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Old 04-05-2013, 06:33 PM   #376
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Ben is so much better than Peter is or was Post Late 80's/Early 90's.

He wasn't such a damn idiot, his life sucked, yea, but he made the best of it.
He was always inventing new stuff, He had a great supporting cast.

He was on his own, wasn't shackled down by a Marriage that no one really wanted to write.

A lot of the stuff they brought Ben back for is what they wanted to, did to and are doing to Peter...

Only, they turned him into an idiot man-child along the way.

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What's happening right now is pretty exciting, I don't think any of us saw this kind of brand expansion coming. I guess the fact Superior has been selling in the 100k+ range consistently since its debut has led Marvel to do this...and I'm not complaining at all. This is some pretty interesting stuff going down. Not sure if I'll bother with the Superior Foes of Spider-Man or the Carnage mini, but I'm really excited for Avenging turning into Superior Team-Up and the upcoming Superior arc.

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Is it me, or do Spidey's new thugs seem like they are dressed as Ock's master planner thugs were back in the day?
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Okay, I just had a complete brainstorm.

The Green Goblin we saw in Superior Spider-Man #4 was not Norman Osborn. Norman is still in a coma. He was smuggled out of the hospital by the Green Goblin cultists (you know the one's who have Green Goblin tattoos?) who were the guards on duty watching over Osborn's bed, and did so on the order of the Green Goblin.

Nor is the Green Goblin Harry Osborn. As we saw in Amazing Spider-Man #697, Harry is in hiding (and looking like Walter White from Breaking Bad) raising his son, and has no interest in getting involved in whatever craziness that used to be his life. No reason why he would ever want to be the Green Goblin again when you take that into consideration.

No, the Green Goblin we saw in Superior Spider-Man #4 is actually Norman Osborn's other son--Gabriel Stacy. Yes, THAT Gabriel Stacy from THAT particular story.

After all, Gabriel was personally raised and groomed by Norman to be the inheritor of Osborn's legacy. He's someone we've seen who wants to please his father and earn his love. And we did see that, during the American Son mini I believe, that Norman Osborn did get in touch with him and give him his blessing. It would be pretty easy for some of the Goblin cultist to have gotten him out of the psychiatric hospital he was staying in after that. And as a dutiful son, why wouldn't Gabriel take his father out of a hospital where he could be looked after by people who are devoted to him? And given that he was a "Goblin" before and has the same powers as Norman, stands to reason that, as Norman's son, he would don his father's costume and take on his mantle as well.

Thus, the stage is being set for a new "Gang War." In one corner, you have Gabriel Stacy as the new Green Goblin with his army of tattooed Goblin cultists, seeking to avenge Norman Osborn by taking down "Spider-Man" once and for all. And, in the other corner, you have Doc Ock as Spider-Man along with his own "Spider Squad" as we saw depicted on the upcoming cover for Superior Spider-Man #14. Thus, you have the "mother of all Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin battles" with both "Spider-Man" and "Green Goblin" being the "inheritors" of each respective legacy.

Just an idea.

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Wasn't Gabriel last seen in a Stasis Tube though?

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wow, the insanity just never stops...

now a FOURTH print variant by Stegman...


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wow, the insanity just never stops...

now a FOURTH print variant by Stegman...

Aloha,
The price on some of these variants has gotten so outrageous, it's better to just keep tabs of the ones you like and wait at least 6 months.
I like the cover BTW.
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wow, the insanity just never stops...

now a FOURTH print variant by Stegman...

Awesome cover

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I don't care about the rest but the second one listed I have a big problem with. I have no qualms with Spidey being an outcast again but so help me, if Peter Parker goes back to living in his aunt's attic - I WILL START FIREBOMBING.
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I think one of the reasons people are liking SpOck is because of his bad ass attitude. Peter's not a complete boy scout but enough of one at times that people are getting sick of it.Also, this kid is a genius. He did invent both webbing and web shooters. He did develop a gps device and tracker as a teen ager(spider tracer). After SpOck ruins Peter's life, I still think that he should be able to do independent contracting work with Stark Industries or work with Reed Richards or even T'Challa in the rebuilding phase of Wakanda. There is no reason for this guy to be broke.
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Okay, I just had a complete brainstorm.

