Cop killer on the run calls out to celebs

[RachelDawes]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wooden Alligator

Take note, anyone who's ever argued for a real-life superhero; this is why you can't have one.

I sincerely hope they get this guy. Its crazy how he seems to have planned everything.

He's actually more of a supervillain than superhero.

[terry78]

Originally Posted by RachelDawes

He's actually more of a supervillain than superhero.

In their mind, they're all superheroes.

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by Spider-Who?

Yup. So far, in two separate instances, police have shot at two different vehicles believing it to be Dorner.

One vehicle the police shot at had two elderly women in it - one of whom was shot in the back.

I know the police must be under a ton of stress right now, but damn, they need to get their act together before they hurt (or kill) any more innocents.

Whenever a police force feels that its members are endangered they react by indiscriminately using deadly force. That has happened twice here in Maryland. Cops get scared and turn on the public they're supposed to protect. Given a description of a suspect, they treat everyone even vaguely matching it like the perpetrator and start shooting and beating people at random. It's a total disgrace but who's going to stop them?

[Wolfwood]

Originally Posted by Visceral

No, he comes off crazy like that, but then all of a sudden he goes into a completely articulate critique of the bureaucracy that surrounds law enforcement. Then he goes back to saying things like "Jesus was never called a n word", or "I am the exigent circumstance you created me to be". A very law enforcement way of saying you made this monster.

In my opinion, I want to believe that the system took a dump on him and it probably did but once you start taking lives your cause is completely moot. this isn't first blood this is real life

That's the scariest part. I read through his manifesto and he sounds extremely intelligent. If his claims are true, it'll be quite a blow to the LAPD after this is all said and done. Assuming that his despicable actions don't completely overshadow any of their wrong doings.

I see a lot of people dismissing this guy as some sort of nut job who will probably off himself in the woods. I worry that he's much more than that. He made a lot of claims and threats in his manifesto and if there's anyone with the training and intelligence to accomplish some of those goals, it's this man. I hope this whole things comes to an end soon, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to draw things out for awhile.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by RachelDawes

He's actually more of a supervillain than superhero.

Nothing super about it either way, really. Just a sad reality.

[xeno000]

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

That's the scariest part. I read through his manifesto and he sounds extremely intelligent. If his claims are true, it'll be quite a blow to the LAPD after this is all said and done. Assuming that his despicable actions don't completely overshadow any of their wrong doings.

I see a lot of people dismissing this guy as some sort of nut job who will probably off himself in the woods. I worry that he's much more than that. He made a lot of claims and threats in his manifesto and if there's anyone with the training and intelligence to accomplish some of those goals, it's this man. I hope this whole things comes to an end soon, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to draw things out for awhile.

From what I've heard about Dorner he is a trained military intelligence operative with extensive expertise in weapons, urban warfare and military tactics. On top of that, he was also trained by the LAPD itself and knows their techniques and routines. He may or may not be crazy but he is definitely extremely intelligent.


Dorner was fired by the LAPD for submitting a police brutality report about other officers that the department claimed was false. With the LAPD's long, dark history there is a better than even chance that Dorner was telling the truth at the time and was cashiered because the officers he turned in were better connected within the department. Being unfairly fired is no excuse for murder, of course, but it happens on a regular basis here in the US. Only most of the other workplace-related violence is usually committed by people without Dorner's extensive military and police training.

[Schlosser85]

Originally Posted by RachelDawes

He's actually more of a supervillain than superhero.

He's not a super anything.

Also, the LAPD needs to get a freakin' grip and stop shooting at anyone in a vehicle similar to his, or they're not gonna be any better than him.

[James]

To be fair, it's not the entire LAPD that are flipping out. No doubt they're all scared, which is fair enough, but I'm sure there are plenty of rational officers among them who won't wildly shoot up every blue truck they see. The two cops who blasted those women probably got the reaming of their lives from the bosses, and I'll be surprised if they don't (at the very least) loose their badges as a result.

For every over zealous cowboy cop who shoots first, there are a thousand others who would keep their distance, call for backup and used their car's PA speaker to tell the occupants of the truck to get out nice and slow.

[Pink Ranger]

Originally Posted by James

To be fair, it's not the entire LAPD that are flipping out. No doubt they're all scared, which is fair enough, but I'm sure there are plenty of rational officers among them who won't wildly shoot up every blue truck they see. The two cops who blasted those women probably got the reaming of their lives from the bosses, and I'll be surprised if they don't (at the very least) loose their badges as a result.

