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Old 07-14-2006, 02:58 AM   #1
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Is it just me, or does anyone else around the Hype think that the Daredevil movie gets way too much **** it doesn't deserve? I mean, it's a really good film, and I disagree with pretty much everything most people say is wrong with it. Here's my argument against most of what people claim to be the films 'flaws':

- Casting: A lot of people were upset that the Kingpin was black and that Ben Affleck was cast as Matt Murdock. I can understand that having Duncan as the Kingpin was a bit jarring, but it's easy to get over it. And I think Ben Affleck did a great job as the DD. I'm not a huge fan of his, and I know he's no Johnny Depp or Jack Nicholson, but I enjoyed his performance as Matt. It's funny, some fans say he was too 'fat' to be the Daredevil, but when someone is cast to play a hero who isn't very big or strong, the fans complain about that too. It was nice having a superhero that passes the 6 foot mark, and I don't think he look 'fat' in the suit. Maybe not as thin as some of the artists have made DD look, but not fat. Jennifer Garner and Colin Farrell were great in the film, but they're rarely criticized for their roles so I needn't argue that point much.

- Storyline/faithfulness to the comics: In my opinion, the movie was very, very faithful to the comics. Despite the fact that, admittedly, Elektra seemed more like a Jennifer Aniston than an Angelina Jolie in the sense that she's more of a girl-next-door than an exotic chick in the film, I believe the origin story and the stuff that happens between DD and Bullseye etc. were faithful to the comics, at least when compared to other comic book movies. Here's an example:

In the first Spider-man film, Gwen Stacy doesn't exist, and a lot of her character elements are applied to Mary Jane. In the comics, the Green Goblin throws Gwen off a bridge, killing her (despite Spider-man's efforts to save her). In the film, Mary Jane is thrown off the bridge (as well as a tram full of school kids) and Spider-man manages to catch both, without death or serious injury caused to either party.

In the comics, Elektra is stabbed by Bullseye in the torso, causing her death. Although many thought they would pull a Raimi and have Elektra survive her battle with Bullseye (therefore making it much more appealing to moviegoers who can't handle non-happy endings), she is killed in a shot that is nearly identical to the frame where she dies in the comics.

See what I mean? Daredevil remains true to the original stories, even moreso than other comic book movies that have been more warmly received. But again, the Kingpin is black....I guess whether or not that affects the experience of watching the film is up to the viewer.

- Not dark enough/PG-13 rating: I agree wholeheartedly about the film not being as dark as it should be and having to earn a PG-13 rating. I don't, however, agree with who deserves the blame. I don't think MSJ should get the blame; the finger should be pointed directly at the studio. Punisher got the darkness he deserved, why couldn't Daredevil? Perhaps they were concerned that to many under 17s would get turned away at the box office, but that's life. It was as dark as a PG-13 film could be, and had plenty of blood/violence and even a mild sex scene. We should at least be grateful for this.

- The wrong cut of the film was released: Again, I agree wholeheartedly. And again, the blame should be put on the studio. Had MSJ had complete creative control from the beginning, DD would have been a better film.

That's all I can think of for now, but I hope some of you see my point. Also, this isn't a Daredevil Appreciation thread, this is just a topic I created so I could share my opinion about Daredevil being too harshly criticized, and so others could agree or disagree as they see fit. If you think I'm totally wrong and/or insane and wish to post it here, great, that's what forums are for. And if you agree with me, likewise, post your support here.

Cheers.

P.S., As you can see by my post count and join date, I'm pretty new to this board, so forgive me if a very similar thread has been made, or if this should have been posted somewhere else. If that is the case, my sincerest apologies.

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Old 07-14-2006, 09:07 AM   #2
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daredevil was a sweet movie

black kingpin didnt bother me at all he actually was cooler as a muscle man rather than a fat piece of poo

dont get me wrong i hate colin ferril but he was bad in daredevil

and the un-rated version is a whole lot better

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Old 07-14-2006, 09:37 AM   #3
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I liked Daredevil. I knew I'd like the Director's Cut more b/c I read the novel, & it contained all the missing plot points from the theatrical version.

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Old 07-14-2006, 10:10 AM   #4
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I agree with all your points. I love DD and I think it gets way too much criticism. It's very underrated.

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Old 07-14-2006, 10:28 AM   #5
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I liked Daredevil when it came out as well, I thought it was fine,Ben Affleck did just fine for the movie for what it was.It's not Spider-Man 2 but it was a decent flick.

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Old 07-14-2006, 11:14 AM   #6
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The Daredevils directors cut was pretty damn good. Definatly underrated. I really think that Elektra was a bad thing for this movie, i think it would have been 99 times better with her toned down or not in it at all. Nonetheless very good and underrated.

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Old 07-14-2006, 11:16 AM   #7
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I do think the love story hurt it a little bit.

