Bryan Singer Directing X-Men: Days of Future Past - Part 3

[Mulholland-Jr]

Originally Posted by def28

Definitely, I was just talking character deaths in X3. I was pretty disappointed with Singer not using him either though. 8 min as a mute in X2 was pretty lame. I get that there wasnt place for him in this story but hes the most important of the team and was given no time. They should have made time and written a part for him. One of these days the leader of the X Men will finally have character focus haha.

I definitely would have love to see more of him as well. Singer said he planned on utilizing him more in X3, but you know... talk is cheap. Especially hindsight talking.

[def28]

Yeah, no doubt it couldnt have been worse considering what he was dealt in X3.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by Loganbabe

I can't imagine an entire cinema laughing at that scene. If that was the case, the audience was much more ridiculous.

Same, unless those scenes were meant to be funny. But they weren't.

Originally Posted by jignat

I know I'm jumping the gun but who do you guys think will direct the X- film after DOFP?

Singer ,Vaughn or a totally new director?

2) Do you think it will be a continuation of the FC story, a new continuity totally, or a new trilogy set post X-3 in the original continuity?

Bryan Singer of course and I really want FOX to continue the original series.

Originally Posted by Double B

I think we'll get both. One present movie and First Class 3.

However, I think First Class 3 may end that series. I'm not sure how easy it will be to tie Fassbender and Lawrence down again.

Well if that one present movie turned out to be very successful. I don't think they should still do a First Class 3 movie. They should keep the momentum.

[JP]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

Same, unless those scenes were meant to be funny. But they weren't.

It doesn't really matter how they were "meant" to be viewed, if an audience is viewing it a certain way on their own. Like most scenes in X3, Xavier's funeral was heavy handed, and lacked any bit of subtlety.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by Mulholland '49

I don't think he was mistreated (until X3 which mistreated everyone ) it's just that the movies weren't about him. He might have been mishandled (depending on how you look at it), but his character was pretty faithful and when we do see him he's actually doing ****, Singer didn't make him pout in his room and be completely useless while others fight like Crapner.

I agree on this! Whenever he was on screen, he was on character mode (even in X3) and he did not just stand there without doing anything. The movies just weren't about him.

Originally Posted by Iceman

Well he was hardly in X2 after getting very easily taken out.

Cyclops actually had at least 2 more scenes after that. But those scenes didn't make the final cut.

Originally Posted by JP

It doesn't really matter how they were "meant" to be viewed, if an audience is viewing it a certain way on their own. Like most scenes in X3, Xavier's funeral was heavy handed, and lacked any bit of subtlety.

I thought the funeral scene was sad and I felt really bad for Professor X. I don't know about you, but when I watched X3 for the first time, I was about to cry when Storm was delivering her speech and Kitty was sobbing inside her room.

[JP]

I couldn't feel any emotion through staged tears.

And as someone already pointed out, that shot of the chair was uncomfortable and unneeded.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by JP

I couldn't feel any emotion through staged tears.

And as someone already pointed out, that shot of the chair was uncomfortable and unneeded.

I think that shot was to remind the audience that Xavier is no longer gonna be in the school with the students, that he will no longer use his wheelchair and its a symbol that he's truly gone.

I've seen other movies do that too when a certain character died, they visit the person's room or the places that person went to when that person was still alive.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, but it wasn't a character we know looking at a beloved memento of a dearly departed friend... It was a jarring quick cut to an empty wheelchair sitting in a room for no reason...

Wasn't he IN his main wheelchair when he died anyway? Why did he have another one just sitting in the middle of a room? It was SO obviously forced drama and that's why it sucked.

The fact that it worked on you just shows how few people can actually judge when drama or character development is done WELL. So many people seem to equate character development to screentime and drama to 'sweeping music'.

That single shot of Pyro looking at Bobby's family photos told us more about his character than ANY of his combined screentime in X3. In moves, less is more which is something Singer has always done well and something Ratner has no understanding of. The garbage script didn't help either. They may as well have changed Logan's name to "Maverick Renegade" and Magneto "HEARTLESS BAD GUY" for all the total lacking of subtext that film had.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by Wolvieboy17

Yeah, but it wasn't a character we know looking at a beloved memento of a dearly departed friend... It was a jarring quick cut to an empty wheelchair sitting in a room for no reason...

Wasn't he IN his main wheelchair when he died anyway? Why did he have another one just sitting in the middle of a room? It was SO obviously forced drama and that's why it sucked.

The fact that it worked on you just shows how few people can actually judge when drama or character development is done WELL. So many people seem to equate character development to screentime and drama to 'sweeping music'.

Cheesey or badly executed. They had a reason for including that wheelchair, they didn't include that shot for no reason.

And I'm not saying that scene was really a good scene that you can judge my taste level when it comes to drama and character development.

[Hawkingbird]

I had no issues with it. I thought it appropriate, and it wasn't too dramatic or overdone.

[Wolvieboy17]

Originally Posted by psylockolossus

And I'm not saying that scene was really a good scene that you can judge my taste level when it comes to drama and character development.

You said you got teary in the funeral scene... I feel that gives me more than enough information to make a judgement call on your taste in drama and character development.

[psylockolussus]

Originally Posted by Wolvieboy17

You said you got teary in the funeral scene... I feel that gives me more than enough information to make a judgement call on your taste in drama and character development.