The Green Goblin we saw in Superior Spider-Man #4 was not Norman Osborn. Norman is still in a coma. He was smuggled out of the hospital by the Green Goblin cultists (you know the one's who have Green Goblin tattoos?) who were the guards on duty watching over Osborn's bed, and did so on the order of the Green Goblin.

Nor is the Green Goblin Harry Osborn. As we saw in Amazing Spider-Man #697, Harry is in hiding (and looking like Walter White from Breaking Bad) raising his son, and has no interest in getting involved in whatever craziness that used to be his life. No reason why he would ever want to be the Green Goblin again when you take that into consideration.

No, the Green Goblin we saw in Superior Spider-Man #4 is actually Norman Osborn's other son--Gabriel Stacy. Yes, THAT Gabriel Stacy from THAT particular story.

After all, Gabriel was personally raised and groomed by Norman to be the inheritor of Osborn's legacy. He's someone we've seen who wants to please his father and earn his love. And we did see that, during the American Son mini I believe, that Norman Osborn did get in touch with him and give him his blessing. It would be pretty easy for some of the Goblin cultist to have gotten him out of the psychiatric hospital he was staying in after that. And as a dutiful son, why wouldn't Gabriel take his father out of a hospital where he could be looked after by people who are devoted to him? And given that he was a "Goblin" before and has the same powers as Norman, stands to reason that, as Norman's son, he would don his father's costume and take on his mantle as well.

Thus, the stage is being set for a new "Gang War." In one corner, you have Gabriel Stacy as the new Green Goblin with his army of tattooed Goblin cultists, seeking to avenge Norman Osborn by taking down "Spider-Man" once and for all. And, in the other corner, you have Doc Ock as Spider-Man along with his own "Spider Squad" as we saw depicted on the upcoming cover for Superior Spider-Man #14. Thus, you have the "mother of all Spider-Man vs. Green Goblin battles" with both "Spider-Man" and "Green Goblin" being the "inheritors" of each respective legacy.

Just an idea.
Meh. If it is Gabriel then for me it is a less interesting prospect. I don't think Norman need always be the one true Green Goblin, but Gabriel is too tainted by the story he originated in. He's nothing but a constant reminder of it and I don't think I've seen the character do anything interesting since he was introduced.

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Meh. If it is Gabriel then for me it is a less interesting prospect. I don't think Norman need always be the one true Green Goblin, but Gabriel is too tainted by the story he originated in. He's nothing but a constant reminder of it and I don't think I've seen the character do anything interesting since he was introduced.
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Seems like someone managed to find that silver lining.

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I think one of the reasons people are liking SpOck is because of his bad ass attitude. Peter's not a complete boy scout but enough of one at times that people are getting sick of it.Also, this kid is a genius. He did invent both webbing and web shooters. He did develop a gps device and tracker as a teen ager(spider tracer). After SpOck ruins Peter's life, I still think that he should be able to do independent contracting work with Stark Industries or work with Reed Richards or even T'Challa in the rebuilding phase of Wakanda. There is no reason for this guy to be broke.
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Agreed. Slott did with Peter what most writers seem to forget to do: he made him a smart guy again.

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I think one of the reasons people are liking SpOck is because of his bad ass attitude. Peter's not a complete boy scout but enough of one at times that people are getting sick of it.Also, this kid is a genius. He did invent both webbing and web shooters. He did develop a gps device and tracker as a teen ager(spider tracer). After SpOck ruins Peter's life, I still think that he should be able to do independent contracting work with Stark Industries or work with Reed Richards or even T'Challa in the rebuilding phase of Wakanda. There is no reason for this guy to be broke.
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Except he can't hold a steady job that pays... when you go off for 3 days to save the Universe, you don't show up at work... and if you don't show up at work, you get fired...

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That doesn't mean he should live with his Aunt, but I would have no issues with him living in a small apartment and having money troubles on occasion.


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Except he can't hold a steady job that pays... when you go off for 3 days to save the Universe, you don't show up at work... and if you don't show up at work, you get fired...

[Doc Ock]Peter Parker... Brilliant... but lazy.[/Doc Ock] - Spider-Man 2

That doesn't mean he should live with his Aunt, but I would have no issues with him living in a small apartment and having money troubles on occasion.

