The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion - - - - Part 23

[Doc Ock]

I didn't really care for Ratha at all and could care less if he was even seen again. However I also wouldn't mind him being built into a character from the comics under a disguise.

[AF3619]

Originally Posted by SpideyFan866

Yes. The police officer from TDKR who constantly tried to one up Gordon and ultimately ended up contributing nothing to the overall film and TBH. made the film run about 10 minutes longer than it needed to.

yeah, where all the "Gordon is beeing dumped because is peace time" go?

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by SpiderMarvelite

Ratha= Indian Folley.

Expect Ratha was cooler...

A lackluster villain was cooler than someone that actually manned up at the end?

Originally Posted by SpideyFan866

Yes. The police officer from TDKR who constantly tried to one up Gordon and ultimately ended up contributing nothing to the overall film and TBH. made the film run about 10 minutes longer than it needed to.

After more viewings of TDKR at my home, I've come to really like the character of Foley. I didn't for the longest after every viewing in the theatres, but I actually like his little arc of someone wanting to one-up Gordon and then finally seeing Batman for who he really was, which is the real hero of Gotham City. Plus, imo, Foley being the one to see the giant bat signal was perfect and the best option if we weren't going to see any other Gothamites seeing the signal.

Originally Posted by AF3619

yeah, where all the "Gordon is beeing dumped because is peace time" go?

It went when the Mayor died

[Excelsior.]

Yes. The police officer from TDKR who constantly tried to one up Gordon and ultimately ended up contributing nothing to the overall film and TBH. made the film run about 10 minutes longer than it needed to.

Nolan made the film run about 45 minutes shorter than it needed to.

[Anno_Domini]

30 minutes, tops. I don't think TDKR should have been 45 minutes longer, imo.

[Excelsior.]

As much as I think the first act is incredibly bloated with all of the exposition but none of the forward momentum or sense of dread as the first act of TDK, it's the second act that is the bane (excuse the pun) of the entire film. That's where at least fifteen more minutes should've been granted to develop the utter despair Gotham and it's citizens are. Yet those crucial elements are mistakenly undercooked in the chaos of montages. At the end of the film you care that Batman has returned and rose, but you are confused as to why. In TDK, the Joker only targets two boats full of a small number of people, yet it's so much more tense to watch.

[VenomSpawn]

God, you guys want TDKR to be even longer?

I can hardly watch the whole movie as is, it already feels like it's 5 hours long.

[Anno_Domini]

Ehh, I'm fine if a movie is longer as long as the film gets in all that it can and TDKR definitely was a film that needed more but yet that blasted IMAX running time was the biggest negative with TDKR as the film indeed should have been longer and probably would have been or was before Nolan cut down to the two hours and forty-five minutes running time.

I even think TAS-M could have been longer as well.

[VenomSpawn]

I'd be fine with TDKR being longer if the pacing wasn't horrible. TASM had bad pacing too, but it's the opposite, it feels really short, so TASM being longer would have definitely helped it.

[Anno_Domini]

Lol, I feel that TDKR was too short. I guess a long ass movie was never a big deal with me unless it covers as much as it can that doesn't make me ask questions when the film ends. Both had pacing issues and needs some resolve from those issues. Sadly with TAS-M though, it didn't have a running time limit and yet they still chose to chop down some stuff. I assume Sony didn't want a rather long origin film though, but I don't see the problem.

[Excelsior.]

Originally Posted by VenomSpawn

I'd be fine with TDKR being longer if the pacing wasn't horrible. TASM had bad pacing too, but it's the opposite, it feels really short, so TASM being longer would have definitely helped it.

The pacing was horrible because it was short. Ironically, I think a longer film would've made it feel shorter.

[VenomSpawn]

It's a 2h45min long movie that feels like a 4 hour long movie. I don't know what your definition of short is but it clearly isn't the same as mine.

[Picard Sisko]

TDKR was too long, and the editing was horrible. One second its daylight, and suddenly its nightime.

TASM had bad editing, but it wasn't as bad as TDKR IMO. It didn't drag, but it actually needed to be about 15 minutes longer IMO. Why not keep the scene with Connors confronting his son, or him talking to Peter at his house?

