All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Project862006]

Originally Posted by Smallville13

Mark Millar 7 months ago:

"A pal of mine is good friends with the new Justice League screenwriter and said his take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They’re great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an Avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn’t what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too, so I feel this is in really good hands."

Gangster Squad is currently 44% on Rottentomatoes, and it's this Will Bealls only credit.

people liked the script it is the reason it got guys like brolin,penn,and gosling script was on the blacklist

[HighFivingMF]

Originally Posted by Smallville13

Gangster Squad is currently 44% on Rottentomatoes, and it's this Will Bealls only credit.

I haven't been following it much. But it seems like Ruben Fleischer is getting the majority of the blame for what people didn't like.

[Smallville13]

Still it seems odd that WB would hand the keys to their major film (that so much depends on) to someone who didn't even have a single film under his belt at the time.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by ElDuderino

Yeah, well, if we ignore the facts as we know them, then I guess your opinion holds up.

Yeah...you're right...directors, producers, and other Hollywood types always speak in facts. Probably should trust them. I'm sure Peter Jackson had to beg Warner Bros to make a 3rd Hobbit Film.

"No Peter Jackson! We don't want to make money!"

We can agree to disagree.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by Project862006

people liked the script it is the reason it got guys like brolin,penn,and gosling script was on the blacklist

The previously Justice League script, JLM was also on the blacklist. That script is awful.

[STARMAN]

I want to get to the point where there's new MOS news every week.

[ElDuderino]

Originally Posted by Project862006

people liked the script it is the reason it got guys like brolin,penn,and gosling script was on the blacklist

That's what I was thinking. Gosling doesn't do a movie unless it has a good script. Regardless, Millar's quote is hardly what you'd expect to hear if it was "soulless". LOL.

Originally Posted by Showtime

Yeah...you're right...directors, producers, and other Hollywood types always speak in facts. Probably should trust them. I'm sure Peter Jackson had to beg Warner Bros to make a 3rd Hobbit Film.

"No Peter Jackson! We don't want to make money!"

We can agree to disagree.

Random internet opinions that ignore facts as we know them tend to be much more based in truth.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by STARMAN

I want to get to the point where there's new MOS news every week.

The good news is we will eventually.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by ElDuderino

Random internet opinions that ignore facts as we know them tend to be much more based in truth.

I just prefer to try and do my own thinking and attempt to read between the lines. Remember when Zack Snyder said Zod wasn't in Man Of Steel?

[ElDuderino]

Originally Posted by Showtime

I just prefer to try and do my own thinking and attempt to read between the lines. Remember when Zack Snyder said Zod wasn't in Man Of Steel?

Making up your own version of history is fun, I guess.

If your point was that directors lie when keeping plot points secret, I wouldn't have taken issue. But that wasn't your point.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Showtime

I just prefer to try and do my own thinking and attempt to read between the lines. Remember when Zack Snyder said Zod wasn't in Man Of Steel?

That was just weird and... dumb? The official news had already revealed him as the villain long before that. That was just a strange move from Snyder. Wasnt it?

[Midnight Black]

Originally Posted by herolee10

well since he typed the word "apart", if you look at its definition on any given dictionary, it means that MOS won't be within the world that the JLA is creating.

I know it was misused. Not your fault, but his. However, the context of the sentence and the stories on SHH etc. indicated that it would be a shared universe and setup JL.

Nothing big though.

Originally Posted by Lone

A bright object illuminates the night sky over Metropolis as it plummets towards ground. Superman pierces through the clouds to intercept. He catches the object in his arms. It's a man. Beaten and bloodied, pulsating with an otherworldly GREEN glow.

SUPERMAN
(wary)
Who are you? Where did you come from?

GREEN LANTERN/HAL JORDAN
(strained)
...Green Lantern...Sector...2814
...Apokolips...is...coming...

Yes and yes. I could dig this.

[ElDuderino]

Originally Posted by Rust

That was just weird and... dumb? The official news had already revealed him as the villain long before that. That was just a strange move from Snyder. Wasnt it?

