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Old 02-01-2013, 12:04 AM   #601
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Well we also don't know when the telepathic battle would have taken place.

It could have been when they were on different ships.It may have been In General's room.emma may have been Intended to be In Cuba before budget reasons force them
to cut that Idea.

With Days of future past with Rothman gone and Bryan SInger and not Brett Ratner as
final director we are In totally different ballgame.

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No. Just no.
Yep, just yep.

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Old 02-01-2013, 12:33 AM   #603
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:35 AM   #604
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Hey, don't get me wrong. I can TOTALLY understand people defending and loving X3... Denial is a really powerful thing :P

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Yes but not by a single push or grabbing her arms, the scene could have been longer and better. That scene also made Emma look weak.
In the comics maybe, but January Jones doesn't exactly look tough

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That felt appropriate for Emma, to me. It felt like an origin for her too, anyway. The important thing was to get her character across which I think worked. She came across as a strong character who's learnt to act subordinate to get by. Seeing her looking bored while the KGB guy 'entertained' himself was great insight into her character. Sure she got beaten by Mags and Charles but she seemed so defiant that she really came off as a strong character to me. I can see her coming into play later on in a big way, taking over the Hellfire club or something.

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Agreed. The scene works, and I don't think having Emma throw a punch or two makes it much better, if at all, and I especially don't think that scene is a good example of why Simon Kinberg is or isn't a poor writer.

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In the comics maybe, but January Jones doesn't exactly look tough
She is still portraying Emma Frost whether January Jones looks innocent and shy. Her looks shouldn't be an excuse. That's like saying Rogue was weak in the movies because Anna Paquin doesn't look tough.

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It may well be that Kinberg writes crappy dialogue, I don't one way or the other, I just know how the writing process works for big films like that. It's standard to have like 4 different drafts and the studio will go to different people for different things. One guy might have a great rep for dialogue, one guy might be good with story pacing, one guy with crafting it around action set pieces etc.

So to blame an entire movie on one scriptwriter is just silly because in a collaborative process like film making, there are a lot of links in the chain that can get screwed up. Ultimately though, a Director is responsible for collating and looking at the whole picture and if you have a weak director, they're less likely to pick those things up or assert themselves, especially if they have no real creative vision. I think that's what happened with X3 and I think that's DEFINITELY what happened with Wolverine. I mean, Hood was basically usurped halfway through his own film by Richard Donner, he was totally out of his depth on that big studio flick, which is a shame because the parts of his film that remained largely in tact were the best bits (that being the opening credits and the brief, Wolverine in Canada with Silverfox bit.)

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Let's face it, there are many factors that make a sub-par/poor/crap film.

In X3, the dialogue was cheesy at times and the acting was worse than in X1 and X2 (although Rebecca still acted well as Mystique).

Even the acting from legends like McKellen and Stewart was worse, proving that great actors still need a good director to steer the ship. Same with Jackman. He's not perfect by any means - he needs good directing to get the best out of him and he's been in stinkers like Van Helsing. Some of these stars have so much ego, failing to realise that their talent on its own is not anywhere near enough to make a good movie.

I think some of the issues with X3 are definitely with the writing. As I said before, if the studio demanded that Cure storyline (which caused outrage among the gay community, much like when Apple allowed an iPhone app on how to cure homosexuality) then the writers should have found a better way to tie it in with the Phoenix, such as having it developed in response to the threat/destruction caused by Phoenix. If they can't think of simple, effective ideas like that, then God help us.

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I read that he was the one who rewrote the scene where the Inception-fight scene was supposed to take place. And look how easy for Professor X and Magneto to take down Emma Frost.
I think it was a bad idea to drop that fight scene. I'm sure other adjustments could have been made to accommodate it.

I'm expecting a similar fight scene to appear in DoFP instead, so let's hope they don't let us down this time.

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In a way it kind of IS like they're completely washing away all of the things that happened to Charles. Eleven years is a bloody long time, long enough for him to have dealt with all his demons and be happy. Think of who you were 11 years ago; are you the exact same person? Are you still upset about that girl who broke your heart over a decade ago? Events that made you angry or broke your heart over a decade ago, how do you feel about them now? Eleven years is more than enough time for Charles to have dealt with his tragedies and moved on.
Well, I think that plenty of people in real life actually do feel angry or upset about the events that happened 10 years or even decades ago. And so much fiction practically hinges on people not letting go of things - heck that kinda is what Erik's story in First Class was all about. By the above logic, it should then be a given that Erik would have dealt with his demons by his early 30s, but that wasn't even remotely the case. And Batman was mentioned some pages ago - well The Dark Knight Rises is a prime example of the hero Not Getting Over It.

