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Old 04-18-2013, 02:15 AM   #376
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I really like what I've heard so far. However, I do hope it strays into "SUPERHERO" territory every now and then. Just to make the movie feel a little... warmer?
I thought what we heard was actually rather warm and inspiring, but never fear Zimmer has mentioned that he took a lot of inspiration from the American Midwest and will be using things like pedal steel guitars. With all of its soulful sustain, I can't think of many instruments warmer sounding that a pedal steel guitar. However, it probably doesn't qualify as what one would consider traditionally "superheroic." (ie. bombastic brass and strings) Then again, combine it with the pounding drums we heard in the trailer and he might just redefine what counts as "superheroic".

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It seems that 'grass-roots' was something he was after. Which could also be, as was discussed earlier, why the drums aren't as 'forceful' as some may have expected them to be, but with a different kind of impact to them.

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I thought what we heard was actually rather warm and inspiring, but never fear Zimmer has mentioned that he took a lot of inspiration from the American Midwest and will be using things like pedal steel guitars. With all of its soulful sustain, I can't think of many instruments warmer sounding that a pedal steel guitar. However, it probably doesn't qualify as what one would consider traditionally "superheroic." (ie. bombastic brass and strings) Then again, combine it with the pounding drums we heard in the trailer and he might just redefine what counts as "superheroic".
I think it's a combination of there being a lot of blue in the trailer, combined with the fact that I've been sick the last couple of days. So everything seems glum to me right now. I'll get over it. :P

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I would first say that learn the craft as well as you can, be it the technology or whatever, then try to maybe get a job where you spend time around production...be it TV or commercials or the such, where you can spend time as an assistant editor of the like and be around it as much as possible where you'll naturally absorb how not only it works, but how the whole workflow of production and post/delivery does. Then work your way up.

Try to maybe get some material together that looks professional, but don't be embarrassed to say that you don't have much material and you're looking to get started.
I guess the embarrassment comes from having a little uni work in my portfolio and thinking I could be doing more with my days off besides socialising and obsessing over Man Of Steel lol! I've done a few runner jobs but need to do more post-production work. I'm working for a big television broadcasting company in the UK at the moment and constantly thinking about the next job. Guess I need to just knuckle down and experiment a little like our friend Hans over there. I appreciate the advice, thanks KalMart!

Anyhoo, any news on whether we've heard Zimmer's music in the trailer? I don't think we've had official confirmation yet...

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Yes, it was taken down from the original article, but it's still in places that quote the original article, like that IMDB link I gave you. But yes, Huffington Post wrote that part themselves. When the article was first posted on this site, we were all able to click the link and read it there.

Confirmation is confirmation. If HuffPost confirmed it after the LA Times did, then they may have seen fit to give credit where it was originally due.
It's ridiculous to dismiss them removing that 'confirmation' claim. It's exactly the type of behavior that led me to warn about their reliability in the first place.

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Or it's semantics. I see no reason to think anyone misinterpreted anything since no one has come out claiming anyone was wrong about any of it. There's been no denial. There's been no "sorry we were wrong." So why assume a mistake has been made?
A mistake about the HP 'confirmation'? Well, they removed it for a REASON. And the only plausible one is that the statement wasn't accurate. That doesn't mean that the music is necessarily not from the MOS score...just that they probably didn't get the type of confirmation from WB they originally claimed they did.

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But they're not pointing to them. MTV is a major press outlet with direct access to the studios and their PR people. If they get their facts from somewhere else, they cite it. Those PR people, by the way, who just presented this trailer at CinemaCon. With Hans Zimmer there. And the press in attendance reacting to the trailer talking about Zimmer's score. You don't think someone would have gotten their facts straight if they were wrong since the source was right there?
You'd think that 'source' would have made his own announcement, yet he hasn't said a word about the trailer music. You'd think all those 'major outlets' would have gotten a direct quote from Zimmer. He's never one to need prodding to open up about his work...yet, nothing.

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It's "almost official" because his "official site" is under construction...by those same people. RC Productions. Formerly Media Ventures. That's Hans Zimmer's company.
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I'd wager a good sum that the music in the trailer is most likely Zimmer. It certainly has his signature and it has a melody upbeat enough befitting Superman. It may not be the full theme (which will include the pedal steel guitars that's being talked about so much), but it is a good indication of what we can expect from the final score.

Also, I wish people would get over this silly obsession with having a jolly hummable tune. Times have changed. Today's superheroes are much more complex, wrestling with inner demons and moral ambiguities, and any good composer worth his salt knows that aspect will be reflected musically. I don't get where these complaints about the TDK trilogy's score being 'generic' are coming from either. The score is distinct enough and has its own identity. Anyone with a good ear for music can tell. To a layman, there might be no real difference between a Ferrari and a Lamborghini in that they are both 'generic supercars' but tell that to a car enthusiast and they'll chew your head off.

