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Old 07-19-2013, 04:15 AM   #826
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Ock nearly killed the Black Cat sending Spidey into a rage and he ended up nearly killing Ock for it. The whole thing left Ock traumatized with a case of arachnophobia and paranoia. He was kinda phased out of the book for a while, popping up in an occasional story about how he was dealing. He finally was snapped out of it by David Michelinie around ASM #295-297 and was back to full on evil pr**k mode by during the classic Return of the Sinister Six story.

It wasn't really 15 years he was gone, more like 5 or so.

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I just don't get the appeal for Doc Ock. I've never read a single comic with him where I thought, "Yeah, this guy's okay." If anything, when he showed up in a Spidey comic I was disappointed. Green Goblin has always been a more superior foe in my opinion, and I'd take just about anyone else in his rogues gallery as well.

My favorites have always been Green Goblin, Hobgoblin (both of them), Kingpin, Lizard, Shocker, Carnage, and Venom. I miss following the adventures of all these hooligans. Sadly, I don't like what's been done with most of them. Carnage and Venom are blob monsters and look nothing like what they used to. I don't like what they did with Lizard in Shed. Macendale's dead. I do like Shocker and Kingpin these days, though. I like Norman Osborn but he's not really been the Green Goblin for a decade or more save for a two-issue stint in Thunderbolts.

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Well, Ock hasn't always been used in the best of ways over time. Like I said earlier, Micheline's work was some of the best with the character and Slott has obviously made great use of him over his time on the book. Dan has put Ock back in his rightful place of being the #1 or #2 Spider-Man antagonist of all time.

The Lizard stuff has developed further since Shed. Now he's got the mind of Curt Connors and the body of the Lizard. I expect him to evolve further in that direction.

The best line in the recent issue of Superior (other than the "I own you" to JJJ) was at the end when SpOck was arranging to get some troops for his new base on The Raft. "I need, oh, sixty or seventy men. Ex-military. Men that can take orders....you know, minions." It's those little cracks....key words and phrases that make me love the hell out of the Superior era.

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Ock nearly killed the Black Cat sending Spidey into a rage and he ended up nearly killing Ock for it. The whole thing left Ock traumatized with a case of arachnophobia and paranoia. He was kinda phased out of the book for a while, popping up in an occasional story about how he was dealing. He finally was snapped out of it by David Michelinie around ASM #295-297 and was back to full on evil pr**k mode by during the classic Return of the Sinister Six story.

It wasn't really 15 years he was gone, more like 5 or so.
The ASM #296/297 was not the prevalent return we all hoped for... wimpy Ock was still the norm, and the Return of the Sinister Six was not as "classic" for me, as Ock was rather two-dimensional and really looked dumb in a white tux... seriously...

It was more like 15 years for me because his "proper" return was with the Jenkins' penned story arc in Peter Parker: Spider-Man circa 2002... maybe around issue #137??

THAT... to me... was the return of Doctor Octopus as I knew him...


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I thought the white suit was his best look and the only one that I actually liked. His look prior to Superior Spider-Man was by far his worst and most ridiculous.

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It didn't bother me. After all, he was dying.

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Good God. How long will Superior Spider-Man last? It's apparently going on for at least the next 3 months or so. I know people are enjoying it, but I miss Spidey and have been wanting to give it another try lately... but I don't want to read about Ock. I might try the Spidey 2099 arc, but any cameo and skim of Superior Spider-Man just annoys me.

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Well, at SDCC, Whacker claims that they're setting the stage after the 2099 arc that sets the seeds for the next 18-24 issues...

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As long as possible I hope. It's the most I have enjoyed the Spidey comics in YEARS.

Oh and Doc Ock is by FAR my favorite Spidey villain. The mega spot light attention he's been getting the last few years has been bliss.

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I would think it has at least 50 issues in it... 100 tops...

If it goes beyond that, maybe what Marvel says is true...


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I know a lot of you are loving this new take on the character.
But I gotta ask... If the book was once a month instead of twice, would you still be as into it?

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But I gotta ask... If the book was once a month instead of twice, would you still be as into it?
Probably, but it would be more difficult (in my opinion)... hard to say... we haven't been exposed to a good monthly Spider-Man title since 2008...


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Peter will be back. If I had money on it.....I'd say it will be at the end of 2014. The last issue of Superior will be in Nov/Dec and ASM will be back the following month. Just like how they did it this last time. I also think that when Peter does come back, we'll get a book named "Peter Parker: The Amazing Spider-Man", a nod to two of his past series. They'll want to cement that he's back and the cover will reflect that.

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I want the Superior title to continue even after Peter comes back. I think this whole arc is taking place to prove that Peter is the true Superior Spider-Man.

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I could see this being the next Clone Saga... starts out good but is dragged out way too long until it's a smear on the character's history.

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This is what I see happening:
Otto stays as a Spider regardless of if its in Peter's body.
Peter comes back. In his own body or another...
There will be 2 Spider-Man ongoing titles.
Superior Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man
Both will be written by Dan for a while, each will be only a Once a Month titles.
Dan will after setting Amazing up to a certain point will continue to write Superior and it will jump back up to a Twice a Month title.
Gage will take over Amazing and it might become a Twice a Month title.

