The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - Part 7

[Hawkingbird]

She knows Tony, I think it's been established she won't live a normal life.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Hawkingbird

She knows Tony, I think it's been established she won't live a normal life.

She's the CEO of his corporation. She expects, and everybody else (including Tony) expects her to do CEO stuff --- board meetings, running the company, earnings reports, the usual. She's not going to look very credible doing that flying around in a battlesuit --- in fact, that's part of the reason Tony stepped down to let someone else run the company.

Look, heroes endanger the lives of their loved ones by merely loving them....that's a fact of life that's been around since, like, fiction was invented. But few people have ever suggested going above and beyond normal protection for the hero's girlfriend, be it Pepper Potts or Lois Lane or Maid Marian or Miss Kitty from Dodge City. Hell, even real life heroes like cops and soldiers and secret agents endanger the lives of their loved ones simply by having plenty of enemies; but you don't see cops or soldiers running around putting bulletproof vests on their wives and kids, do you?

[MichaelChen]

I don't want Pepper suiting up either, but for different reasons. I think Stark needs a mundane, grounded character to contrast and play off of. Pepper works best if everything about her is mundane. She's a sensible businesswoman who runs the banal, day to day aspects of Stark Industries. Anything else ruins her role and is a shark-jump in my opinion.

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

She's the CEO of his corporation. She expects, and everybody else (including Tony) expects her to do CEO stuff --- board meetings, running the company, earnings reports, the usual. She's not going to look very credible doing that flying around in a battlesuit --- in fact, that's part of the reason Tony stepped down to let someone else run the company.

Look, heroes endanger the lives of their loved ones by merely loving them....that's a fact of life that's been around since, like, fiction was invented. But few people have ever suggested going above and beyond normal protection for the hero's girlfriend, be it Pepper Potts or Lois Lane or Maid Marian or Miss Kitty from Dodge City. Hell, even real life heroes like cops and soldiers and secret agents endanger the lives of their loved ones simply by having plenty of enemies; but you don't see cops or soldiers running around putting bulletproof vests on their wives and kids, do you?

Have you been paying attention to the news this past week? When there is a direct, credible threat involving the families of law enforcement officers they do indeed provide them with increased security. In Tony & Pepper's case, the direct threat comes in the form of the Mandarin's attack. Prior to that Tony had no need to give Pepper a means to defend herself because no one had yet threatened her life directly for being his lover. Once that threat materialized, he had incentive to find some effective means of protecting her. Whether that comes in the form of an armor created expressly for Pepper or the temporary use of one of Tony's Iron Man suits is something we don't know at this point. Neither might be the case.

[HunBoy]

From Ironman 3 IMDB page.Who is Brandt? Ellen Brandt? Abigail Brand?

[mkilban2]

Originally Posted by HunBoy

From Ironman 3 IMDB page.Who is Brandt? Ellen Brandt? Abigail Brand?

Man-Thing in IM3?... I knew it!!

[Crimson King]

Did I miss something? No one actually said they thought Pepper would fight in the suit, right?

[mkilban2]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

Did I miss something? No one actually said they thought Pepper would fight in the suit, right?

someone a few pages back got a little agro over the topic.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by mkilban2

Man-Thing in IM3?... I knew it!!

Holy freakin' CHEEZ WHIZ.
I do believe you might be right.


Okay, caveat up front: It's IMDB, so the name may be total BS. In fact, it's likely.

BUT.

If true:

http://marvel.wikia.com/Ellen_Brandt_(Earth-616)

Works for AIM in South Florida.
AIM in IM3? Check.
South Florida in IM3? Check.

If a guy named Ted Sallis shows up in a cameo in this movie, imma freak out.

Well-played, Marvel....well-played.
Man-Thing might've just joined the MCU, y'all.

[Vartha]

lol wow Man-Thing wonder if Ploog will come back to life lol in IM3? lol

[mkilban2]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Holy freakin' CHEEZ WHIZ.
I do believe you might be right.


