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Old 01-31-2013, 09:08 PM   #576
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Watch the movie first before you jump on conclusion that the movie suck and is going to screw Charles' personal development.
Everybody here is jumping on conclusions, but because mine are different from yours then I am wrong?

Charles' personal development has already been screwed in First Class, and now I expect even less for him in DoFP. Probably he'll just spend 90% of the film in a coma.

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Everybody here is jumping on conclusions, but because mine are different from yours then I am wrong?

Charles' personal development has already been screwed in First Class, and now I expect even less for him in DoFP. Probably he'll just spend 90% of the film in a coma.
You are letting your emotion cloud your judgment. And even if this is film takes place in 80s, why would James McAvoy be in a coma? He's not even playing the Patrick Stewart's Professor X. I also don't see why a movie can be bad because of jumping 10 years after the last one. Its not like they are completely washing away all of the things that happened to Xavier in First Class by doing this 10-year jump.

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Everybody here is jumping on conclusions, but because mine are different from yours then I am wrong?

Charles' personal development has already been screwed in First Class, and now I expect even less for him in DoFP. Probably he'll just spend 90% of the film in a coma.
The news that the majority of this film takes place in the 70s (with McAvoy, Fassbender, etc.) actually indicates that the First Class characters will get the majority of the screen time. Xavier was the main character in First Class.

Therefore, he'll probably get the majority of the screen time.

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You are letting your emotion cloud your judgment. And even if this is film takes place in 80s, why would James McAvoy be in a coma? He's not even playing the Patrick Stewart's Professor X. I also don't see why a movie can be bad because of jumping 10 years after the last one. Its not like they are completely washing away all of the things that happened to Xavier in First Class by doing this 10-year jump.
In a way it kind of IS like they're completely washing away all of the things that happened to Charles. Eleven years is a bloody long time, long enough for him to have dealt with all his demons and be happy. Think of who you were 11 years ago; are you the exact same person? Are you still upset about that girl who broke your heart over a decade ago? Events that made you angry or broke your heart over a decade ago, how do you feel about them now? Eleven years is more than enough time for Charles to have dealt with his tragedies and moved on. Which is a real tragedy for the audience, because getting to see this impermeable figurehead in his darkest hour would have shed some light onto an otherwise pretty boring character (the Stewart version, that is). If Charles has gone full-blown dull-Charles, I'd like to know why. I'd like to see that his patience DOES have a limit. I'd like to see him angry at the unfairness that he gave everything only to lose everything.

I've always been well aware that it was highly unrealistic to hope for a film that dealt with the characters and their losses immediately post-Cuba. But I did expect to see some hints of their personal situations through dialogue that moved along the plot. Eleven (ELEVEN!!!) years later means that all that pain, not just for Charles but for ALL the characters who each had a lot of stuff to deal with by the end of First Class, is irrelevant. To that end, it feels like the events in First Class have become irrelevant save for the basic outline: Charles and Erik were buds, Charles and Raven were siblings. Key character things like Charles' paralysis was Erik's fault will probably never be mentioned again. I wouldn't be surprised if Cerebro 2.0 WAS built by Magneto and this fact is just kind of tossed out there in passing dialogue. "Oh yes, Magneto helped me build this in the 60s." Which considering how we last left things, is an awkward exposition.

Someone on here pointed out, the people who say "I'm done with this movie" are still gonna line up to see it. You're missing the point. We aren't just lurking on the board to tear down good news. This isn't IMDB. We're fans of FC who were hoping for a proper sequel and are upset by the news that seem so contrary to everything we were hoping for. Will we still go see the movie? Absolutely. Because despite our negative outlook, here is the actual truth: We want this movie to be good. We WANT to be proven wrong, and have that well-deserved XMFC2. And maybe, just maybe, we will be proven wrong. But we won't be able to have the final say until we see it. Until then, we speculate based on the information we have, which is the same information those excited about the movie have.

We are jumping to conclusions just like everyone else on this board. Just because a tiny handful of us aren't thrilled by the news doesn't mean our concerns should be dismissed.

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Eleven years is a long time but if the writers let the audience know what happened to Charles/Magneto/Mystique/Beast/ and the rest of the cast in those 11 years then I don't see anything wrong with it. Again, it depends on the writing.