For every over zealous cowboy cop who shoots first, there are a thousand others who would keep their distance, call for backup and used their car's PA speaker to tell the occupants of the truck to get out nice and slow.

This is worse than that though. The entire LAPD police culture seems to be supporting these heinous actions. The police spokesmen are not betraying one ounce of apology or even critical examination of these actions. The only people openly asking these questions are on online boards like this one, not even the media is commenting how wrong this is.

The police have even issued a public advisory for anybody with a similar model of car to stay off the road for their own safety. How the **** is that even a starting point in a functioning democracy? This is more than a few rogue cops at work.

[James]

For the most part, I'm speculating. My main point though, is that whatever mad-culture the LAPD may or may not have, I don't believe that every single cop in Southern California is just going to open fire on the mere chance it might be Dorner. That's not to say they the majority of them aren't out to kill the guy, I'm pretty sure they are, only that we can't automatically condemn every officer for the gun-totting actions of a select few.

It's important to keep in mind that all the routine traffic stops that occur without incident don't make the news.

[Paladin-Hoss]

Just got through reading the whole manifesto. Although it's clear that not all of his dogs are barking, he's seems to be fairly intelligent person. He's said some pretty damning things about the LAPD, that if it's proven to be true, would open a nasty can of worms. Though it's funny that the part that the media seems to dwell on is the celebrity part...not exactly waht mr Dorner had in mind.

Moreover, judging from how he wrote the manifesto-almost like a report-with mentioning not just individual names but also times,dates and places, you'd be inclined to believe that he was telling the truth. Almost perfect grammar, Syntax and everyting...this is clearly an educated person.

The scary thing in the manifesto is the part where he mentioned how he's going to achieve his goals...

It's not : 'i'm gonna kill you all mothertruckers!'

...but the way he calmly described how he's going to do it by using what seems to be millitary and police procedures...

[Paladin-Hoss]

An excerpt from his manifesto:

whatever pre-planned responses you have established for a scenario like me, shelve it Whatever
contingency plan you have, shelve it. whatever tertiary plan you've created, shelve it. I am a walking
exigent circumstance with no OFF or reset button JRIC, DOJ, LASD, FBI and other local LE l:an't assist and
should not involve themselves in a matter that does not concern them. For all other agencies, do not
involve yourself in this capture or recovery of me, Look at the big picture ofthe situation. They
created the situation. will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/lDOL situation. with
today's budgeting and fiscal mess, you guys can not afford lose several officers to IOD or Plus,
other officers should not have to take on the additional duties and responsibilities ofdead officers.
Think abouttheirfamilies, outside agencies, chiefs/nirectors

[Pink Ranger]

Originally Posted by James

For the most part, I'm speculating. My main point though, is that whatever mad-culture the LAPD may or may not have, I don't believe that every single cop in Southern California is just going to open fire on the mere chance it might be Dorner. That's not to say they the majority of them aren't out to kill the guy, I'm pretty sure they are, only that we can't automatically condemn every officer for the gun-totting actions of a select few.

It's important to keep in mind that all the routine traffic stops that occur without incident don't make the news.

But we can condemn an entire police force that creates a culture that empowers a small number of violent rogues to act with impunity, knowing they will not be denounced or held accountable by their colleagues.

[James]

Originally Posted by Pink Ranger

But we can condemn an entire police force that creates a culture that empowers a small number of violent rogues to act with impunity, knowing they will not be denounced or held accountable by their colleagues.

I can agree with that. It's important to remember that within that decades old culture of corruption and violence, there are genuinely good individuals doing good work. But the organization as a whole? Yeah, it's pretty clear there's something systematically wrong with it.

[Paladin-Hoss]

What's interesting to me is, people being surprised that these kind of things happens with organisation such as the police force.

Corruption is inevitable with every organisation that holds any kind of power.It's just human nature.

What sad is when something like Christopher Dorner happens.

[Cosmic]

Ok, I read Dorner's letter yesterday, and I've been thinking about it all day. This guy really needed a friend, or someone to talk to about all of these problems. It seems to me that in the process and aftermath of being investigated and fired, he was completely shut out and abandoned by his peers. He crossed the line, he broke the code, and they punished him by ruining his career. Yes, he should go to prison for the rest of his life for killing those people...but I don't believe he will let himself be taken alive.