Okay, caveat up front: It's IMDB, so the name may be total BS. In fact, it's likely.

BUT.

If true:

http://marvel.wikia.com/Ellen_Brandt_(Earth-616)

Works for AIM in South Florida.
AIM in IM3? Check.
South Florida in IM3? Check.

If a guy named Ted Sallis shows up in a cameo in this movie, imma freak out.

Well-played, Marvel....well-played.
Man-Thing might've just joined the MCU, y'all.

Originally Posted by Vartha

lol wow Man-Thing wonder if Ploog will come back to life lol in IM3? lol

honest admission: i had no idea who Brandt was so when I googled it to look it up I saw Man-Thing, which I also have no clue about. But I just wanted to be funny lol. Still wishing for Wasp, but that seems like a far-off dream. SWORD introduction seems logical with space movies coming up and past/future threats seemingly cosmic.

[Vartha]

Originally Posted by mkilban2

honest admission: i had no idea who Brandt was so when I googled it to look it up I saw Man-Thing, which I also have no clue about. But I just wanted to be funny lol. Still wishing for Wasp, but that seems like a far-off dream. SWORD introduction seems logical with space movies coming up and past/future threats seemingly cosmic.

which also lead to Howard the Duck lol waaah

[Vartha]

Originally Posted by mkilban2

honest admission: i had no idea who Brandt was so when I googled it to look it up I saw Man-Thing, which I also have no clue about. But I just wanted to be funny lol. Still wishing for Wasp, but that seems like a far-off dream. SWORD introduction seems logical with space movies coming up and past/future threats seemingly cosmic.

By the way artist Mike Ploog was in the Scy-Fy Man-Thing movie, he died. lol

[Ultra Nolanite]

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

Call me a sexist all you like. I think it's stupid and camp to have a secretary with zero skills operating a high tech suit. Tony Stark is a mechanical/engineering genius who perfected the machine over the course of two movies. Rhodey is a veteran fighter pilot that has been trained to handle G-forces and air combat. MCU Pepper operating a Mark suit is out of character. These movies have some semblance of realism.

If you guys want to see Iron Woman, Iron Boy, Iron Dog, Iron Happy, and all that crap--so be it. I don't need to see a slender Mark suit with metallic shaped breasts. I'd rather they not pander to women by shoehorning in lame plot points from the comics. They did the same thing in TDKR by adding in rather pointless characters like Catwoman & Talia to appeal to the geeks/women. Characters that took away precious screentime from Bruce/Batman and turned a great villain into a well spoken goon. Just wait until Pepper killshots Mandarin to save the day and joins the Avengers.....

Give us a real woman superhero movie that doesn't hang on the coattails of established heroes like Iron Man, Batman, Daredevil, and Superman. It's hard not be sexist given that almost all women characters in comics are either sex objects or supporting characters. X-Men is the only one that stands out that is unique in that regard.

Yeah I agree with this guy. Sexist or not the problem is that the concept of Rescue is just stupid. Its stupid in the comics and will be stupid in the film.

Pepper already showed that she can hold her own in the previous films. Putting in armor would be the sexist thing to do.

"Here Pepper, you can't take care of yourself and you're a baby. Use this Armor I made for you or you'll die."

She's already depicted as a strong female.

[Mr. Stark]

Anyone know is Leslie Bibb AKA Christine Everheart, the reporter from the first two will be back? She always gives the films a good comedic bit.

[Dr Lee]

I completely fail to see how Tony giving the woman he loves something to keep her safe when the **** hits the fan is sexist...

She may be a strong character who can hold her own in the boardroom and in banter with Tony... But that all amounts to jack **** when facing an army of aliens as Tony did in Avengers...

[Crimson King]

Yeah, giving her armor is not the least bit sexist. She's bound to be the target of someone trying to hurt Tony. Being a smart CEO is not going to save her in that situation, but having a suit temporarily get her out of danger is.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Dr Lee

I completely fail to see how Tony giving the woman he loves something to keep her safe when the **** hits the fan is sexist...

