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Old 01-05-2013, 10:24 AM   #101
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She did nothing whatsoever.
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She was still part of the slave trade and didn't exactly lift a finger to right any wrongs Candie did. Guilty by association.
Slave trade was completely legal. It is how Schultz came into possession of Django after all.

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Besides what was said about sending him to the mining camp, the only reason the sister was mad about ripping the dress off was because of all the time she spent "dressing up hilda"
Django just killed her family. Was she going to forgive him and be friends? It's that or the noose.

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Exactly. We may not see her get as nasty as Calvin or Stephen but she is still a slave owner. I didn't feel bad seeing her get blown away hilariously.
Women back then didn't have any rights. They weren't slaves but you could see how she did what Candie told her and had that big fake smile on her face. She didn't do a single disgusting thing in the movie. If someone just killed my family, I would want them tortured too no matter who they were. Then again as mentioned, the final 20 or so minutes were awful anyways...this included.

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She was still part of the slave trade and didn't exactly lift a finger to right any wrongs Candie did. Guilty by association.
What about the other black hand maidens, especially that one that was by Candie's side at Mandingo fights? Steven died for being a traitor...why not her? She was complicit with all the atrocities.

You keep forgetting how Django let a slave get eaten by dogs when he revoked Fritz's offer. He could have been saved. But Candie's sister deserved to die for sending Django off to a work camp after he killed her brother......

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Old 01-05-2013, 01:47 PM   #106
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My problem with her is how she got blown away. For one his pistol has not blown any back throughout the movie so why did she go flying, secondly the angle was completely wrong. I facepalmed hard at that little sequence and it was cringe worthy

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The whole movie was basically a blaxploitation revenge flick. As Foxx said in an interview, if you want to learn about slavery from a movie, watch a documentary, not this one. Ultimately it did just come down to Django taking issue with white people, aside from Schultz. Politically incorrect it may be, she was guilty because she was white, point blank.

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She did nothing whatsoever. She simply wanted rightful retribution. Her brother was murdered for no reason. Django shot up her people and her house. It wasn't even really her idea to send him with the Aussies. It was made clear the idea was planted in her head.
Doesn't matter if the idea was planted in her head, she still agreed with it.

When she did that, she got her hands dirty as well.

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I hope an extended version will show more of broomhilda's life as a concubine "pony".. wasn't there a character that Sacha Baron Cohen was supposed to play..

hopefully there will be some action figures produced for the main characters. Django can get a whip, pistol and rifle.

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Django just killed her family. Was she going to forgive him and be friends? It's that or the noose.
And her brother held a hammer to his wife's head threatening to bash it in. Was he supposed to just let that go?

Doesn't matter how nice she may have come off, at the end of the day she was still a slave owner and he was a former slave...with a gun.

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I should mention that Django didn't kill Candie, but King Schultz did.

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Women back then didn't have any rights. They weren't slaves but you could see how she did what Candie told her and had that big fake smile on her face. She didn't do a single disgusting thing in the movie. If someone just killed my family, I would want them tortured too no matter who they were. Then again as mentioned, the final 20 or so minutes were awful anyways...this included.
Django didn't kill Candie but anyway she was gladly part of a family that owned slaves, that's plenty disgusting.

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What about the other black hand maidens, especially that one that was by Candie's side at Mandingo fights? Steven died for being a traitor...why not her? She was complicit with all the atrocities.

You keep forgetting how Django let a slave get eaten by dogs when he revoked Fritz's offer. He could have been saved. But Candie's sister deserved to die for sending Django off to a work camp after he killed her brother......
Stephen wasn't just a traitor house negro, he was the true mastermind behind the plantation. He put the fear into the other slaves to keep them in check. A worse man than Candie, really. If not for him, Django, Schultz and Broomhilda all get out of Candyland alive.

Also, if I remember right, the girl present for the mandingo fight seemed disgusted by what was taking place.

You mentioned the slave eaten by dogs... What is Django to do there? Attempt to save him and blow his cover as Schultz nearly did in trying to buy him? Django is "getting dirty" as he said. His priority is to save his wife, not to be a hero.

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My problem with her is how she got blown away. For one his pistol has not blown any back throughout the movie so why did she go flying, secondly the angle was completely wrong. I facepalmed hard at that little sequence and it was cringe worthy
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And her brother held a hammer to his wife's head threatening to bash it in. Was he supposed to just let that go?

Doesn't matter how nice she may have come off, at the end of the day she was still a slave owner and he was a former slave...with a gun.
See how your example was about Candie and not his sister? What did Candie holding a hammer to Brunhilda's head have to do with Candie's sister? How is Django any better than Candie's sister when he let an innocent man die?

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I hope an extended version will show more of broomhilda's life as a concubine "pony".. wasn't there a character that Sacha Baron Cohen was supposed to play..
Cohen had to exit the production. I don't think they ever shot his scenes. Shame. His character had one of the best scenes in the script.

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Django didn't kill Candie but anyway she was gladly part of a family that owned slaves, that's plenty disgusting.



Stephen wasn't just a traitor house negro, he was the true mastermind behind the plantation. He put the fear into the other slaves to keep them in check. A worse man than Candie, really. If not for him, Django, Schultz and Broomhilda all get out of Candyland alive.

