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Old 04-18-2015, 04:43 AM   #1
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This is a theory regarding the plot of The Force Awakens. Feel free to comment.

Before the names of the new characters were announced, there was a rumor of Daisy Ridley's character being named Kira. Some observers have juxtaposed Kira with "Rey" to form the name Kira Rey. The name "Kira" has now been confirmed as being Rey's name, as her speeder is officially known as "Kira's Bumper Car."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9oUiu-bw5w

That looks an awful lot like the name Kylo Ren. It seems to go along with "Luke" and "Leia" both being names that start with the same letter.

The narration at the start of the most recent trailer, meanwhile, certainly is a re-use of the lines from Return of the Jedi, but also appears to hint at the plot of the upcoming film -- that another character aside from Anakin, Luke, and Leia will have the power of The Force. There are those who believe it to be Rey, although it's clear to some degree that Kylo Ren will also have these abilities.

I've concluded, thus, that we may have the story of two siblings -- one good, one evil. This seems to borrow from the EU storyline of Jacen and Jaina Solo: Jacen turned evil; his sister Jaina was trained by Boba Fett and she later became a Jedi Master. There were rumors of Boba training Rey in the new film.

I turn my attention now to a piece of leaked concept art that has now been confirmed to be official in the trailer. The concept art depicts the damaged Vader helmet that we see in Trailer #2.

What's interesting, however, is that we see a figure holding the helmet. This figure is cloaked, wears a sinister mask, and has a cybernetic hand. I've hidden the concept image between spoiler tags here.
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In the most recent trailer, we see a figure in a robe with a cybernetic hand. He is crouched next to R2-D2, and appears when the narrator says "I have it." We assume this to be Luke Skywalker. There are multiple conclusions we can draw.



1. This is Luke Skywalker. For whatever reason, he is wearing a mask. He has turned to the Dark Side, and has trained Kylo Ren.

2. This is Kylo Ren. Ren is inspired by Vader to become evil. That means the figure featured with the cloak and cybernetic hand is Kylo Ren, not Luke. R2-D2 belongs to Ren.

Ultimately, the conclusion is that Kylo and Kira are siblings, children of a Skywalker. The essence of Darth Vader has affected Kylo and he has turned to the Dark Side. Luke Skywalker may or may not be evil.

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Old 04-18-2015, 03:30 PM   #2
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i think kira and kylo are siblings, i don't think they're luke's but those picks definitely make you wonder. maybe kylo suffered some trauma and and ended up maimed like his grandfather and uncle.

too bad there doesn't seem to be an anakin solo. wasn't his death the catalyst that turned jacen toward the darkside?

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Interesting theory that I could get behind.

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This has been known for some time and speculated on these very forums for a long time. It really seems to be the case. Also you can't have those leaked pictures on here, you can get banned for them. I'd take that off.

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If that concept art really is Luke, I'd certainly like to know how his face became so messed up.

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If that concept art really is Luke, I'd certainly like to know how his face became so messed up.
Being the son of Darth Vader can't be easy so there would possibly have been a lot of people out to get Luke over the years for fear of him going to the dark side so Luke had to do a lot of fighting & with that came a lot of battle scars. It may or may not be Luke & that could or couldn't be the reason the person wears a mask but it is fun to speculate.

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That concept art is not Luke, it's Kylo Ren without the mouthpiece on the mask. There are rumors floating around that Ren is impersonating Vader and the First Order doesn't know what to make of him. He also reportedly has a "conversation" with that deformed Vader helmet.

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That concept art is not Luke, it's Kylo Ren without the mouthpiece on the mask. There are rumors floating around that Ren is impersonating Vader and the First Order doesn't know what to make of him. He also reportedly has a "conversation" with that deformed Vader helmet.
Calling it now... Kylo Ren cuts his own hand off in a bid to become more like Vader.

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That's Luke in the screen shot. It is from this set pic shown at the Celebration panel:

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This is a theory regarding the plot of The Force Awakens. Feel free to comment.