[Excelsior.]

Originally Posted by VenomSpawn

It's a 2h45min long movie that feels like a 4 hour long movie. I don't know what your definition of short is but it clearly isn't the same as mine.

I already explained a few scrolls above. It's a short film for the story it was telling.

[Picard Sisko]

TASM really doesn't feel like its 2 hours and 16 minutes. lol

[Anno_Domini]

Originally Posted by VenomSpawn

God, you guys want TDKR to be even longer?

I can hardly watch the whole movie as is, it already feels like it's 5 hours long.

Originally Posted by VenomSpawn

It's a 2h45min long movie that feels like a 4 hour long movie. I don't know what your definition of short is but it clearly isn't the same as mine.

One second it feels like 5, the next 4, huh?

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

TDKR was too long, and the editing was horrible. One second its daylight, and suddenly its nightime.

TASM had bad editing, but it wasn't as bad as TDKR IMO. It didn't drag, but it actually needed to be about 15 minutes longer IMO. Why not keep the scene with Connors confronting his son, or him talking to Peter at his house?

As Excelsior. said, TDKR felt very short because it didn't tell a story of what it should have all covered. Too long is an overstatement when everything goes by fast with really getting into the details of certain things such as Bane's revolution. While on paper, TDKR is almost three hours, it doesn't feel like it.

And TAS-M didn't drag, but in this case, it should have at some areas, and that's why it's a head scratcher that some scenes were deleted when TAS-M should have been longer as well.

[VenomSpawn]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

One second it feels like 5, the next 4, huh?

I fell asleep the other hour.

[Infinity9999x]

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

As Excelsior. said, TDKR felt very short because it didn't tell a story of what it should have all covered. Too long is an overstatement when everything goes by fast with really getting into the details of certain things such as Bane's revolution. While on paper, TDKR is almost three hours, it doesn't feel like it.

I wouldn't say TDKR felt short, but I will say certain beats felt rushed. It actually felt bloated to me. I think Nolan could have streamlined parts of it, and given certain parts more time while cutting back on others, and it would have gotten rid of the odd pacing. I see what you're saying though.

TASM didn't really feel too short or long to me, but it felt incomplete. I could tell that scenes had been cut out of it when I first watched it. And seeing some of the scenes they cut, I'm really dissappointed they didn't include them. TASM may be my favorite Spidey film, but it's far from perfect.

[Spiderdevil]

I think a superhero movie should be 2 Hr 20 minutes long,2 hr 30 Mins tops

I think TASM may have felt short to some because they had to spend 1 hr on the origin story we already knew and the pacing in the final 3rd was too fast

Since there is no origin to tell now and if Webb manages to steady the pacing well.We can have a wonderful film within the same time frame(2Hr 15)

[SpiderMarvelite]

Let's hope not much is cut and the editing is better in 2

[SteveRogers30]

On a unrelated topic ,I've had some spare time lately and as much as i love the final cut ,i felt that there were some really good scenes that were deleted, so i've started doing an extended cut using VideoPad, all the deleted scenes except the clocktower scene and the Hacking connors scene will be in.Sure, it's not perfect 'cause there were some unfinished cgi and stuff , but now that i saw it , i think that the movie is a lot better with the deleted scenes . Anyway , i'll probably post it online by the end of the week.

[Infinity9999x]

Honestly, I was saying this before the film came out, and after seeing it I still stand by it: I don't think the origin was needed. I think we could have gotten away pulling a SSM and starting with him already Spider-man. Do a quick pre-credits, or during credits montage and start it right off the bat with him already being Spidey for a bit.

I honestly don't think it would have confused things much at all, and given more much needed time to developing the Connors/Parker relationship.

[TheIrishAvenger]

Poor Spidey, X-Men: DOFP, Cap 2, Ant-Man all have their own threads but no TASM 2... very strange, haha.

[Picard Sisko]

I think they are waiting for TASM2 to get an official title before giving it its own thread.

[TheIrishAvenger]

Originally Posted by Picard Sisko

I think they are waiting for TASM2 to get an official title before giving it its own thread.

Yeah, probably but still... Production starts in 2 months.