And in Charles' case, he has to physically live with the consequences of what happened to him, so it's not exactly the same as living with a heartbreak over a girl. The original trilogy didn't explore Charles' paralysis, but there was still that small moment in X2 when Jason Stryker makes him think for a moment that he can walk again, and we can see Charles standing there with tears in his eyes. That to me does not suggest someone whose pain has completely gone away.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is entirely possible that the sequel might skip right to the saintly impenetrable Charles who is basically a young version of Patrick Stewart and which would be totally boring and disappointing. I just don't see why some people here think that now with the 11-year gap there's absolutely no option for the character but to do so.

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Even if Kinberg shoots out a stinker of a script, Singer won't let anything subpar into his film.
*cough* Lightning strikes the toad *cough*

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Let's face it, there are many factors that make a sub-par/poor/crap film.

In X3, the dialogue was cheesy at times and the acting was worse than in X1 and X2 (although Rebecca still acted well as Mystique).

Even the acting from legends like McKellen and Stewart was worse, proving that great actors still need a good director to steer the ship. Same with Jackman. He's not perfect by any means - he needs good directing to get the best out of him and he's been in stinkers like Van Helsing. Some of these stars have so much ego, failing to realise that their talent on its own is not anywhere near enough to make a good movie.

I think some of the issues with X3 are definitely with the writing. As I said before, if the studio demanded that Cure storyline (which caused outrage among the gay community, much like when Apple allowed an iPhone app on how to cure homosexuality) then the writers should have found a better way to tie it in with the Phoenix, such as having it developed in response to the threat/destruction caused by Phoenix. If they can't think of simple, effective ideas like that, then God help us.
I agree with everything.Although Famke was fabulous playing Phoenix,won a Saturn Award for her performance.

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I agree with everything.Although Famke was fabulous playing Phoenix,won a Saturn Award for her performance.
She did well as the version of Phoenix they wrote, but it wasn't really the perfect version of Phoenix: no firebird effect, no Cyclops, all that standing around at Alcatraz...

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*cough* Lightning strikes the toad *cough*
I always laugh when I remember that Joss Whedon is responsible for that line. =D

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You mean, all that standing around EVERYWHERE.

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Wait, so now Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart's acting was bad too in X3?:


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Not bad, but also not as fantastic as in the two first movies imo.

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Well they were given some stupid stuff to say...since the movie felt less serious, their roles felt less serious and in turn, their acting too.

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Wait, so now Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart's acting was bad too in X3?:


Not even they could save some of the horrible lines they were given.

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The returning actors did their best In Last Stand but they had to deal with script micromanaged by studio and last round of rewrites done to suit Brett Ratner who
apart from Red Dragon does films like Rush hour.

The dialogue of storm's mocked line to toad was brillent compared to last Stand.

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Omg don't remind me of that scene with Halle. "Oh, whoops, that's just me, good ol Storm, remindin the audience of what I can do...tee hee"

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Wait, so now Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart's acting was bad too in X3?:

And some people seem to forget that little conversation they had during the battle at Jean's house. Just as good, if not better, than the conversations they had in X1 and X2.

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I think the hate for X3 has more to do with its deviation from the source material than the quality of the film itself. I went back and rewatched it after Singer was announced for Days of Future Past and found it to be very entertaining, suspenseful and epic in the right moments. For 2006, the CG work looks terrific on bluray and I enjoyed the film as much as I did The Avengers.

I think if you can look past the changes made to the Phoenix, you get a pretty great summer blockbuster out of X3. I'd still prefer a longer film with all the footage excised restored in an extended cut some day.

I can't say I have any complaints with the acting as Stewart and McKellen were selling every line they spoke IMO. I could do without Dania Ramirez altogether though.

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Not even they could save some of the horrible lines they were given.

"I don't have to be psychic to know when somethings bothering you! "

"What have I done! "

Yep.

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And some people seem to forget that little conversation they had during the battle at Jean's house. Just as good, if not better, than the conversations they had in X1 and X2.
Or Ian McKellan`s speech to the other mutants in the cathedral.
That alone surpasses anything in x1 or x2.

I feel X3 doens`t get the credit it deserves.

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