Before the names of the new characters were announced, there was a rumor of Daisy Ridley's character being named Kira. Some observers have juxtaposed Kira with "Rey" to form the name Kira Rey. The name "Kira" has now been confirmed as being Rey's name, as her speeder is officially known as "Kira's Bumper Car."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9oUiu-bw5w
That is actually a fan-made prop. Not official. If it was a real prop it would have been on the main floor with the Force Awakens costumes and the replica ships. But it is on the floor with all the toys and games.

Celebration Anaheim 2015: 501st Legion Belgian Garrison "Kira Bumper Car" 1:1 Scale Replica
"While we are still catching up form technical difficulties that couldn't have hit us at a busier time, our Celebration Anaheim 2015 must continue, and this time out we have a gallery showing off the 501st Legion Belgian Garrison "Kira Bumper Car" 1:1 scale replica. Follow this link to check out the recreation of Rey's speeder, which was officially revealed on Thursday morning."

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I've concluded, thus, that we may have the story of two siblings -- one good, one evil. This seems to borrow from the EU storyline of Jacen and Jaina Solo: Jacen turned evil; his sister Jaina was trained by Boba Fett and she later became a Jedi Master. There were rumors of Boba training Rey in the new film.
That is the vibe I am feeling too.

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That is because you don't want to admit this has nothing to do with that non-canon EU.

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Boba Fett is no more.

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I thought House of Mouse made it official he survived?

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he's most likely dead, but they're probably use him for the spin-off movies. I'm curious if they're gonna keep his New Zealand accent though. If they ever, EVER release the original thericial cuts of the original films with Boba's original, cooler American voice, would they make Boba American again?

In theory, if he were away from the clones, he can lose the accent. Or it could be the crazy rumor that the original Boba gets killed and it became a mantle.

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he's most likely dead, but they're probably use him for the spin-off movies. I'm curious if they're gonna keep his New Zealand accent though. If they ever, EVER release the original thericial cuts of the original films with Boba's original, cooler American voice, would they make Boba American again?

In theory, if he were away from the clones, he can lose the accent. Or it could be the crazy rumor that the original Boba gets killed and it became a mantle.
An accent has everything to do with who taught you how to speak the language. If you learn English in Scotland, you'll have a Scottish accent; learn it in Australia and you'll have an Australian accent. It depends on who taught him English; I don't know why any of the clones would have New Zealand accents unless they all learned English in New Zealand. You aren't born with a New Zealand accent.

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That is because you don't want to admit this has nothing to do with that non-canon EU.
I actually don't care much for the EU. I never read any of it and know very little of it aside from a few Wikipedia articles I've read.

That said, I see aspects that borrow from what I do know of the EU, which is that Han and Leia have at least one child. That looks like it's going to be the case in this film. In the EU, one of the children goes bad and his sister is the hero who stops him. Kylo Ren and Kira Rey are peculiarly similar names. That connection seems plausible as well.

Aside from those basic potential plot points, there probably isn't much relation to the EU. I don't even know enough about the EU to draw any other specific parallels.


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Here's my take on it all.

Trailer 2 Narrator: IS Luke Skywalker. The reference to my father has it as opposed to had it refers to the theory of the living Force held by Qui Gon Jinn who was Obi Wan's Mentor who was Luke's first mentor, and Yoda is also a proponent of this theory of the Force because he makes his home on Degobah, a planet teeming with life, he was friends with Wookies, creatures close to nature on Kashyyk, and the fact Yoda tells Obi Wan he can teach Obi Wan how to commune with the Force and communicate with the Force Spirit of Qui Gon in Episode III. As such all three predecessors to Luke were believers in the Living Force and not only Qui Gon can manifest as a Force spirit,but Obi Wan learned how to as evidenced by Empire Strikes back and at the end of Return of the Jedi we see Anakin was permitted to manifest as a Force Spirit which means he too held to the teachings of his Master in the Living Force theory before his fall to become Vader. When he was redeemed he returned to that, and because he was the chosen one had the power to manifest as a Force Spirit even if he did not study as much as Qui Gon Yoda and Obi Wan in how to do so.

