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Old 03-31-2013, 05:37 PM   #526
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I understand the desire to believe that there's a much larger scheme at work with what we have so far but I don't think there's any substantial or compelling evidence to believe the mind gem was in Loki's staff. I feel much the same way about the theory that Loki deliberately allowed himself to be imprisoned in order to be close to the Gauntlet. If the gem in the staff is the mind gem, then it has suffered from the type of retooling that is usually bemoaned around these parts. There are three separate instances in the film where they make it clear the staff's power comes from the cube: Cap mentions it handling like a HYDRA weapon, Fury explicitly stating it's powered by the cube and Banner saying its energy readings are consistent with the cube's own.

It seems to me that the theory only really holds water if you assume the film is actively feeding you misinformation, which seems highly unlikely. I don't think Whedon would go to such lengths to establish the origins of the staff's power if it was part of a bigger story in the future with a completely different mythology.

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the staff theory is almost a year old and nothing new. if it really is the gem, we will find out in maybe two or three years. but it is very likely given the staffs power.

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I've only been a member since Jan of this year so I probably am late with that one lol
But about the staff being powered by the cube I know they said it in the movie but I was just thinking Loki had the staff even before he had the cube and he was able to mind control Selvic and Hawkeye before he touched the cube. Think about it whatever power source the Chituri originally used to send Loki to where the cube was in the beginning would have the same signature as the cube. Maybe in the MCU they're trying to set up that the Tesseract and the IG came from the same being/power etc. And it is very possible that the IG is in Odin's vault minus all of the gems. It could just so happen that Thanos already had the Mind Gem and the Space Gem(allowing him to send Loki to the cube and allowing Loki to travel to the Chituri in space) already. It was never explained how the Chituri summoned Loki. It was presumed to be by the staff but what if it was through the use of the Space Gem. This is all speculation of course but Whedon did say he had to have Thanos be behind it all.

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I don't think Odin has any of the gems; they're probably spread out across the galaxy. They're probably the focus of GOTG.

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That seems most likely. Although Odin could have one and we see the team cameo at the end credits.

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Found this while browsing, looks like we gonna have a new Tony Stark~

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I understand the desire to believe that there's a much larger scheme at work with what we have so far but I don't think there's any substantial or compelling evidence to believe the mind gem was in Loki's staff. I feel much the same way about the theory that Loki deliberately allowed himself to be imprisoned in order to be close to the Gauntlet. If the gem in the staff is the mind gem, then it has suffered from the type of retooling that is usually bemoaned around these parts. There are three separate instances in the film where they make it clear the staff's power comes from the cube: Cap mentions it handling like a HYDRA weapon, Fury explicitly stating it's powered by the cube and Banner saying its energy readings are consistent with the cube's own.

It seems to me that the theory only really holds water if you assume the film is actively feeding you misinformation, which seems highly unlikely. I don't think Whedon would go to such lengths to establish the origins of the staff's power if it was part of a bigger story in the future with a completely different mythology.
QFT.

The Avengers specifically states that the Staff is powered by the Cube; ergo: no Mind Gem. And that Staff was woefully hit-or-miss, anyway --- I don't think the Mind Gem would've been so weak/lame that it couldn't have possessed Tony Stark or Steve Rogers, let alone some random old geezer in the crowd at Stuttgart.

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QFT.

The Avengers specifically states that the Staff is powered by the Cube; ergo: no Mind Gem. And that Staff was woefully hit-or-miss, anyway --- I don't think the Mind Gem would've been so weak/lame that it couldn't have possessed Tony Stark or Steve Rogers, let alone some random old geezer in the crowd at Stuttgart.
Loki never even tried to possess Cap or the old guy.

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Loki never even tried to possess Cap or the old guy.
He used the staff to command every one there to kneel. It was implied that the staff's magic was bending them to his will. And yet Cap, Tony, and Random Old Guy made their saving throws. Doesn't bespeak high-level magic there.

