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Old 01-31-2013, 07:12 AM   #351
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lol, WB are unpredictable.

Do we have a lounge thread, like Spidey fans have ?
Sadly we don't; hell we don't even have a "Spoilers Only" section/thread like TDKR had for their spoilers so that people can just go into that thread and just read up on what's been reported regarding the film.

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I'd say the complete opposite. Marvel holds a lot of stuff back from the trailers and the film is often bigger than expected.

That's why almost every Marvel film, including The Avengers, was written off by most people on this website at some stage.
They give away plenty in their campaigns(especially IM2). And with the exception of the Ironman films(which have pretty expository trailers) Most people do write off their films, you're right. Rightly so I'm afraid, looking at Thor and Cap's gross and remembering the films I'm not sure what else marvel could have shown that would have won the hearts and minds of the crowd.(Thor threw everything it had at us).

Of course we're talking PA(post avengers) now. Whedon's changed the entire perspective on marvel. IM3 is a sure thing again, Guardians of the Galaxy is more of a sure thing than JL, a TV show that promises more SHIELD of all things...I remember the perception of shield by the masses not but 2 years ago. Amazing really.

Films with Nolan's name on them are the ones that hold back.

So far with the exception of great photography and tone, MoS has shown much less than say Thor at the same time frame. I hope WB ramps it up. All things being equal, Cap made it's footage debut with the superbowl.

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lol; i made a bet about a week or two ago saying that I was confident that we wouldn't' be getting anything new of real good quality within the remainder of January, and lo and behold, someone from above must have heard it and decided to make Warner Bros. release those new batch of images not long after.haha
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Something I've been thinking about is how most superhero films stick to the same formula of a villain introduced and the hero ultimately coming out on top. I think TDK stands out because of the ending where Batman is vilified.

I think MOS can go it's own way with this and really explore Earth at first contact. The fear and hysteria involved. It's good that Superman lore already has the Daily Planet reporters ingrained in it to cover that angle.

The Avengers really did not go for the human angle. It felt like an externalized view on all the main events. And then they had a montage of the fallout with everyone happy for their new flying green rage monster hero. Same for like Thor. The events and just having those larger-than-life characters around seems completely inconsequential to the rest of the world.

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Something I've been thinking about is how most superhero films stick to the same formula of a villain introduced and the hero ultimately coming out on top. I think TDK stands out because of the ending where Batman is vilified.
I think Raimi covered this in a few forms with the Spiderman series.


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The Avengers really did not go for the human angle. It felt like an externalized view on all the main events. And then they had a montage of the fallout with everyone happy for their new flying green rage monster hero. Same for like Thor. The events and just having those larger-than-life characters around seems completely inconsequential to the rest of the world.
The first time the audience witnessed this sort of treatment of the hulk and people can't figure out what the magic formula was to making him work...

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Well, that definitely sounds like it would be in a Superman movie. If you're telling the truth, I appreciate that you've shared the info with me. Is that all that you know?
They are no longer together so I only know the scenes she filmed. I was never that close to her husband. I'm not even sure what will make the final cut.

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I think Raimi covered this in a few forms with the Spiderman series.
True yeah. Although he was very quickly accepted in the first movie. People may have been opposed to him but there was a montage straight away of people singing about him and stuff. Plus the whole thing with the Bugle constantly slamming him seemed to be played more for comedic purposes than serious. It's just the more comicbooky tone again though. It certainly wasn't how NY or the rest of the world would react if a superhero did show up.


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The first time the audience witnessed this sort of treatment of the hulk and people can't figure out what the magic formula was to making him work...
Not sure what you mean here.

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True yeah. Although he was very quickly accepted in the first movie. People may have been opposed to him but there was a montage straight away of people singing about him and stuff. Plus the whole thing with the Bugle constantly slamming him seemed to be played more for comedic purposes than serious. It's just the more comicbooky tone again though. It certainly wasn't how NY or the rest of the world would react if a superhero did show up.
It definitely was more "comicbooky" strangely enough it's simply another instance that nolan didn't do it first we often forget. Alot of heroes aren't celebrated in their respective films. From Hulk to Punisher to Blade to even Spiderman. Perhaps nolan just did it the best...or at least on the best stage.


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Sorry, I just noted that everyone always talks about the big strange miracle that is the Hulk working in Avengers and the actor playing him being the best one yet. The reality being there are a few things going on, that the executives really only have themselves to blame for. Such as Hulk being a big celebrated superhero in a movie for once.
Kids like that.

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The Avengers really did not go for the human angle. It felt like an externalized view on all the main events. And then they had a montage of the fallout with everyone happy for their new flying green rage monster hero. Same for like Thor. The events and just having those larger-than-life characters around seems completely inconsequential to the rest of the world.
The typical superhero paradigm presents an unusual protagonist (and possibly an unusual villain) set within a real and familiar context. I would suggest this is “classic” - and is the genre at its best and most accessible. So, start loading up on the heroes in an ensemble story, and then add an ensemble of supervillains - battling it out in a weird sci-fi/fantasy scenario - and there’s less and less of the real and familiar, less of the original archetypal elements that give the tales their charm. Recipe for failure.

