, so I'm still crossing my fingers that this is one of those rare times in which that's the case.

I think Zimmer confirmed that the trailer music is indeed in the film, and that they chopped it up a bit for the trailer.

[Stephen K. Hone]

Originally Posted by Ultimatehero

Not everyone's going to like it. And I wasn't the only one that felt underwhelmed listening to it. As said, I'm cautiously optimistic. But so far the reception to it seems to be mixed. With 3 - 4 out of ten not liking it or feeling underwhelmed by it. As said, I hope there is more to it. But, what I heard (and what others heard) has led us (those underwhelmed) to have fears and reservations about it rather than being excited by it.

It's like judging the design of a new car based on a close up of part of the tailight. 3 to 4 out of 10 not liking it or being underwhelmed, means 6 to 7 out of 10 are favorable or impressed with what they have heard so far. That's a good start.

[Leetank]

wait

where did people hear samples?

[BatLobsterRises]

My feeling on the inevitable comparisons...

The Williams theme is the proto-superhero theme. Which makes sense, because Superman is the proto-superhero.

But I feel Zimmer's score will be a fitting companion for the more modern conceptions of Superman. What I'm hearing so far has this blend of alienness, power and majesty. Those drums sound like they belong to the most powerful being on Earth. It's not enough to only give him a heroic theme. Superheroes are commonplace to today's audience. This movie is attempting to show people why Superman still matters. The music needs to make us feel awe-inspired by his power...both in terms of sheer might, and his potential to inspire hope. So far I think it's on the right track.

[Gianakin_]

Originally Posted by craigdbfan

Wow I must be the only one that found the samples to be totally incredible. I can tell there's a beast of a soundtrack behind those (for me at least). At least that's the feeling I'm getting based on how much I'm loving what I'm hearing.

It's a mixture of Zimmer/Howards work in Batman Begin mixed with Zimmer's work in Inception.

You most certainly are not alone. It's just that the ones who were underwhelmed are more vocal.

[Super Kal]

i thought they were pretty good- from what i did hear before they were taken down.

my final verdict, however, will be when i hear the entire score by itself

[Sharkboy]

Originally Posted by craigdbfan

Wow I must be the only one that found the samples to be totally incredible. I can tell there's a beast of a soundtrack behind those (for me at least). At least that's the feeling I'm getting based on how much I'm loving what I'm hearing.

It's a mixture of Zimmer/Howards work in Batman Begin mixed with Zimmer's work in Inception.

No not the only one. I also found it to be sublime...or has the potential to be from what I heard. I think some people should maybe try and get out of the mindset that soundtracks all need some sort of hook or theme. I think i read one critique about the samples that stated that the score sounds like "background music"...isn't that what a score is supposed to do? supplement the scenes, that's the priority i would think, not be primarily great music for you to listen to on it's own.

[Rust]

Anyone put the samples into a single file? Cant seem to find the samples right now.

[Simo]

Originally Posted by Rust

Anyone put the samples into a single file? Cant seem to find the samples right now.

Right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tilzHt_oTgQ