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Old 03-11-2014, 09:04 PM   #301
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I'll admit I'm not real up on the latest celebrities, but are these 'big names' like they said they were looking for for Doom?

No.

What the heck these guys are up for Dr Doom?

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Oh, come on. You make magic armor out of your childhood sweetheart's skin ONE TIME and they never let you forget it.

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I didn't say he was nice.
So, why is Doom looking nice a benefit? Even before the accident, Victor Von Doom was mean to strangers and talked to everyone as if they were idiots. Him looking happy and nice under cuts that and makes it hard to take him seriously! I'd rather he look sinister than like a Weasley brother!!!!

Oh, wait...he played Ron Weasley's brother.......

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Oh, come on. You make magic armor out of your childhood sweetheart's skin ONE TIME and they never let you forget it.
Or put spells on people's children that you name after said sweetheart that you made a skin armor out of. But who is counting?

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So, why is Doom looking nice a benefit? Even before the accident, Victor Von Doom was mean to strangers and talked to everyone as if they were idiots. Him looking happy and nice under cuts that and makes it hard to take him seriously! I'd rather he look sinister than like a Weasley brother!!!!
It doesn't undercut it, it emphasizes it. The face of an angel, the heart of the devil. It's pretty classic contrast. Contrast like that is a very basic and effective way of making a character more interesting.. A bad guy who looks and carries himself like a bad guy is boring. A bad guy who looks and carries himself like a good guy is engaging.

Besides, if he always looked like a sinister monster, it kind of makes the whole thing of him becoming horribly scarred and hiding his deformity behind a frightening metal mask a little pointless.

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It doesn't undercut it, it emphasizes it. The face of an angel, the heart of the devil. It's pretty classic contrast. Contrast like that is a very basic and effective way of making a character interesting and engaging. A bad guy who looks and carries himself like a bad guy is boring. A bad guy who looks and carries himself like a good guy is engaging.

Besides, if he always looked like a sinister monster, it kind of makes the whole thing of him becoming horribly scarred and hiding his deformity behind a frightening metal mask a little pointless.
That would be ok, if you were writing a movie about 4 people and a villain that no one knew anything about and had not read about for over 50 years. But you aren't....what you described IS NOT DOOM. Plain and simple. Doom does not give a crap about being engaging.

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That would be ok, if you were writing a movie about 4 people and a villain that no one knew anything about and had not read about for over 50 years. But you aren't....what you described IS NOT DOOM. Plain and simple. Doom does not give a crap about being engaging.
I wasn't talking about Doom's motivations. I was talking about the director and the actor making the character engaging for the audience.

And how is what I described not Doom? Back in college he was a handsome and well liked guy, but the whole time he had this terrible darkness inside of him. Now, years later, that darkness has come to the surface as a horrible destructive and dominating force.

Having him seem nice and charming and affable and generally good looking before he goes down the road that leads him to the Latverian throne is, I think, just as valid an interpretation of that arc as having him be some smoldering, sinister looking fellow. There's more than one way you can adapt a character that still stays true to what that character is about.

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It doesn't undercut it, it emphasizes it. The face of an angel, the heart of the devil. It's pretty classic contrast. Contrast like that is a very basic and effective way of making a character more interesting.. A bad guy who looks and carries himself like a bad guy is boring. A bad guy who looks and carries himself like a good guy is engaging.

Besides, if he always looked like a sinister monster, it kind of makes the whole thing of him becoming horribly scarred and hiding his deformity behind a frightening metal mask a little pointless.
Doom DOES consider himsefl a good guy. But, he shouldn't look like a Weasley brother. That simply isn't Doom. Doom is CLEARLY a villain. He doesn't see it that way. THAT is Doom's contrast. He doesn't have an angel face, he has the face of a devil, but believes himself an angel.

Your idea works for other characters or other villains. However, that isn't Dr. Doom. The scars are not supposed to be some corruption of an angel or a revealing of his true nature. The scars are the result of his own arrogance. He doesn't even see the scars as his fault! It shows how blind he is!

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Doom DOES consider himsefl a good guy. But, he shouldn't look like a Weasley brother. That simply isn't Doom. Doom is CLEARLY a villain. He doesn't see it that way. THAT is Doom's contrast. He doesn't have an angel face, he has the face of a devil, but believes himself an angel.

Your idea works for other characters or other villains. However, that isn't Dr. Doom. The scars are not supposed to be some corruption of an angel or a revealing of his true nature. The scars are the result of his own arrogance. He doesn't even see the scars as his fault! It shows how blind he is!
I never said Doom didn't consider himself a good guy.