Also, if I remember right, the girl present for the mandingo fight seemed disgusted by what was taking place.

You mentioned the slave eaten by dogs... What is Django to do there? Attempt to save him and blow his cover as Schultz nearly did in trying to buy him? Django is "getting dirty" as he said. His priority is to save his wife, not to be a hero.
Being part of a family that does bad things doesn't mean you do bad things. Yes being complicit is pretty weak willed but again women had no rights back then and I don't think watching atrocities is the same as committing them. I don't think she deserved death but at that point Django was the Vader to his dead master Obi Wan.

Candie's sister seemed disgusted at dinner. The girl at the Mandingo fight was complicit like Candie's sister. They both were complicit to the horrors to live better lives.

So Django's priority is to let other innocents die for his wife and you judge Candie's sister negatively? Shultz seemed pretty disgusted it came to that and got revenge on the perpetrator that cost him his own life. Django showed no remorse and just became what he detested at the end. Their little charade was also discovered so that man's death held literally no weight in the end and lays solely at Django's feet.

This is all a silly argument that would never have been brought up if the movie didnt become stupid the last 20 minutes.

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She did nothing whatsoever. She simply wanted rightful retribution. Her brother was murdered for no reason. Django shot up her people and her house. It wasn't even really her idea to send him with the Aussies. It was made clear the idea was planted in her head.
Don't be so sure that she is so innocent. After Stephen and Calvin have their side conversation, they return to the room to toy with Schultz and Django. At no point, according to my memory, do either of them leave the dining room until the bloody resolution.

Calvin, in a very circular and overly colorful way, asks his sister to excuse herself. She leaves. Then minutes later, Butch is next room, armed to the teeth and knowing exactly who to point his guns at. Who communicated what to Butch when? I have my theory.

That to me shows Calvin and his sister had a code worked out, and she was every bit as involved in his "business" as Butch and all his underlings.

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Doesn't matter if the idea was planted in her head, she still agreed with it.

When she did that, she got her hands dirty as well.
It was that or kill him. Both very much in her right.

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Don't be so sure that she is so innocent. After Stephen and Calvin have their side conversation, they return to the room to toy with Schultz and Django. At no point, according to my memory, do either of them leave the dining room until the bloody resolution.

Calvin, in a very circular and overly colorful way, asks his sister to excuse herself. She leaves. Then minutes later, Butch is next room, armed to the teeth and knowing exactly who to point his guns at. Who communicated what to Butch when? I have my theory.

That to me shows Calvin and his sister had a code worked out, and she was every bit as involved in his "business" as Butch and all his underlings.
You do realize that Schultz and Django were the ones who lied right? That the entire situation was their fault right? That Candie and his men had no idea of their exact intentions and that both men were armed and that Candie had the right, on his property, to hold them at gun point? He could have shot them, but didn't.

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Wow. This argument is still going on.

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She did nothing whatsoever.
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Don't be so sure that she is so innocent. After Stephen and Calvin have their side conversation, they return to the room to toy with Schultz and Django. At no point, according to my memory, do either of them leave the dining room until the bloody resolution.

Calvin, in a very circular and overly colorful way, asks his sister to excuse herself. She leaves. Then minutes later, Butch is next room, armed to the teeth and knowing exactly who to point his guns at. Who communicated what to Butch when? I have my theory.

That to me shows Calvin and his sister had a code worked out, and she was every bit as involved in his "business" as Butch and all his underlings.
I don't know why I'm jumping into this, but I am all the same. Stephen and/or Calvin could easily have just told Butch what to do in between their library scene and their return to Schultz & Django in the dining room. Seems the simplest and most likely possibility to me.

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Candie's sister seemed disgusted at dinner.
Please. She was "disgusted" that Candie was showing Hilde's scars at the dinner table. That's all.

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Schultz was disgusted because he wasn't used to it. Django...being a slave and all...saw that type of stuff all the time.

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I'm not sure we're meant to know the full extent of Lara's complicity, though she arranges for Django to be sent to the mine after Schultz kills Calvin. I took the idea (or one of them) of Django killing her to be the way vengeance can turn the avengers into monsters no matter how justified the anger, simply because of the nature of revenge. Or how "Django goes from purified by his victimization to stained by his rage," as Walter Chaw puts it. Also, he couldn't risk Lara coming after him and Hildy after he blew up the house. After all, if Schultz had just swallowed his hatred and shaken Candie's hand, he, Django and Hildy would have just walked out of there scott free.

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Did people miss the part about how it was the sister's idea to send django to the certain death mining camp? The way they talked about it it seemed more like a death camp than work camp. The fact they thought that would be worst for djando than losing his nuts says a lot about that place.

Also Django is an anti-hero just like most of the spaghetti western heroes were, he wasn't playing the black John wayne. It was obvious both him and schultz were.

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Candie's sister getting blown backwards got a big laugh from my theater. It isn't meant to be serious just like shotguns don't actually blow people through the air and destroiy bookshelves. Come on, its a movie. A ridiculous over-the-top movie about a slave getting vengeance on the evil white man. It is a good time. Pull the stick out of your ass and have a good time.

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