 
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Or maybe there will be Reign of the Spider-Men. There will be an armored one, a vigilante one with a visor, a half cyborg Spidey and a teenage clone Spidey with a leather jacket.

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I highly doubt that's gonna happen. The name change is going to be key. Marvel is going to want this book on stands basically screaming out that it's Peter back under the mask. It's all about marketing.

I want all this cool tech to stay. Peter is going to have one thing when he comes back.....a doctorate. He'll forever be Dr. Peter Parker and will never have job issues again. The only thing is JJJ will despise him more than ever, MJ will be more distant and every hero won't trust him, not even the Punisher. Spidey (as a hero) needs to have the odds stacked against him again. It would be a nice twist to the "hero that could be you" line. Would you really want to be that hero if you're personal life was better than your alias?

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Well, the stuff Dan Slott hinted in his interview with Comic Book Resources and in the one he gave at Newsarama regarding "the lasting effects on Spider-Man, the cast, and the rest of the Marvel Universe," the "heart breaking" developments, and "the lasting effects," I'm guessing the following possible developments which I'm sure somebody will tell me I'm wrong, wrong, wrong.

*After teaming-up with Miquel O'Hara to save Tiberius Stone, SpOck double-crosses him and kills Stone, believing it's the "responsible" thing to do in order to prevent him from founding Alchemex. This, of course, results in the 2099 timeline being erased from existence. However, due to some "whibly-wobbly, timey-whimy," Miquel O'Hara is able to survive being erased himself and winds up stuck in the present day with no way of getting back home to his original time. This, of course, allows for the possibility of a new Spider-Man 2099 series should Marvel choose to have one.

*SpOck, on the verge of completing his doctorate as Peter, goes to Max Modell and reveals that he secretly purchased the majority of the Horizon Labs stock, thus making him the actual owner of Horizon Labs. And as his first act, he fires Modell from his own company and makes himself the new CEO and relocates the headquarters of Horizon Labs to "Spider-Island II."

*Upon encountering the Black Cat, SpOck, because he no longer has Peter's memories, will treat her just like any other criminal, and thus she will feel betrayed that "her Spider" now "hates" her so much, probably blaming herself for "driving him away."

*In Superior Spider-Man #21, SpOck battles with his ex-girlfriend, Stunner, who, seeks revenge against "Spider-Man" for killing her beloved. However, since the real Stunner is in a coma, this Stunner is really a "virtual-reality ghost" of who she once was. Thus, after defeating her, SpOck is forced to remove Stunner from life-support to prevent future "ghosts" from emerging.

*SpOck proposes...to Anna Maria Marconi, much to the shock of Aunt May, as she was not expecting her "nephew's new fiancee" to be a little person. This, along with SpOck taking over Horizon Labs the way he did, begins to wonder if something is seriously wrong with "Peter." Likewise, when Mary Jane hears the news, it convinces her even more that something more is going on besides "Peter" acting like a different person, becoming even more determined to try and get in touch with Carlie to find out what is really going on.

*Considering that Flash was the guy who always rooted for Spidey no matter what, and who, in spite of not knowing that Spidey was really "Puny Parker," had a better, instinctive grasp of what was really going on with Spidey than most of the other cast members, I imagine that during or after his encounter with SpOck, Flash is going to say something to someone along the lines of, "I don't who that is or how it happened, but I'm telling you--that's not the real Spider-Man!" And of course, no one will believe him.

*Carlie, after conducting the autopsy on Alistair Smythe, finds that there is a recording of SpOck's confession, thus giving her the evidence she needs. Unfortunately for her, SpOck gets wind of this via his spider-bots, and has his minions go after her, resulting in the death of Captain Watanabee, and Carlie framed for her murder and thus becomes a fugitive.

*Harry Osborn and his son are kidnapped by members of the Goblin Cult and brought back to New York to the Green Goblin, or rather the Goblin King, who tells Harry that he needs his help in stopping Spider-Man. Believing that the Goblin King is his father, Norman, Harry outright refuses, saying how he's done nothing but ruin his life and wants nothing more to do with him. The Goblin King then says "I didn't want to have to do this, but you leave me no other choice." He then removes his mask to reveal the face of...PETER PARKER!

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It's hard to tell you that you're wrong wrong wrong when most of the time, you're dead on.

For the record, I do agree that in some way, that's Peter under the Goblin King mask.

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He was in an issue of Avenging Spider-Man. He took over one of Mr. Sinister's labs.

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Well, the stuff Dan Slott hinted in his interview with Comic Book Resources and in the one he gave at Newsarama regarding "the lasting effects on Spider-Man, the cast, and the rest of the Marvel Universe," the "heart breaking" developments, and "the lasting effects," I'm guessing the following possible developments which I'm sure somebody will tell me I'm wrong, wrong, wrong.

The Goblin King then says "I didn't want to have to do this, but you leave me no other choice." He then removes his mask to reveal the face of...PETER PARKER!

Sometimes, I'm afraid to read your speculation, because it comes so close to what happens. But, if Pete somehow turns out to be the Goblin King, that would be AWESOME!

I mean Ock as Spidey vs. Pete as Goblin (and maybe Norman)? That would be EPIC!

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