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Old 02-03-2013, 03:27 AM   #76
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^^Someone earlier was talking about a sense of shame for not tipping. Those employers or whoever came up with the "let's pay waiters and waitresses jack @#$%" are the ones who should be ashamed.

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Old 02-03-2013, 03:38 AM   #77
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:18 AM   #78
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:50 AM   #79
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:09 AM   #80
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Why exactly is that? Seeing as you're posting on the the thing you hate.

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Quite a predicament he's gotten himself into here.

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This is stupid of this pastor trying to get fame with this because now people in restaurants know her face. Someone will spit in her food after seeing this, but that's probably happened already considering her attitude.
I didn't even think about that, good point. Hopefully somebody with something nice and virulent spits in her food next time.

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Old 02-03-2013, 11:56 AM   #83
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Do you honestly believe that waiters / waitresses make minimum wage???
I do, I know they do. They don't make anymore BECAUSE they make tips. That's where the saying "Living off their tips" comes from. That's also why its expected that they will go above and beyond to get that tip, because they need it.

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Wait, Nell thinks we're lying about that? Hell, some waiters get paid less than minimum wage.

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Why exactly is that? Seeing as you're posting on the the thing you hate.
A bunch of know it alls making accusations and demands on an anonymous forum, and then continue to attack attack attack when their target attempts to defend themselves.

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I do, I know they do. They don't make anymore BECAUSE they make tips. That's where the saying "Living off their tips" comes from. That's also why its expected that they will go above and beyond to get that tip, because they need it.
Servers don't make even minimum wage. That's my point. They make well below minimum wage.

You're grossly overestimating their income if you think they actually make minimum wage.

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Wait, Nell thinks we're lying about that? Hell, some waiters get paid less than minimum wage.
No, I don't think anyone is lying. I'm saying that the claim that servers make minimum wage is false because they make far less than that even.

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A bunch of know it alls making accusations and demands on an anonymous forum, and then continue to attack attack attack when their target attempts to defend themselves.

Internet: "YOU SHOULD BE FIRED"
Applebees: "*releases politically correct statement of facts of situation*"
Internet: "OMG FIRE YOURSELF YOU SUCK SO MUCH"
I don't see the problem.

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Old 02-03-2013, 12:16 PM   #87
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Wait, Nell thinks we're lying about that? Hell, some waiters get paid less than minimum wage.
Apparently?

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^^Someone earlier was talking about a sense of shame for not tipping. Those employers or whoever came up with the "let's pay waiters and waitresses jack @#$%" are the ones who should be ashamed.
I agree that the whole tipping system is dumb, but since it's all they have then, yes, a person ought to be ashamed for not leaving a tip.

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Old 02-03-2013, 02:02 PM   #89
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Apparently?
No?

You made the claim that people don't have to tip. You backed that up by saying that tips are extra on top of them making minimum wage.

My comment to you was asking if you truly believe that servers make minimum wage. Because servers do not make minimum wage. They make an hourly rate a very significant amount below minimum wage. Tips are not an "extra". Tips are really their sole source of income. Not an "added bonus" as your post made it out to be.

So while technically, you are correct, a person does not have to tip, by doing so that person has pretty much worked for an hour for free. Under certain circumstances, if a customer does not tip, the server can even lose money by waiting on that table.

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I've heard how servers get paid below minimum wage before tips before. How exactly is that legal? If a server doesn't receive enough tips during their shift to push their pay rate up to minimum wage, then isn't their employer breaking the law by paying them too little?

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^^Someone earlier was talking about a sense of shame for not tipping. Those employers or whoever came up with the "let's pay waiters and waitresses jack @#$%" are the ones who should be ashamed.
Absolutely agreed, but we should still conscious of this fact and tip them for their work. I would like to have a word with that pastor. I'm far from godly, but writing that on the ticket like she was some saint and justifying her stupidity with her tithing makes me

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No?

You made the claim that people don't have to tip. You backed that up by saying that tips are extra on top of them making minimum wage.

My comment to you was asking if you truly believe that servers make minimum wage. Because servers do not make minimum wage. They make an hourly rate a very significant amount below minimum wage. Tips are not an "extra". Tips are really their sole source of income. Not an "added bonus" as your post made it out to be.

So while technically, you are correct, a person does not have to tip, by doing so that person has pretty much worked for an hour for free. Under certain circumstances, if a customer does not tip, the server can even lose money by waiting on that table.
Minimum wage is called minimum wage for a reason! It's the minimum a person can make, and it's also the law that you make at least that much.

My point was that nobody has to tip. Should everyone? Yes probably, but not everyone does, or will. Do I? Yes, always.

It's a moral rule, not a mandated rule.

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Old 02-04-2013, 08:27 AM   #93
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I haven't been a server since 08 and that was in Ohio. The minimum wage for servers there and at that time was less than $4 if i remember correctly. It was almost exactly half of what non-tipping minimum wage was. Unless something has changed, there are two legally different minimum wages

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Minimum wage is called minimum wage for a reason! It's the minimum a person can make, and it's also the law that you make at least that much.

My point was that nobody has to tip. Should everyone? Yes probably, but not everyone does, or will. Do I? Yes, always.

It's a moral rule, not a mandated rule.
Many servers make less than minimum wage, due to tips. That's the only reason it's legal. Restaurants and whatnot are allowed to pay less than minimum wage, since it's expected the servers will make up the difference in tips. So, in many cases, servers need tips just to bring their wages up to what other people make in minimum.

I had a similar situation in a previous job. It wasn't in serving, but it was commission based. My base wage was $2 less per hour than minimum wage, but it was expected that my commission earnings would make up the difference.

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Minimum wage is called minimum wage for a reason! It's the minimum a person can make, and it's also the law that you make at least that much.

My point was that nobody has to tip. Should everyone? Yes probably, but not everyone does, or will. Do I? Yes, always.

It's a moral rule, not a mandated rule.
The minimum wage where I live is $7.50 per hour.

Servers where I live make $2.13 an hour.

That's less than half of the minimum wage.

So we still talking about how servers make minimum wage?

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The minimum wage where I live is $7.50 per hour.

Servers where I live make $2.13 an hour.

That's less than half of the minimum wage.

So we still talking about how servers make minimum wage?
That raises a good point. In many jurisdictions, employers are allowed to deduct expected tips from the hourly wage a server works, so if a server is already being paid minimum wage, then that crap you described happens.

So if for those reading don't tip, or don't "believe in tipping" (whatever the **** that means) you are a total ****. If you can't afford it or don't like spending the money, don't eat out, it's as simple as that.

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If people stopped doing things they couldn't afford, the economy would literally implode on itself.

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The minimum wage where I live is $7.50 per hour.

Servers where I live make $2.13 an hour.

That's less than half of the minimum wage.

So we still talking about how servers make minimum wage?
The California min wage is $8.00 an hour. The same tipped and for not tipped. I looked it up just in case I was wrong. However it is different in other states, I didn't know that till now. So every case is different. But I still think just because the server or waitress is making less then everyone else, and is depending on people to tip, doesn't mean we are obligated to do so. They will work harder, be more efficient and MAKE that tip just so they can survive off the tips. Right? Isn't that the point?

I also agree with the statement of "if you're not going to tip, then don't go out to a restaurant" It should be known that there will be a (hopefully) hard working person ready to serve you with whatever you need in order to make that tip.

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Servers make less than minimum wage. This is a commonplace practice you will find at pretty much every restaurant, and it's perfectly legal since the tips they make are expected to cover the difference. Far More often than not, the person serving you is making less than $3 an hour. Their tips are literally their entire income.

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