Hadn't Shannon even talked about it at that point? He very well could have been just saying absurd things so people would stop asking him about it.

[STARMAN]

I think some of these directors are copying Nolan too much. Just because Nolan keeps everything a secret doesn't mean every movie has to be classified Top Secret. I don't expect a director to reveal the exact plot points or spoil the ending. But you can admit who the villian is. It won't harm the movie.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by ElDuderino

Making up your own version of history is fun, I guess.

Believing everything you're told because you want to believe it is just as fun I guess?

If your point was that directors lie when keeping plot points secret, I wouldn't have taken issue. But that wasn't your point.

My point was that people in Hollywood don't always tell the truth. Seemed pretty clear to me.

As I said, we can agree to disagree. I don't want to continue to clog this thread with our thoughts on Hobbit.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by ElDuderino

Hadn't Shannon even talked about it at that point?

Well, he dodged it at the CC-presentation, but also some time before Shannon spoke about it, I think.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by Rust

That was just weird and... dumb? The official news had already revealed him as the villain long before that. That was just a strange move from Snyder. Wasnt it?

I thought it was. It's not really a plot point you're hiding. It's not as if we're going to discover that Zod sees dead people. It was an odd move.

[STARMAN]

I think the Hollywood Reporter was the first one to break the news about Zod soon after Snyder got the job.

I wonder why Vulture from NY mag doesn't talk about the movie anymore. He was the one that said the script was a mess and it was facing major third act issues. I guess his source doesn't have anything new to share.

[ConnorKon-El]

Originally Posted by STARMAN

I think the Hollywood Reporter was the first one to break the news about Zod soon after Snyder got the job.

I wonder why Vulture from NY mag doesn't talk about the movie anymore. He was the one that said the script was a mess and it was facing major third act issues. I guess his source doesn't have anything new to share.

SAY WHHHHHAT. Never read that article lol.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by ConnorKon-El

SAY WHHHHHAT. Never read that article lol.

Ahhh. I remember that.

I just checked out your blog. Pretty cool.

[STARMAN]

The two Vulture articles got alot of attention at the time. Negative attention. A couple of days after Snyder was hired they posted an article saying the script was rushed and was a mess. Then around FEB 2011 they said the studio wasn't happy with Snyder because Sucker Punch tested terribly with test audiences. That same article said MOS was facing major third act issues. Who knows if any of that was true. I wouldn't be surprised about Sucker Punch testing badly because it was a bad movie.

In some ways, that Feb 2011 Vulture article was the last time I heard something negative about the movie. Maybe they did have third act issues and rewrites fixed them up.

[ConnorKon-El]

Originally Posted by Showtime

Ahhh. I remember that.

I just checked out your blog. Pretty cool.

My blog ?

And we aren't even sure if the vulture article had any truth to it. Maybe the script had a "meh" third act. But that's what re-writes are for lol.

[STARMAN]

The Vulture article is old news. I only brought it up to highlight the fact that Vulture's scoops about MOS all occured before the movie filmed. Haven't heard a thing from him even during filming.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by ConnorKon-El

My blog ?

And we aren't even sure if the vulture article had any truth to it. Maybe the script had a "meh" third act. But that's what re-writes are for lol.

I think Latino Review might have mentioned script issues either on twitter or otherwise, but no, doesn't mean there actually were. Who knows what that guys agenda was.

Your tumblr site?

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by STARMAN

The two Vulture articles got alot of attention at the time. Negative attention. A couple of days after Snyder was hired they posted an article saying the script was rushed and was a mess. Then around FEB 2011 they said the studio wasn't happy with Snyder because Sucker Punch tested terribly with test audiences. That same article said MOS was facing major third act issues. Who knows if any of that was true. I wouldn't be surprised about Sucker Punch testing badly because it was a bad movie.

In some ways, that Feb 2011 Vulture article was the last time I heard something negative about the movie. Maybe they did have third act issues and rewrites fixed them up.

I personally dont think it matters if that was indeed true. Bad scripts sometimes equal good movies and vice versa.