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Eleven years is a long time but if the writers let the audience know what happened to Charles/Magneto/Mystique/Beast/ and the rest of the cast in those 11 years then I don't see anything wrong with it. Again, it depends on the writing.
The writing is in the hands of Simon Kinberg.
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In theory Singer is helping him write it but neither one exactly inspires hope.


How can you show a character walk through fire 10 years earlier? Not exactly a good candidate for exposition or dialogue. "Hey Prof, remember that time you were really depressed because your sister and Magneto left you crippled on a beach in Cuba and now you can't walk? Man that was rough."

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In a way it kind of IS like they're completely washing away all of the things that happened to Charles. Eleven years is a bloody long time, long enough for him to have dealt with all his demons and be happy. Think of who you were 11 years ago; are you the exact same person? Are you still upset about that girl who broke your heart over a decade ago? Events that made you angry or broke your heart over a decade ago, how do you feel about them now? Eleven years is more than enough time for Charles to have dealt with his tragedies and moved on. Which is a real tragedy for the audience, because getting to see this impermeable figurehead in his darkest hour would have shed some light onto an otherwise pretty boring character (the Stewart version, that is). If Charles has gone full-blown dull-Charles, I'd like to know why. I'd like to see that his patience DOES have a limit. I'd like to see him angry at the unfairness that he gave everything only to lose everything.
They can still show us Charles dealing with his demons. It all comes down to the writing. Since 11 years have past, a good/believable catalyst to bring up those darker feelings within Charles would be him meeting up Erik for the first time since Cuba. A decade later, interacting with the guy that crippled him. That's the perfect opportunity for the character to get some things of his chest.

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Again, it depends on the writing and how they would develop Professor X's character. I have no confidence with Simon Kinberg but since Bryan Singer is giving the script a lot of his treatments then we might get a good script. And they don't have to show every moment/detail that happened to his life to come up with a good story on what happened in the last 11 years, if the delivery is good.

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The writing is in the hands of Simon Kinberg.
Simon.
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In theory Singer is helping him write it but neither one exactly inspires hope.
I'm confused as to why they would rehire him in the first place. Kinberg, I mean.

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I'm confused as to why they would rehire him in the first place. Kinberg, I mean.
He co-produced First Class, thats why. For me, X3 sucked because of him. I just hope the dialogues of this movie wouldn't be end as cheesy as X3's lines.

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X3 isn't his fault, they just fast tracked his screenplay. X3 didn't get the same level of rewrite attention as X1 and 2. Not to mention the studio meddling that comes with having a pushover director.

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X3 isn't his fault, they just fast tracked his screenplay. X3 didn't get the same level of rewrite attention as X1 and 2. Not to mention the studio meddling that comes with having a pushover director.
Even if none of the blame lies with Kinberg for X3 (which I don't believe), his track record isn't doing him any favors.

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A lot of the people involved with First Class and X2 were also involved in X3. Sometimes a movie just sucks. In X2 and First Class there was a focus and union of vision. X3 was all about making money. It was a 'just cause' sequel, there was no creative merit to it whatsoever. It basically ignored X1 and 2 tonally, ignored set up plot points and made ridiculous plot decisions in a completely callous nature. Killing Xavier and Cyclops was apparently 'bold and powerful' when in actuality, it was shallow and meaningless. What had been a great, character driven superhero movie series was basically turned into a Soap Opera. You can't blame a single writer for that because big budget blockbusters always turn into melodrama farce when there is no love for the film or creative unison.

That's why you get a movie like Avengers as a success, with producers who are respectful of the franchise and a director with love for the characters, and a movie like Wolverine as a stinker, because you have producers milking the cash cow and a director nodding his head and doing what he's told.

Singer commands more respect in his films and has more love for the X-Films than Ratner did. Even if Kinberg shoots out a stinker of a script, Singer won't let anything subpar into his film.

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X3 isn't his fault, they just fast tracked his screenplay. X3 didn't get the same level of rewrite attention as X1 and 2. Not to mention the studio meddling that comes with having a pushover director.
That didn't stop him for writing cheesey dialogues and the way some of the villains were beaten were not good and you can't blame FOX for pushing the cure for those things. Give X3 to a writer w/ a better resume and the movie could have been so much better. I'm not blaming Zak Penn since he worked in X2 and The Avengers.

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Kinberg also did uncredited polish work on First Class.

Matthew Vaughn wrote screenplay with Kinberg with Kinberg apparently doing polishing under Singer's supervision.