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I'd wager a good sum that the music in the trailer is most likely Zimmer. It certainly has his signature and it has a melody upbeat enough befitting Superman. It may not be the full theme (which will include the pedal steel guitars that's being talked about so much), but it is a good indication of what we can expect from the final score.

Also, I wish people would get over this silly obsession with having a jolly hummable tune. Times have changed. Today's superheroes are much more complex, wrestling with inner demons and moral ambiguities, and any good composer worth his salt knows that aspect will be reflected musically. I don't get where these complaints about the TDK trilogy's score being 'generic' are coming from either. The score is distinct enough and has its own identity. Anyone with a good ear for music can tell. To a layman, there might be no real difference between a Ferrari and a Lamborghini in that they are both 'generic supercars' but tell that to a car enthusiast and they'll chew your head off.
For some though...the lack of a distinct hummable melody is like removing the prancing horse or bull badge.

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If the piano bit during the beginning is one of the themes or indeed "the" theme, I think it's going to be appropriately melodic, uplifting and satisfying with the full orchestral treatment.

We'll see. I have a lot of high hopes for this score.

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I think a big part of judging the score appropriately will be the way it plays out with the different scenes and moments in the film. That is the most important thing, and I don't think hearing the music in a single trailer does it justice. Seeing the film and the way it unfolds may change the mind of some of those people who are not "feeling" it yet.

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If the piano bit during the beginning is one of the themes or indeed "the" theme, I think it's going to be appropriately melodic, uplifting and satisfying with the full orchestral treatment.

We'll see. I have a lot of high hopes for this score.
It's a nice hook, but not quite a 'complete sentence', melodically speaking. Nice still though, and I think there's good potential. As mentioned before, I like the part where the chords first stray from that regular progression at around 1:17, sort of a 'now's the time' feel to it.

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It's a nice hook, but not quite a 'complete sentence', melodically speaking. Nice still though, and I think there's good potential. As mentioned before, I like the part where the chords first stray from that regular progression at around 1:17, sort of a 'now's the time' feel to it.
Yup, I start getting a little goosebumpy around that point.

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Yup, I start getting a little goosebumpy around that point.
Kinda' wish they started to add more 'thump' to the marching drums there...but as we've said we don't know what part of the film was originally intended for.

Also, a break with just the drums playing loud in the middle, then coming back hard with a 'b' part would have been really nice. But also how they come back at the end with the subdued/understated drums again is a nice touch. A nice way of implying might/dignity behind the emblem.

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Kinda' wish they started to add more 'thump' to the marching drums there...but as we've said we don't know what part of the film was originally intended for.

Also, a break with just the drums playing loud in the middle, then coming back hard with a 'b' part would have been really nice. But also how they come back at the end with the subdued/understated drums again is a nice touch. A nice way of implying might/dignity behind the emblem.
And I think the overall rhythm of it has a nice gallop to it. It does have a very dare I say, classically "Superman" kind of feel. Especially the tempo and the pauses in the beat. Reminds me of the opening of the Williams' score actually...

Dun dun dun dun dun dun.....dun-dun-dun-dun-dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

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For some though...the lack of a distinct hummable melody is like removing the prancing horse or bull badge.
Again, for a car enthusiast, it's not the logo on top that makes the difference. It's what is under the bonnet, the drivetrain and the feel of the car that makes Ferraris and Lamborghinis so different. A Ferrari is a pure driving machine - sharp throttle, super responsive steering and amazing road grip. Lamborghinis, on the other hand, are a playboy's car - extreme styling, massive engine and unimaginably loud.

Anyways, back to the point - I am not against simple hummable melodies per se. They are fine if they suit the film. A heroic march would have ill-suited a character like Nolan's Batman, who wasn't a traditional hero. Likewise, the Superman in Man of Steel appears to be a more nuanced character than the relatively more straightforward altruistic do-gooder that was Donner's Superman. The issue here is not, I think, that of 'hummability', but rather whether the hero's theme, as it were, distinctly stands out or is more deeply embedded within the musical landscape of the film. Personally, to me any good piece of music is hummable. Lately, I have been unable to get out of my head Zimmer's music from Rush and Jack Hall's Illusive Man theme and neither of those two are anywhere near what many would call a hummable themes yet they can be just as pervasive.

I think it's the fact that the score is a dramatic departure from the established paradigms for superhero music rather than the quality of the music itself is what vexes people more than anything else.

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And I think the overall rhythm of it has a nice gallop to it. It does have a very dare I say, classically "Superman" kind of feel. Especially the tempo and the pauses in the beat. Reminds me of the opening of the Williams' score actually...