The only problem with my insightful theory is the fact that Avengers made $1.5B.

So apparently, not going for the “human angle” and focusing on the fantastical can work very well.

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It definitely was more "comicbooky" strangely enough it's simply another instance that nolan didn't do it first we often forget. Alot of heroes aren't celebrated in their respective films. From Hulk to Punisher to Blade to even Spiderman. Perhaps nolan just did it the best...or at least on the best stage.
Well I'd say TDK had Batman willfully own responsibility of murders to coverup Dent. It's a lot more deeper having the protagonist take on a lie and sacrifice his own rep willingly for the 'greater good'. In comparison, J.J Jonah just hates Spider-Man...

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The typical superhero paradigm presents an unusual protagonist (and possibly an unusual villain) set within a real and familiar context. I would suggest this is “classic” - and is the genre at its best and most accessible. So, start loading up on the heroes in an ensemble story, and then add an ensemble of supervillains - battling it out in a weird sci-fi/fantasy scenario - and there’s less and less of the real and familiar, less of the original archetypal elements that give the tales their charm. Recipe for failure.

The only problem with my insightful theory is the fact that Avengers made $1.5B.

So apparently, not going for the “human angle” and focusing on the fantastical can work very well.
You're exactly right. And it's because of the more airy fairy tone of the Avengers that it actually made it work. Everything was just colorful, and explosions, and Hulk. People could already implant what they knew about the colorful characters from the previous Marvel films which deepened it immensely. Everything was already built and put in place for them to just play with. It's definitely a luxury JL won't have.

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Well I'd say TDK had Batman willfully own responsibility of murders to coverup Dent. It's a lot more deeper having the protagonist take on a lie and sacrifice his own rep willingly for the 'greater good'. In comparison, J.J Jonah just hates Spider-Man...
That's true. However in walking that plot line Nolan opened himself to one of the more discussed plot contrivances around.
(why not just blame joker..or any one else for dent).

I'm never a fan of this but after reading the novelization of SM2, I'd say Johah's hatred of spiderman is alot more grounded than simply that. If anything it's justified. In a little dinner scene between JJ and MJ and his son(her husband). JJ pretty much outlines the fact that Lawyers and their ilk don't get to wear masks, if they did their jobs would be alot easier.

It's an interesting point you make though. It could be argued that the fact that spidey didn't willingly choose to be hated makes his course a more tragic one. In a good spiderman movie, it's not just JJ that hates him.
I also forgot to mention the Xmen seem to be hated as well.

If the producers of MoS take a similar road with superman I hope they tread lightly, it's not really the way the character was conceived.

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(why not just blame joker..or any one else for dent).
Exactly.

And this is because he and his writers...they just didn't think some of the "dramatic" aspects of the franchise through very much.

Nolan kind of missed the whole point regarding Harvey Dent's eventual impact on Gotham City. Actually he kind of missed the whole point of "Two-Face".

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Non-MoS but Superman related, they released the trailer for Superman Unbound.

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Exactly.

And this is because he and his writers...they just didn't think some of the "dramatic" aspects of the franchise through very much.

Nolan kind of missed the whole point regarding Harvey Dent's eventual impact on Gotham City. Actually he kind of missed the whole point of "Two-Face".
In their defense(surprisingly), I would say that their intent was good(batman should be hated imo).

Also I think it marked a that sign producers were thinking of one film at a time as opposed to an entire list of episodes(ala marvel studios). Yielding one of the more coveted cbms around.

I agree that it showed a lack of thought. I'm not even sure Dent had two personalities, rather that he was just angry and short sighted. But, after begins I never really expected accurate characterization from Nolan's direction. Snyder on the other hand, I very much do.

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Someone explain to me how Superman Unbound is different from just another animated brainiac story?

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Someone explain to me how Superman Unbound is different from just another animated brainiac story?
The voices, the designs, the story, the source material, the runtime, the artwork on the cover, the release date, the crew, probably some more stuff.

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It's an actual adaption of Geoff Johns Superman: Brainiac instead of a spin off of the animated series...

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At first I wasn't sure if it was going to be good. Then, I saw how awesome Brainiac was in the trailer and now my interest level shot way up.

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I highly doubt MOS will have a higher quantity of action scenes than TDK. I'll believe it when I see it.
TDK was just as bland in its action as the other films in the series. Superman deserves more.

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Really? Last I checked TDK had like, 3 climaxes rolled into one movie. That thing just did not stop for the last hour. It's exhausting to watch it.
Exhausting for you, boring for me. Probably more so because all the released clips showcased all of the "action" (aside from the swat fight), so I went in expecting more and was disappointed. TDKR's trailers spoiled most of the action and neat things like the stadium and bridges collapsing, so nothing was a moment of "whoa".

I'd prefer if the next trailers for MoS show very little quite honestly; I want to go into a Superman film of all things and be awed.

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