SO to say "My father has it" is just saying that Luke believes in the Living Force and likely communes with his redeemed fathers Force Spirit from time to time so to Luke, his father is not really gone. Neither is Yoda or Obi Wan.

Next, "My sister has it" again refer to Ep VI when he speaks to Leia. It's Leia. Simple enough.

"You have that power too" is also something Luke said to his sister Leia because she said her brother has a power she didnt understand and could never have. But it can also conveniently be applied to his children and to Leia's as Luke also said in Ep Vi that "The Force is strong in my family."

Where does that leave us in Episode VII?

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Kylo Ren is Luke's Son. He took the name Kylo Ren to hide his identity as a Skywalker. Since he admires his grandfather when his grandfather served the dark side, and since Vader shirked his name Anakin to become Vader, (i.e. "That name no longer holds any meaning for me." - Vader to Luke in Ep VI), so too has Kylo shirked the Skylwalker name and becomes Kylo Ren. The plot mystery is what is Kylo's name before he becomes Kylo Ren? It is _____ Skywalker.

I think it would be a perfect reversal and continuation of the family plague that faces Luke and his family. First his father needed to be redeemed....now his son needs to be redeemed.

Luke is now a bearded recluse Jedi Master living in exile, like Obi Wan, and Yoda, has to come out of exile and train new Jedi to face his son because just like Obi Wan did not have the heart or strength in old age to battle Sidious and Vader, neither does Luke have the heart to kill his own son if he cannot redeem him, so he carries that secret and burden and will not tell his young Jedi protege who Kylo really is. Perhaps Luke tried to train his son to become a Jedi and his son fell from grace which lead Luke to go into exile because it pained and hurt him so. And as such, there will be a great reveal...

"I am Luke's son." - Kylo.

I think Kira Rey Solo or Rey Solo or whatever her name is, is Han and Leia's daughter and she may well be Force Sensitive but because she is like her father Han she wants nothing to do with the politics and "hokey religion" of the Jedi and Sith but like her mother Leia demonstrates strength and agility and skill for combat like her mother and father and excellent reflexes on account of her force sensitive nature.

It may well be that Kylo Ren wants to recruit his cousin Kira/Rey Solo to the Dark Side, as they probably had a good relationship growing up and he still feels that bond. Like Anakin as Vader, Kylo still has some manner of heart. He is a Skywalker afterall, albeit twisted like his grandfather Vader in his perspective by the Dark Side.

If the rumours about Han being killed by Kylo and being an adversary of Kylo are true, it would make sense to me that Kylo needs to rid Kira Rey of her father's influence so he can turn her to the Dark Side. If Han protects his daughter from the First Order and this Sith who he does not know is Luke's son and his nephew, then a pinnacle fight could happen between them. Perhaps Han has also killed many members of the Empire and the First Order and frustrates Kylo's efforts to sieze control of the Galaxy through the First Order and as such he has earned enough hatred for his uncle to want to be rid of him for more than one motive. One, to remove his barrier to his cousin Rey, two, to get revenge on Han for being an adversary. Han likely dies trying to rescue his daughter from the clutches of Kylo and he either never learns who Kylo is or Kylo demoralizes Han as he dies by making the reveal that he is Luke's son just to screw with Han's mind as he dies...seems like a very Sith thing to do.

Kylo has Vader's helmet as a relic of admiration for all his Sith Grandfather accomplished as the Sithari and the Chosen One. For Vader was indeed both. Plus if Kylo is learning from Sith Holocrons of Darth Plageuis he would recognize his Grandfather as being the Sithari as Plageuis had the Power of the Dark Side to create life. (Refer to Palpatine's conversation with anakin in Episode III about Darth Plagueis).

Plagueis created Anakin/Vader in the womb of Schmi his mother, because by Schmi's account Anakin had no father, he was born of the Force itself. This would cause Kylo to admire his Grandfather as a Sith Legend and Darth Plageius as a truly powerful Sith who knows the secret of how to create life, a secret Vader lusted to know to save Padme from his nightmarish premonitions of her death but a secret he never learned. Kylo wishes to take up that mantle and master the one Dark Side Secret his Grandfather could not to prove he is more powerful...which is a common Sith obsession.