Dun dun dun dun dun dun.....dun-dun-dun-dun-dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

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Yea, That's why even with some of the questionable 'confirmation' of it being Zimmer's score for MOS, it sounds like what he was referring to in the at interview...about getting a circle of marching drummers and recording it naturally. It sounds like that in this, with an 'Americana' feel to it, but framed in a more modern composition. So we'll see...I'm looking forward to this moreso than I would his other things.

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I'd wager a good sum that the music in the trailer is most likely Zimmer. It certainly has his signature and it has a melody upbeat enough befitting Superman. It may not be the full theme (which will include the pedal steel guitars that's being talked about so much), but it is a good indication of what we can expect from the final score.
I got the feeling that the pedal guitars were thematically tied to Smallville, not Superman. I don't know that for sure, though.

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Again, for a car enthusiast, it's not the logo on top that makes the difference. It's what is under the bonnet, the drivetrain and the feel of the car that makes Ferraris and Lamborghinis so different. A Ferrari is a pure driving machine - sharp throttle, super responsive steering and amazing road grip. Lamborghinis, on the other hand, are a playboy's car - extreme styling, massive engine and unimaginably loud.
But there is an indispensable element that it gives to the car aside from what factory made it. There's a pride of ownership and, dare I say, mystique and romanticism surrounding something like Ferrari's prancing horse, or Maserati's trident. It's the 'eyes' of the presentation for many even with the voice and power and grip and acceleration....it speaks for the experience with just a snapshot. Can't be underplayed how important it is in that arena...and any car in that echelon would be incomplete without it beyond just identifying a brand from another. It's speaking for the car's iconography, not just it's engineering.

But anyway, I also don't feel tat a Superman movie HAS to have that hummable melody, at least conventionally so. I see it as a little more 'out of the box' thinking with the score, with that approach being its unique stamp in place of strong melody et al. But wanting one is very understandable because it really is the kind of music and motif we think of when we think of Superman...it's hard not to.

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Hans Zimmer himself has confirmed that the trailer does have the MOS theme but it's not the full theme. I would post a link to the article but the site is censored and I'm too lazy to copy paste it. But there you have it, for those who still doubted it.

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But there is an indispensable element that it gives to the car aside from what factory made it. There's a pride of ownership and, dare I say, mystique and romanticism surrounding something like Ferrari's prancing horse, or Maserati's trident. It's the 'eyes' of the presentation for many even with the voice and power and grip and acceleration....it speaks for the experience with just a snapshot. Can't be underplayed how important it is in that arena...and any car in that echelon would be incomplete without it beyond just identifying a brand from another. It's speaking for the car's iconography, not just it's engineering.
Even so, there have been plenty of crap Ferraris and Lamborghinis, some so bad that die-hard enthusiasts refuse to even call them that, even if they do have the badge on. The brand is an amplifying factor - it shines on a car that nails the fundamentals (its engineering), and is a mark of shame on one that doesn't.

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For me, as long as Superman gets a theme that is unique and sounds appropriately heroic, it doesn't matter whether it is as easily hummable as the Williams theme or not. I care more about the quality and suitability of the music and less so about having classic old school signature melodies.

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Hans Zimmer himself has confirmed that the trailer does have the MOS theme but it's not the full theme. I would post a link to the article but the site is censored and I'm too lazy to copy paste it. But there you have it, for those who still doubted it.
Um, at least mention the name of the site.

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Nevermind, I found his post on the VI forums. Thanks for bringing it up.

http://www.vi-control.net/forum/view...695752#3695752

I'm familiar with his user on that forum, so...

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Just kidding. I assumed everyone would know which site I speak of (CBM). Here is the article:

Turns out it is indeed Hans Zimmer's score for the film. He confirms this via a forum post (http://www.vi-control.net/forum/view...695752#3695752 ) at VI Control Forums. This is a legit post as many people from the industry post there and Hans Zimmer has posted there many times before and it is actually known that the user is him.

Below is the post where he talks about the drums that he has spoken about previously as well as the tune that he wrote for Superman.

The music is actually from the score. A little bit recut - the tune is actually a bit longer in it's development. What you think of as synth sounds are 8 pedal steel guitars. Best organic pad sound yet Smile The perc is the session I did at WB and Fox with 15 drummers:
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with the amazing JunkieXL conducting (There is something to be said to get a drummer who is a star of EDM and knows how to get a crowd of twohundred thousand people dancing at his shows to liontame and energise this lot!)
But of course the real plus is the lack of sound effects...which gets us back to that other thread about dubbing music loudly Smile
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I absolutely love it when the march kicks in in the trailer it's just epic. Cannot wait to hear it on the big screen.

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Lol, Zimmer posts on a forum? I had no idea. That is awesome.

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Now Zimmer is really playing with steel for Man of Steel.

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I am warming up to Zimmer's score so much. It's heroic, full of melody, and has this majestic-vibe it exudes.

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