True, the scars are his own fault. But it's less of a poetic justice if he already looked villainous before he got the scars. He's supposed to be good looking before his accident. A good looking guy. Through his own hubris, he scars himself, and in doing so reveals a reflection of what he's really like underneath. I don't see how that doesn't count as Doom.

Plus, having Doom clearly and obviously be a villain based on his appearance before he has an accident is juts kind of dull. It gives everything away and it does the work of sorting through the information of the story for the audience when they should be doing it themselves. He looks like a good guy, carries himself like a good guy, and thinks he's a good guy, but he's not, and everything he does to realize the good person he sees himself as simply reveals his inner corruption more and more to the world. That's interesting, and I don't see how that isn't Doctor Doom.

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I wasn't talking about Doom's motivations. I was talking about the director and the actor making the character engaging for the audience.

And how is what I described not Doom? Back in college he was a handsome and well liked guy, but the whole time he had this terrible darkness inside of him. Now, years later, that darkness has come to the surface as a horrible destructive and dominating force.

Having him seem nice and charming and affable and generally good looking before he goes down the road that leads him to the Latverian throne is, I think, just as valid an interpretation of that arc as having him be some smoldering, sinister looking fellow. There's more than one way you can adapt a character that still stays true to what that character is about.
OK, I'll take your interpretation and it may come off well, but I don't see it as Doom....I see it as a villain that has been done 100's of times over the years. Next to the word Arrogant in the dictionary should be a picture of Doom, and I just don't see that in that particular actor in those choices. I do see it "possibly" in the first one...

Who knows....

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That would be ok, if you were writing a movie about 4 people and a villain that no one knew anything about and had not read about for over 50 years. But you aren't....what you described IS NOT DOOM. Plain and simple. Doom does not give a crap about being engaging.

the general audience don't know Doom.

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I never said Doom didn't consider himself a good guy.

True, the scars are his own fault. But it's less of a poetic justice if he already looked villainous before he got the scars. He's supposed to be good looking before his accident. A good looking guy. Through his own hubris, he scars himself, and in doing so reveals a reflection of what he's really like underneath. I don't see how that doesn't count as Doom.

Plus, having Doom clearly and obviously be a villain based on his appearance before he has an accident is juts kind of dull. It gives everything away and it does the work of sorting through the information of the story for the audience when they should be doing it themselves. He looks like a good guy, carries himself like a good guy, and thinks he's a good guy, but he's not, and everything he does to realize the good person he sees himself as simply reveals his inner corruption more and more to the world. That's interesting, and I don't see how that isn't Doctor Doom.
I'm just going to cut this debate short and say I don't agree. I see this becoming another argument of circles. I'm not biting this time. Suffice to say, my vision of Dr. Doom is not Ron Weasley's older brother.

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OK, I'll take your interpretation and it may come off well, but I don't see it as Doom....I see it as a villain that has been done 100's of times over the years. Next to the word Arrogant in the dictionary should be a picture of Doom, and I just don't see that in that particular actor in those choices. I do see it "possibly" in the first one...

Who knows....
I don't see how what I'm talking about precludes the character's arrogance. Arrogance is a quality of how people think and behave, it isn't a physical quality.

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I'm just going to cut this debate short and say I don't agree. I see this becoming another argument of circles. I'm not biting this time. Suffice to say, my vision of Dr. Doom is not Ron Weasley's older brother.
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Oh, I think an "air of arrogance" comes from within, and shows in appearance once it completely takes over, so we will have to agree to disagree with that one.

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Theo James should be Doom.

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Theo James should be Doom.
I could see that, and actually since we are going with a younger cast....I would have seen him as Reed as well.

Hell, lets take the whole cast of Divergent.....

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i was just kidding about James. i'm holding out for female Doom.

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Oh, I think an "air of arrogance" comes from within, and shows in appearance once it completely takes over, so we will have to agree to disagree with that one.
But it doesn't show in their actual physical appearance. It shows in how they behave. The structure of the person's face isn't really a factor.

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Agreeing to disagree.

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Agreeing to disagree.
I don't see how it's an agree to disagree thing. Either being arrogant actually changes your physical features or it doesn't. Biology isn't exactly subjective.

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I don't see how it's an agree to disagree thing. Either being arrogant actually changes your physical features or it doesn't. Biology isn't exactly subjective.
LOL...

I disagree, moving on. Really........ moving on.

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Hello everyone,

I dont post much but after seeing the casting possibilites for Dr. Doom, just wanted to say if it ends up as being Sam Riely, I think a lot of people will be surprised how well he performs in the role. He was amazing in the film Control, a biopic of Joy Division's front man Ian Curtis, truly amazing in the role. I truly believe he would knock this out of the park. But just my opinion!

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