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Seemed to me he had them kneel by threat, hence the yelling from Loki and looks of fear and confusion by the people.

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Yeah, he didn't use the staff to make them kneel. If that were the case, he wouldn't have needed the different magical versions of himself to keep them from running away, nor would he have screamed like he did just to get them to listen.

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He used the staff to command every one there to kneel. It was implied that the staff's magic was bending them to his will. And yet Cap, Tony, and Random Old Guy made their saving throws. Doesn't bespeak high-level magic there.
It wasn't the staff that made them kneel. He had them surrounded with his doubles and some kind of blue energy beam then basically screamed at them kneel ..... remember the old guy stood up to him.

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QFT.

The Avengers specifically states that the Staff is powered by the Cube; ergo: no Mind Gem. And that Staff was woefully hit-or-miss, anyway --- I don't think the Mind Gem would've been so weak/lame that it couldn't have possessed Tony Stark or Steve Rogers, let alone some random old geezer in the crowd at Stuttgart.
If I remember correctly they talked about the scepter having the same energy signature as the cube. Which in that case it would be appropriate that they mistook the scepter as being powered by the cube because if you think about it, how could the scepter be powered by the cube when Loki had it and used it before he got the cube. It makes more sense that whatever powered the scepter is similar to the cube

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If I remember correctly they talked about the scepter having the same energy signature as the cube. Which in that case it would be appropriate that they mistook the scepter as being powered by the cube because if you think about it, how could the scepter be powered by the cube when Loki had it and used it before he got the cube. It makes more sense that whatever powered the scepter is similar to the cube
Doesn't mean it's the Mind Gem. The Infinity Gems don't have anything at all to do with the Cosmic Cube.

And the Gauntlet is film canon --- it officially appears in Thor. Not a deleted scene at all, after all: it's in the actual movie. So the Gems have already been gathered and mounted on the Gauntlet. All that remains is for Thanos to steal/recover the glove from Asgard.

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Doesn't mean it's the Mind Gem. The Infinity Gems don't have anything at all to do with the Cosmic Cube.

And the Gauntlet is film canon --- it officially appears in Thor. Not a deleted scene at all, after all: it's in the actual movie. So the Gems have already been gathered and mounted on the Gauntlet. All that remains is for Thanos to steal/recover the glove from Asgard.
Just because they don't in the comics doesn't mean they can't change that for the movies
And we haven't seen the Gauntlet up close to see if all the gems are in there or not

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Seemed to me he had them kneel by threat, hence the yelling from Loki and looks of fear and confusion by the people.
Exactly. Why would he use mind control to make people to kneel to him? He pretty much went on a monologue explaining to everyone why they want to kneel. He wanted them to kneel on their own.

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all the gems could be powered (wirelessly hehe) by the cube. and that's why the cube is so important. maybe the gems are the only items that can properly utilise the cube's power? maybe the gems indivudually are quite weak (would explain the staff's lack of GENUINE power).

all speculation, I don't think it was the mind gem. nor do I think thanos would 'lend' it to loki.

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And we haven't seen the Gauntlet up close to see if all the gems are in there or not
Oh, they're all there.




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all speculation, I don't think it was the mind gem. nor do I think thanos would 'lend' it to loki.
Good theory. That might be another reason Thanos would want the Cube to go back to Asgard, if it's a key to activating the Gauntlet itself.

And you're absolutely right about Thanos not handing out Infinity Gems like candy. If the Gems are separate, and Thanos already has one or more of them, he *sure* as hell isn't about to start passing them out to underlings.

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April 2 isn't April Fools' Day: April 1st is.
If you're the one trying to prank: day late and a dollar short. If you're the one who fell for this: try checking the source link of any rumor you spot on the internet. (Hint: APRIL FOOLS)

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I'm News Editor for that site... It was an April Fools joke lol, but it went pretty viral on the site (with over 400 comments as of today) and on the net. with tons of people believing it.

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