She may be a strong character who can hold her own in the boardroom and in banter with Tony... But that all amounts to jack **** when facing an army of aliens as Tony did in Avengers...

So now you want her on the front lines facing all the nasties that Tony does?

A good hero protects his loved ones the same way they've *always* done --- keep them out of harm's way in the first place. If Pepper gets to the point that she's an easy target for the bad guys and needs a suit of armor to protect herself, then she needs to start putting some distance between herself and Tony.

[Crimson King]

Nobody said she needs to be on the front line. The Rescue suit would be just that--a rescue mechanism. In fact, it's doing exactly what you said it should do, which is to keep her out of harm's way.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

Nobody said she needs to be on the front line. The Rescue suit would be just that--a rescue mechanism. In fact, it's doing exactly what you said it should do, which is to keep her out of harm's way.

Keeping her out of harm's way is not putting her anywhere near the front lines in the first place. Again, if things have gotten so dangerous that she needs a frickin' suit of armor to live out her daily life, then it's high time she and Tony need to rethink their priorities and where this relationship is heading.

Lois Lane deals with worse **** than MCU Pepper Potts could ever dream of, yet neither she nor Kal-El think she needs some kind of special protection to keep her safe from all Supes' bad guys. Pepper needs to show some balls and man up, like Lois and Mary Jane and the rest of them do. Tony don't need no wimp.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

So now you want her on the front lines facing all the nasties that Tony does?

Why do you insist on claiming this is what everyone wants? No one has suggested this except you and Captain OMG It'll Roon Teh Moovie.

There is a massive difference between being protected/whisked away from danger and 'flying around shrieking & blasting aliens'.

[Crimson King]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

Keeping her out of harm's way is not putting her anywhere near the front lines in the first place. Again, if things have gotten so dangerous that she needs a frickin' suit of armor to live out her daily life, then it's high time she and Tony need to rethink their priorities and where this relationship is heading.

Lois Lane deals with worse **** than MCU Pepper Potts could ever dream of, yet neither she nor Kal-El think she needs some kind of special protection to keep her safe from all Supes' bad guys. Pepper needs to show some balls and man up, like Lois and Mary Jane and the rest of them do. Tony don't need no wimp.

When you're dealing with a terrorist like Mandarin, where, exactly, are the front lines that she's supposed to stay away from?

Superman is an all-powerful alien who can hear a gnat fart from three universes away and can reverse said fart by flying around real fast. That's not exactly the same as a normal guy who builds fancy suits of armor.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango

Why do you insist on claiming this is what everyone wants? No one has suggested this except you and Captain OMG It'll Roon Teh Moovie.

There is a massive difference between being protected/whisked away from danger and 'flying around shrieking & blasting aliens'.

There's also a massive difference between being a strong independent woman who has the courage, resourcefulness and smarts to keep out of the line of fire, versus being a precious damsel-in-distress wuss who needs to put on iron underwear so the mean ol' baddies can't hurt her.

She doesn't need protection. Open your eyes, Rescue-ites. She's a stronger character than that.

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

When you're dealing with a terrorist like Mandarin, where, exactly, are the front lines that she's supposed to stay away from?

Now you're starting to sound like Dick Cheney and George Dubya. "The terrorists are everywhere!" So we should all live our lives in fear and give up the freedom and liberty that we hold dear in exchange for "protection?"

The ONLY way to fight a terrorist is to take away his terror. Living your life day-to-day like you always do, and show that you're unafraid, is the way to fight terror.

[Whiskey Tango]

Originally Posted by cherokeesam

There's also a massive difference between being a strong independent woman who has the courage, resourcefulness and smarts to keep out of the line of fire,

Yeah. I guess she could avoid close proximity to Tony. And stay away from places he's been. And avoid his house. And cut off all contact with him whatsoever.

Maybe they should just get rid of supporting casts entirely since they're such a burden on the storytelling.

Also, my friends wife will love to hear that she's a pathetic, witless, damsel-in-distress every time he reminds her to put on her seat belt.