Dorner had a clean record. He was intelligent, talented and dedicated to service. He needed some serious anger management counseling, and a transfer to a different precinct. Maybe if his supervisors had been paying attention, or cared at all, then they might have taken steps such as these to address these issues and turn this man into a successful career veteran instead of a tragedy.

I think that people who are trained to use deadly force in the performance of their professional duties should get more specialized attention than they currently do when they're transitioning into a different job. Most importantly in cases when they're being released against their wishes! Someone who's trained in all types of warfare tactics and assault weapons shouldn't get tossed out onto the street with little or no support. It happens all the time...every day, all over the country. It's time for some serious changes.

[chamber-music]

Dorner should of gone to the press or internal affairs or something about the LAPD corruption. Someone would take his allegations seriously. Going on a crazy shooting spree isn't going to improve anything.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Originally Posted by Cosmic

Ok, I read Dorner's letter yesterday, and I've been thinking about it all day. This guy really needed a friend, or someone to talk to about all of these problems. It seems to me that in the process and aftermath of being investigated and fired, he was completely shut out and abandoned by his peers. He crossed the line, he broke the code, and they punished him by ruining his career. Yes, he should go to prison for the rest of his life for killing those people...but I don't believe he will let himself be taken alive.

Dorner had a clean record. He was intelligent, talented and dedicated to service. He needed some serious anger management counseling, and a transfer to a different precinct. Maybe if his supervisors had been paying attention, or cared at all, then they might have taken steps such as these to address these issues and turn this man into a successful career veteran instead of a tragedy.

I think that people who are trained to use deadly force in the performance of their professional duties should get more specialized attention than they currently do when they're transitioning into a different job. Most importantly in cases when they're being released against their wishes! Someone who's trained in all types of warfare tactics and assault weapons shouldn't get tossed out onto the street with little or no support. It happens all the time...every day, all over the country. It's time for some serious changes.

Hit the nail on the head.

[The Guard]

I really don't think that we can assume he had no one talking to him or trying to help him based on this manifesto. He obviously did have friends he cared about, who were good to him, and he mentioned them in the letter.

Who knows how much of this is true? The bottom line is, regardless of what happened with the police force, in an effort to clear his name, he immediately killed two innocent people. He's got an obvious death wish. He's an LA cop killer now...he's going to get his wish.

[Visceral]

I can see him kill the man he had a beef with, you know warrior to warrior. but kill the daughter? Thats a line I don't think the punisher would even cross.

[terry78]

Yeah, we don't need to compare real life **** to comic books.

[Optimus27932]

Originally Posted by Cosmic

Ok, I read Dorner's letter yesterday, and I've been thinking about it all day. This guy really needed a friend, or someone to talk to about all of these problems. It seems to me that in the process and aftermath of being investigated and fired, he was completely shut out and abandoned by his peers. He crossed the line, he broke the code, and they punished him by ruining his career. Yes, he should go to prison for the rest of his life for killing those people...but I don't believe he will let himself be taken alive.

Dorner had a clean record. He was intelligent, talented and dedicated to service. He needed some serious anger management counseling, and a transfer to a different precinct. Maybe if his supervisors had been paying attention, or cared at all, then they might have taken steps such as these to address these issues and turn this man into a successful career veteran instead of a tragedy.

I think that people who are trained to use deadly force in the performance of their professional duties should get more specialized attention than they currently do when they're transitioning into a different job. Most importantly in cases when they're being released against their wishes! Someone who's trained in all types of warfare tactics and assault weapons shouldn't get tossed out onto the street with little or no support. It happens all the time...every day, all over the country. It's time for some serious changes.

Bingo, this is it right here.

[Gotham Knight]

LAPD: In order to protect innocent civilians, we'll ram their vehicles off the road and shoot at them with the intent to kill.

Way to prove the nutjob's point about how corrupt your police force is.

[Brain Damage]

Originally Posted by Gotham Knight

LAPD: In order to protect innocent civilians, we'll ram their vehicles off the road and shoot at them with the intent to kill.

Way to prove the nutjobs point about how corrupt your police force is.

Wait.... please don't tell me this is a real quote.

[Gotham Knight]

Originally Posted by Gotham Knight

LAPD: In order to protect innocent civilians, we'll ram their vehicles off the road and shoot at them with the intent to kill.

Way to prove the nutjob's point about how corrupt your police force is.

Originally Posted by Brain Damage

Wait.... please don't tell me this is a real quote.

It isn't. I was more so paraphrasing. But heck, it might as well be a real quote. Actions speak louder than words, right?



Disgusting.