I was joking. And that entire funeral scene was to pay tribute to Professor X. I had no issues whatsoever with them showing the wheelchair since its symbolizes Professor X in a way.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yes, but the problem is it represents him in a ridiculously obvious way and it's handled badly. This is a guy who has his name on a school that is a beacon of tolerance and learning... Do you focus on a blackboard, with his teachings still written from the last class he taught? How about a photo of the first X-Men with Xavier there? Or a photo of him and Eric holding hands? Or his PhD or something? No, focus on an out of context wheelchair that symbolises nothing but visual recognition and his disability, which is a totally minor and superficial aspect of his character. It's like if Storm had died and the camera focused on her cape or Wolverine died and we get a shot of an empty tank top. There's no emotional significance to it, it's just a blatant reference to a character we only saw die abotu 1 minute ago. It's entirely empty.

[EnDz0n3]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

Same, unless those scenes were meant to be funny. But they weren't.

Were you joking with this statement too?

There are many scenes in many movies that were not meant to be funny but it's execution, left a lot to be desired, the audience cannot help but snicker, chuckle...cringe.

With...inexperienced filmmakers (*ahem*) this happens quite a bit. The wheelchair one-man-act in TLS counts as one for JP's and Wolvie's theatre.

Beast's furry introduction in the hangar in FC counts as one that made me cringe.

[psylockolussus]

Whatever you say Hawkingbird, I'm not gonna continue defending this wheelchair shot. Bottom-line, the whole funeral/tribute scene was not funny and I don't think that scene was really that bad as you are saying especially there are more terrible things that happened in X3.

[Wolvieboy17]

I found the same with Beasts reunion scene with Storm and co in X3.

Also, another thing that only occured to me when watching X3 again the other day... How about the way they just totally airbrushed over a mutant being in government? I mean, they go from X2 when there's still a lot of hostility over humans and mutants then in the gap between X2 and 3, people suddenly become a lot more accepting and tolerant to not only accept mutants but accept a giant, blue furry guy in public office?

That just seems so lazy to me. I mean, they skipped over what we would WANT to see. That struggle for acceptance by the public is far more interesting than the cure or Warren Worthington's emo "not afraid to jump through glass shirtless" shtick.

[EnDz0n3]

LOL poor Hawkingbird.

Speaking of Beast random inclusion as a Cabinet member in TLS, how BAD was that actor that played the president in X3? Too bad they couldn't get the same actor from X2. I think it might've been a scheduling conflict with a TV show he was already cast on.

[lordofthenerds]

Originally Posted by Wolvieboy17

Also, another thing that only occured to me when watching X3 again the other day... How about the way they just totally airbrushed over a mutant being in government? I mean, they go from X2 when there's still a lot of hostility over humans and mutants then in the gap between X2 and 3, people suddenly become a lot more accepting and tolerant to not only accept mutants but accept a giant, blue furry guy in public office?

Who knows. To me, X3 seemed to be in a completely different universe than the other two.

It's as if a 14 year old boy picked up the X-Men mantle. He understood the plots of the last two, and had a basic blueprint of where to go from there... but the underlying themes and the overall tone went completely over his head. The film frantically rushes from one scene to the next, carelessly killing major characters along the way, never sparing any time on a particular moment for the audience to actually take in what they're watching.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, another stupid scene is cyclops's 'death'. It's so vague and the dialogue is garbage.

Scott: Jean! How?

Jean: I don't know.

Oh, okay. Thanks guys, I'm sure this will be something explained later.

Prof X: I have no idea how she survived unless of course she was protected by cocooning herself in telekinetic energy.

WHAT?!?

[DarknessOfDeath]

yeah...I was like...huh? In no way did they did that and that scene justice of how Jean survived in the water. A better explanation could have been more precise. What's worse is that they didn't show her full rise out of the water. would have been cool if they did show her encased in flames as she was suspended in mid air.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, they cut corners like that a lot. The sentinel fight? So pointless. I mean, normally when a blockbuster crowbars in unnecessary action scenes there's at least some, you know, ACTION.

[DarknessOfDeath]

you know...X3 had potential to be so much more but the choices that fox made, which forced Singer to leave the project, just made it so much worse and as you watch the movie , it shows. I hope Fox learned their lesson, but I doubt that they have.

I mean don't get me wrong...for those who did like X3, to a certain extent, there were some good scenes - especially the ones with Scott/Jean ( though the dialogue needed improvement...) Jean/Logan and Jean/Xavier/Magneto and some other scenes with Kitty, I still feel that those scenes alone wasn't enough to hold the film together.

[Megaton Sun]

Here's how I look at it. To me X-Men: The Last Stand was like a One Shot or an Annual Special like they do in comics. It has the same lineup of characters (or actors in terms of film) and different artist/writers (director). So in my opinion TLS should not be considered to be "X3".

Same goes with the continuity of the films. Think of it like the comics.

X-Men and X2 are the main ongoing series.
X-Men: The Last Stand was the annual special that's not in continuity with the ongoing series.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine was the one time prequel issue.
X-Men: First Class is like the separate prequel/retcon issue, kinda like the Ultimate universe.
The Wolverine is probably like another annual special that's in continuity with TLS.
and X-Men: Days of Future Past connects the ongoing series (616) with the "Ultimate universe"

or I'm just thinking like this to help me forget TLS ever happened.

[EnDz0n3]

DOFP, in terms of comics marketing, is the the Big Summer Crossover Event.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I just hope Singer and co know what they're doing.