Now, if Kira Rey Solo is rebellious and wont take the Jedi Mantle...who shall Luke train to confront his son?

Fenn. The ex Trooper. There is a scene where Fenn is seen with a Lightsaber strapped to himself as he runs with Rey.

Thus, "The Force Awakens" in someone NO ONE expected it would....Fenn. And Luke sees this and sees hope to turn the tide of the Dark Side with Fenn's help as Fenn can become the next generation Jedi with no family ties to Kylo. A perfect hero to confront Kylo. And like Obi Wan, Luke won't tell Fenn the whole truth about who Kylo is just as Obi Wan did not tell Luke the whole truth about Vader (i.e. he is Luke's father).

Perhaps Luke hands the light saber to his niece Rey at one point hoping she will learn the ways of the force but eventually she gives it to Fenn who is seen in a scene in the trailer with it strapped to his side.....Again taking into account Rey is a supporting hero with Fenn and recognizes his power in the Force and supports him on his path to become a Jedi as she is a competent Force Sensitive in her own right but wants to continue to "do things her own way" rather than become a Jedi herself ...chip off the old Solo block.

The robotic hand on R2D2 is Luke's. He has come out of exile and perhaps the lack of flesh on his robotic hand is due to many battles fought in the past 30 years. Recall that Anakin had a very rudimentary robotic arm when he first lost his hand in Episode II when he married Padme and by Episode III he had changed /upgraded his robot hand. Who is to say Luke did not take an upgrade to his robot hand in the 30 years since the Battle of Endor? Seems plausible enough to me...

Or it could be Kylo as he was being trained to be a Jedi by his father Luke before his fall to the Dark Side. Could be a flash back scene. Wouldn't be the first time poor R2D2 found himself in the presence of a Jedi destined to fall to the Dark Side...First Anakin, then Kylo
aka ____ Skywalker?

All of this seems to give the latest installment of the Star Wars Saga a nice neat tie in to everything done previous to it and would be literary story genius, and also seems more Disney Appropriate than any theory involving Kylo being the progeny of incest, which I dismiss as totally ridiculous.

How is THAT for a wicked Episode VII plot line Theory??


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Another cool idea would be that Yoda was right all along about Luke and Luke becomes the Sith Lord Kylo Ren and everyone is wrong about Kylo being played by either Andy Serkis or Adam Driver....lol.

"Once down the Dark Path you tread....forever will it dominate your destiny." - Yoda to Luke.

And Luke kinda went Dark side a couple times in Ep VI. Force choking the gammorean guards, threatening to kill Jabba, and displaying a bit of arrogance about his power in the force, going Rage on his father Vader when Vader threatened to turn Leia...all Dark side moments....but he pulled himself together and came back.

He also failed the test in the Dark Side Cave on Degobah in Episode V.

So Luke falling is not totally out of the question.

Besides, Mark Hamill has played some kick ass villains in his career since his Star Wars Days...he could totally pull it off...lol

(I am sort of kidding but it would be pretty awesome if it was true...lolol).

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It'd be terrible if it were true. Would spit right in RotJ's finale and point, really.

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Driver is Kylo Ren. Let's just stop it already.

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A twist would not be out of the question.

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Not with what has leaked the last yaer. It is Driver. He is the only one that fits the build, his own words on what the movie heavily hint at it, and he was reported by Variety as being cast as the new Darth Vader. It is Driver.

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Not with what has leaked the last yaer. It is Driver. He is the only one that fits the build, his own words on what the movie heavily hint at it, and he was reported by Variety as being cast as the new Darth Vader. It is Driver.
Well I know that. I'm more thinking that Luke can be dark side, god forbid.

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Well I know that. I'm more thinking that Luke can be dark side, god forbid.
Luke is not turning to the darkside. I feel safe in saying this now.

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Luke is not turning to the darkside. I feel safe in saying this now.
Agreed. But in my 107 am posting above, It does not rule out Kylo being Luke's son as a nice plot twist .

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