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Yeah, no doubt it couldnt have been worse considering what he was dealt in X3.
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Well if that one present movie turned out to be very successful. I don't think they should still do a First Class 3 movie. They should keep the momentum.
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It doesn't really matter how they were "meant" to be viewed, if an audience is viewing it a certain way on their own. Like most scenes in X3, Xavier's funeral was heavy handed, and lacked any bit of subtlety. |
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Cyclops actually had at least 2 more scenes after that. But those scenes didn't make the final cut. I thought the funeral scene was sad and I felt really bad for Professor X. I don't know about you, but when I watched X3 for the first time, I was about to cry when Storm was delivering her speech and Kitty was sobbing inside her room.
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I couldn't feel any emotion through staged tears.
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I've seen other movies do that too when a certain character died, they visit the person's room or the places that person went to when that person was still alive.
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Yeah, but it wasn't a character we know looking at a beloved memento of a dearly departed friend... It was a jarring quick cut to an empty wheelchair sitting in a room for no reason...
Wasn't he IN his main wheelchair when he died anyway? Why did he have another one just sitting in the middle of a room? It was SO obviously forced drama and that's why it sucked. The fact that it worked on you just shows how few people can actually judge when drama or character development is done WELL. So many people seem to equate character development to screentime and drama to 'sweeping music'. That single shot of Pyro looking at Bobby's family photos told us more about his character than ANY of his combined screentime in X3. In moves, less is more which is something Singer has always done well and something Ratner has no understanding of. The garbage script didn't help either. They may as well have changed Logan's name to "Maverick Renegade" and Magneto "HEARTLESS BAD GUY" for all the total lacking of subtext that film had. |
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And I'm not saying that scene was really a good scene that you can judge my taste level when it comes to drama and character development.
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I had no issues with it. I thought it appropriate, and it wasn't too dramatic or overdone.
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I was joking. And that entire funeral scene was to pay tribute to Professor X. I had no issues whatsoever with them showing the wheelchair since its symbolizes Professor X in a way.
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Yes, but the problem is it represents him in a ridiculously obvious way and it's handled badly. This is a guy who has his name on a school that is a beacon of tolerance and learning... Do you focus on a blackboard, with his teachings still written from the last class he taught? How about a photo of the first X-Men with Xavier there? Or a photo of him and Eric holding hands? Or his PhD or something? No, focus on an out of context wheelchair that symbolises nothing but visual recognition and his disability, which is a totally minor and superficial aspect of his character. It's like if Storm had died and the camera focused on her cape or Wolverine died and we get a shot of an empty tank top. There's no emotional significance to it, it's just a blatant reference to a character we only saw die abotu 1 minute ago. It's entirely empty.
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Whatever you say Hawkingbird, I'm not gonna continue defending this wheelchair shot. Bottom-line, the whole funeral/tribute scene was not funny and I don't think that scene was really that bad as you are saying especially there are more terrible things that happened in X3.
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I found the same with Beasts reunion scene with Storm and co in X3.
Also, another thing that only occured to me when watching X3 again the other day... How about the way they just totally airbrushed over a mutant being in government? I mean, they go from X2 when there's still a lot of hostility over humans and mutants then in the gap between X2 and 3, people suddenly become a lot more accepting and tolerant to not only accept mutants but accept a giant, blue furry guy in public office? That just seems so lazy to me. I mean, they skipped over what we would WANT to see. That struggle for acceptance by the public is far more interesting than the cure or Warren Worthington's emo "not afraid to jump through glass shirtless" shtick. |
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LOL poor Hawkingbird.
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It's as if a 14 year old boy picked up the X-Men mantle. He understood the plots of the last two, and had a basic blueprint of where to go from there... but the underlying themes and the overall tone went completely over his head. The film frantically rushes from one scene to the next, carelessly killing major characters along the way, never sparing any time on a particular moment for the audience to actually take in what they're watching. |
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Yeah, another stupid scene is cyclops's 'death'. It's so vague and the dialogue is garbage.
Scott: Jean! How? Jean: I don't know. Oh, okay. Thanks guys, I'm sure this will be something explained later. Prof X: I have no idea how she survived unless of course she was protected by cocooning herself in telekinetic energy. WHAT?!? |
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yeah...I was like...huh? In no way did they did that and that scene justice of how Jean survived in the water. A better explanation could have been more precise. What's worse is that they didn't show her full rise out of the water. would have been cool if they did show her encased in flames as she was suspended in mid air.
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Yeah, they cut corners like that a lot. The sentinel fight? So pointless. I mean, normally when a blockbuster crowbars in unnecessary action scenes there's at least some, you know, ACTION.
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you know...X3 had potential to be so much more but the choices that fox made, which forced Singer to leave the project, just made it so much worse and as you watch the movie , it shows. I hope Fox learned their lesson, but I doubt that they have.
I mean don't get me wrong...for those who did like X3, to a certain extent, there were some good scenes - especially the ones with Scott/Jean ( though the dialogue needed improvement...) Jean/Logan and Jean/Xavier/Magneto and some other scenes with Kitty, I still feel that those scenes alone wasn't enough to hold the film together.
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Here's how I look at it. To me X-Men: The Last Stand was like a One Shot or an Annual Special like they do in comics. It has the same lineup of characters (or actors in terms of film) and different artist/writers (director). So in my opinion TLS should not be considered to be "X3".
Same goes with the continuity of the films. Think of it like the comics. X-Men and X2 are the main ongoing series. X-Men: The Last Stand was the annual special that's not in continuity with the ongoing series. X-Men Origins: Wolverine was the one time prequel issue. X-Men: First Class is like the separate prequel/retcon issue, kinda like the Ultimate universe. The Wolverine is probably like another annual special that's in continuity with TLS. and X-Men: Days of Future Past connects the ongoing series (616) with the "Ultimate universe" or I'm just thinking like this to help me forget TLS ever happened. |
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DOFP, in terms of comics marketing, is the the Big Summer Crossover Event.
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I just hope Singer and co know what they're doing.
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