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Old 07-14-2006, 12:05 PM   #8
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Hey cool, I am among friends. I like Daredevil and thought Duncan was awesome os the Kingpin. Question though, does that hurt the chance of Spider-Man meeting up with Kingpin in a future movie. Unless they can get Duncan again it might seem a little odd.

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Old 07-14-2006, 12:20 PM   #9
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I liked Daredevil. I knew I'd like the Director's Cut more b/c I read the novel, & it contained all the missing plot points from the theatrical version.
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Old 07-14-2006, 12:48 PM   #10
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I think it gets beat up a lot on the internet. I liked both the theatrical and the DC. I have no problem with MCD as the Kingpin. I thought Farrel was a great Bullseye. Garner was fine as Elektra and the suit was really cool. To me that is what a real life superhero would be wearing. My only compaint was Affleck as Matt/DD. I liked him in the role and thought he did a good job, but in the end it was just Ben Affleck in the costume. If they would have went with a lesser known actor it might have been better. It's one of my favorite Marvel movies.

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Old 07-14-2006, 01:27 PM   #11
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I don't think they would've bothered releasing a DC, or going forward w/Elektra if it had done as badly as the internet bashers like to think.

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Old 07-14-2006, 01:29 PM   #12
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I loved this movie, even more than Spidey one.

I was hoping for a sequel.

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I loved this movie, even more than Spidey one.

I was hoping for a sequel.
A lot of fans want a sequel, and I think Duncan's "we talked about it" indicates that it will happen sooner or later.

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Old 07-14-2006, 03:48 PM   #14
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I said it once before. Daredevil was messed up in the editing room. The only scene in the director cut that still makes my teeth hurt, that was also in the theater version, is that playground fight scene between Matt and Elektra. That still pains me, to look at.

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I think now I've realized my biggest disappointment with the film is that it couldn't have been a straight noir crime-drama. While I don't think it's the best movie in the world, I enjoy the version we got quite a bit - it's probably one of the more rewatchable superhero movies out there, but at the same time I think if they did something David Fincher-like, or even Chris Nolan, it could've been really fabulous.

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I think now I've realized my biggest disappointment with the film is that it couldn't have been a straight noir crime-drama. While I don't think it's the best movie in the world, I enjoy the version we got quite a bit - it's probably one of the more rewatchable superhero movies out there, but at the same time I think if they did something David Fincher-like, or even Chris Nolan, it could've been really fabulous.
I totally agree.

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Hey cool, I am among friends. I like Daredevil and thought Duncan was awesome os the Kingpin. Question though, does that hurt the chance of Spider-Man meeting up with Kingpin in a future movie. Unless they can get Duncan again it might seem a little odd.
not going to happen Fox has the rights to kingpin and so he will not be in any spider-man movies, unless one of two things happen-

1 Sony get the rights
2 Marvel gets the rights to DD and Spider-Man and makes a Spider-Man movie with him in it.

but there is no reason for Sony to want the kingpin and no reason for Fox to sell his rights.

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Old 07-15-2006, 11:17 AM   #18
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Daredevil's Director Cut DVD made all the difference in the world to me.

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the DC DVD was f**king brilliant, one of the top 5 comic movies to date, f**k what anyone else thinks

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It's pretty pointless to review DD based on the theatrical version - it's simply not the whole film. It's 60% of the film. Release 60% of any film and it will suck.

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I was very happy about MCD as kingpin. Im glad that marvel is recognizing their black comic fans by turning more characters black (kingpin, ult. Nick Fury).

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Ultimate Nick Fury is a dreadful character.
I think Daredevil gets bashed waaaay too much, probably because of Ben Affleck.
If there's any Marvel movie that warrants a mericiless thrashing, it's Fantastic Four.

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Comparing DD to Spiderman?

Green Goblin throws metal shuriken-like things at Spiderman, Spiderman does series of backflips to avoid the projectiles.

Bullseye throws chunks of glass at Daredevil, Daredevil does a series of backflips to avoid the projectiles.

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not going to happen Fox has the rights to kingpin and so he will not be in any spider-man movies, unless one of two things happen-

1 Sony get the rights
2 Marvel gets the rights to DD and Spider-Man and makes a Spider-Man movie with him in it.

but there is no reason for Sony to want the kingpin and no reason for Fox to sell his rights.
Oh yeah, I forgot they were two different companies.

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Comparing DD to Spiderman?

Green Goblin throws metal shuriken-like things at Spiderman, Spiderman does series of backflips to avoid the projectiles.

Bullseye throws chunks of glass at Daredevil, Daredevil does a series of backflips to avoid the projectiles.
I wasn't trying to compare Spider-man and Daredevil. I actually prefer Spider-man as a movie, I was just trying to make the point that Spider-man gets great reviews and most people love its storyline, while DD tends not to get such good reviews yet stays quite truthful to the comics. One of the worst events in Spidey's career has been the death of Gwen Stacy, and one of the worst in DD's career has been the death of Elektra (at the time of death, anyway). While one movie chose to pretend it never happened, the other gritted its teeth and made it happen. Just saying it should get props for that.

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