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Yeah, Kinberg was basically the on set script doctor for First Class.

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Kinberg also did uncredited polish work on First Class.

Matthew Vaughn wrote screenplay with Kinberg with Kinberg apparently doing polishing under Singer's supervision.
I read that he was the one who rewrote the scene where the Inception-fight scene was supposed to take place. And look how easy for Professor X and Magneto to take down Emma Frost.

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Magneto and Xavier should be able to beat Emma Frost easily. One she can handle. Both? Not a chance.

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Magneto and Xavier should be able to beat Emma Frost easily. One she can handle. Both? Not a chance.
Yes but not by a single push or grabbing her arms, the scene could have been longer and better. That scene also made Emma look weak.

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That didn't stop him for writing cheesey dialogues and the way some of the villains were beaten were not good and you can't blame FOX for pushing the cure for those things. Give X3 to a writer w/ a better resume and the movie could have been so much better. I'm not blaming Zak Penn since he worked in X2 and The Avengers.
He only got story credits for both of those. Other Zak Penn works where he actually got full screenwriting credit include: Elektra, Inspector Gadget, Suspect Zero, The Grand, and more crap.

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Lauren Shueller Donnor said some rewrites was necssary to get first Class made on budget.

In films It often Is director's who make or break final result.Kinberg also was writer of box office hits Mr and Mrs Smith and Sherlock holmes.Zack Penn's work on popular films was always rewritten by others.He got story credit On X2 but only because Bryan Singer decided to take a few ideas of his and have david hayter Incorprate them.Hayter,Michael Dougherty,and dan Harris are writers who deserve credit for X2.Edward Norton rewrote the Incredible hulk and Joss whedon completly rewrote the
Avengers.Joss whedon Is reason we got any 616 elements In Avengers.Susposly Penn's draft was even more based on the Ultimates.

And many are forgetting Matthew Vaughn wrote treatment and according to Mark Millar wrote script with Kinberg,and apparently now did polishing after Bryan took over as director.

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That scene with Emma was great. It wasn't about having a fight scene just for the sake of it, it was 1) To show off Emma's personality (was probably the only scene that really showed her true feelings on something) and 2)To show the contrast between Erik and Charle's morals.

Crowbarring a special effects fight scene in there just for the sake of it sounds more like something that WOULD have been in X3, so if Kinberg toned that scene down, I'd say that's a good thing.

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X3 was all about making money. It was a 'just cause' sequel, there was no creative merit to it whatsoever. It basically ignored X1 and 2 tonally, ignored set up plot points and made ridiculous plot decisions in a completely callous nature. Killing Xavier and Cyclops was apparently 'bold and powerful' when in actuality, it was shallow and meaningless. What had been a great, character driven superhero movie series was basically turned into a Soap Opera. You can't blame a single writer for that because big budget blockbusters always turn into melodrama farce when there is no love for the film or creative union.


No. Just no.

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That didn't stop him for writing cheesey dialogues and the way some of the villains were beaten were not good and you can't blame FOX for pushing the cure for those things. Give X3 to a writer w/ a better resume and the movie could have been so much better. I'm not blaming Zak Penn since he worked in X2 and The Avengers.
There's a reason that:
-Zak Penn no longer works on X-Men projects
-Zak Penn's draft of THE AVENGERS was basically jettisoned other than the basic story structure and was rewritten extensively by Joss Whedon
-Zak Penn hasn't had more success, and has not had several superhero scripts survive the first few drafts without extensive rewrites

Watch a movie written by Simon Kinberg, and then watch a movie Zak Penn worked on. You will start to recognize their writing styles. It's not Kinberg who wrote some of the "crap" in X3. Not that there's that much crap in X3. Most of the reason fanboys hate on X3 has to do with studio mandated creative decisions and stuff Matthew Vaughn wanted in there.

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That scene with Emma was great. It wasn't about having a fight scene just for the sake of it, it was 1) To show off Emma's personality (was probably the only scene that really showed her true feelings on something) and 2)To show the contrast between Erik and Charle's morals.

Crowbarring a special effects fight scene in there just for the sake of it sounds more like something that WOULD have been in X3, so if Kinberg toned that scene down, I'd say that's a good thing.
The thing is Emma didn't even tried to put up a fight with those two. She just tried to run away without kicking or punching one of them and she was still in diamond form, and earlier in the film, she was able to push Magneto out of the yacht by just 1 push.

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