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That's just why I said "contract work". No he can't hold a steady job, it's just not in the cards.But he has made enough friends in the super hero community who are also rich that he should be able to get some kind of work.Not rich, but not broke either.
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That might work... but even with contract work, you still have to meet scheduled deadlines...


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is it ME, or is this a REALLY badly done cover by Stegman?


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I'm not too keen on the thick black lines indicating some sort of glare or the maddening drool look.

It's certainly not the worst cover I've seen in my life.

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I don't know, that cover doesn't bother me.


This past issue of Superior was great! I really am enjoying this ride! And I know he has his critics on these boards, but I thought Ramos's art was great last issue (give or take a few odd anatomy problems in one or two panels). Can't wait to see him handle SpOck's battle with the Avengers!

And stillanerd, I really hate Sins Past and all things related, so I hope Slott doesn't bring Gabriel back. Unless of course, as Hobgoblin suggests, it's to kill him off.

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Meh. If it is Gabriel then for me it is a less interesting prospect. I don't think Norman need always be the one true Green Goblin, but Gabriel is too tainted by the story he originated in. He's nothing but a constant reminder of it and I don't think I've seen the character do anything interesting since he was introduced.
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And stillanerd, I really hate Sins Past and all things related, so I hope Slott doesn't bring Gabriel back. Unless of course, as Hobgoblin suggests, it's to kill him off.
Plus, it wouldn't be the first time Dan Slott has brought a character back just to kill that character off, either. Then again, this is just a theory.

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Here's another idea/theory I had for what could happen in issue #9:

After Doc Ock succeeds in expelliing Ghost Peter, in seems that Peter is now truly gone for good. However, later we see Peter wake up, confused as to his initial surroundings, only to see...Miquel O'Hara.

For it turns out that when Doc Ock expelled Ghost Peter, Ghost Peter ended up getting trapped in Uatu Jackson's "ghost catching device" (as mentioned in Avenging Spider-Man #15.1) or trapped in Doc Ock's neurological analyzer, etc. and was in stasis for nearly 90 years. Then, Alchemex scientists retrieved old Horizon Labs equipment and found the device, and, through the technology of 2099, is able to allow Ghost Peter to communicate but only as a hologram. Thus Peter is now stuck in the future, desperate to get back to the past. This is also how Miquel O'Hara could conceivably show up in Superior Spider-Man as well, as according to Dan Slott.

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Plus, it wouldn't be the first time Dan Slott has brought a character back just to kill that character off, either. Then again, this is just a theory.

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Here's another idea I had for what could happen in issue #9:

After Doc Ock succeeds in expelliing Ghost Peter, in seems that Peter is now truly gone for good. However, later we see Peter wake up, confused as to his initial surroundings, only to see...Miquel O'Hara.

For it turns out that when Doc Ock expelled Ghost Peter, Ghost Peter ended up getting trapped in Uatu Jackson's "ghost catching device" (as mentioned in Avenging Spider-Man #15.1) or trapped in Doc Ock's neurological analyzer, etc. and was in stasis for nearly 90 years. Then, Alchemex scientists retrieved old Horizon Labs equipment and found the device, and, through the technology of 2099, is able to allow Ghost Peter to communicate but only as a hologram. Thus Peter is now stuck in the future, desperate to get back to the past. This is also how Miquel O'Hara could conceivably show up in Superior Spider-Man as well, as according to Dan Slott.
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I don't know, that cover doesn't bother me.


This past issue of Superior was great! I really am enjoying this ride! And I know he has his critics on these boards, but I thought Ramos's art was great last issue (give or take a few odd anatomy problems in one or two panels). Can't wait to see him handle SpOck's battle with the Avengers!

And stillanerd, I really hate Sins Past and all things related, so I hope Slott doesn't bring Gabriel back. Unless of course, as Hobgoblin suggests, it's to kill him off.
I was introduced to Stegman's work through Superior #1, and I love him. I have to agree that this cover doesn't bother me at all either.
I'm not the HUGEST fan of Ramos, but something was different with issue 7. I liked it. Something in the curvature of spidey and his muscles I noticed.

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