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Old 02-19-2013, 06:16 AM   #326
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Ahhh well although the Dark Knight isn't my favourite (Top 5 though) I can understand why you'd put it there. Also you're preaching to the choir on Incredibles, its well incredible lol I can't believe we haven't gotten a sequel to it.

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Ahhh well although the Dark Knight isn't my favourite (Top 5 though) I can understand why you'd put it there. Also you're preaching to the choir on Incredibles, its well incredible lol I can't believe we haven't gotten a sequel to it.
I know! Apparently Bird and Co. haven't thought of a sequel idea that they really, really love and don't just want to force one out for the sake of it. I respect that.

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Hell yes to both of those.



People have mentioned this Avengers stuff a couple of times now. What did he say exactly?
Tbh; I can' remember exactly.lol..but I think he said something about how Hulk or Thor would fight EVERY member of the group, etc..or something about the "Inhumans" being present in the film as well, etc.

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In an Avengers like cast, Cavill could easily shine, but between 6 Oscar winners and nominees, it's not easy not to "look lacking", especially when you play one of the less dramatic characters.

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I know! Apparently Bird and Co. haven't thought of a sequel idea that they really, really love and don't just want to force one out for the sake of it. I respect that.
Oh yeah so do I. I'd rather they left it alone than tarnish it. Ill be honest I'm shocked that Disney didn't do an animated series though. Not that I'd have watched it mind but you could totally see how they could have done an animated series. Ah well at least we got Megamind from Dreamworks :d

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It is almost like they've taken the Latino Review positive reaction buzz and just spinned it into that isn't it.

If on the off chance they do have an actual scoop here. I wouldn't be surprised it looks amazing, if anything I'm confident its going to be my favourite film of all-time.
Well, they did have someone on set send them pictures and a scene description. That person could have been invited to the screening and offered a report.

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Not having seen MOS yet, I shall delay my review of Cavill’s performance.

But some general thoughts… My idea of a properly realized cinematic Superman is the “Gary Cooper” type - strong and silent, calm and confident, reserved and often enigmatic. In other words, it’s not the kind of role that (imo) readily lends itself to a dynamic, histrionic, Oscar bait sort of performance.

Christopher Reeve gets deserved praise for his work in STM. But in large part, this was because the role (as written) offered a showcase for his thespian range - stalwart and serious (for the stereotypical Superman lines); warm and cutesy (while rescuing kittens or flirting with Lois); comically buffoonish as Clark Kent. Reeve’s talent isn’t at issue. But it might be argued that his virtuoso efforts were not, actually, in the best service of the character. Certainly, some have complained that his CK was a bit over-the-top, that CK shouldn’t be comic relief. And in retrospect, the puppy-love scenes with Lois come across as a tad too forced and saccharine. Now if Reeve/Donner had dialed some of this back, I think they would have gotten a truer depiction of Supes/CK. But of course, Reeve probably wouldn’t have received as many accolades for a more subdued and constrained performance. So I think it comes down to what you’re rooting for: the actor (his awards, reputation and future career) or doing right by the character and story.

If Cavill ends up being wooden and bland, I won’t hesitate to say so. But I’m not expecting (nor do I want) Daniel Day-Lewis-style soliloquies or Tony Stark-esque wise-cracks. I want “Gary Cooper” as Superman. I think - hope - Cavill can handle that much.

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^it is gonna be some tough opinions on the superman character imo someone's opinion of calm and reserved could be boring for someone else

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Old 02-19-2013, 09:56 AM   #334
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the acting has a lot to do with the script. if you find an actor who knows how to act the best with the script you won. imagine if Iron Man was not rewritten on set for RDJ? you would only had good ILM effects.

for example i dont like emo sad superheroes. since this is now the norm in hollywood i am f.. up. so when rating the acting i try to think about that.

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George Reeves' portrayal of Superman was entirely different from that of Christopher Reeve. I would even argue that Brandon Routh's Superman was not a copy of Christopher Reeve's Superman.

Routh's Superman was quiet and reserved and his Clark Kent was someone who blended into background rather than drawing attention to himself (which Chris Reeve's clumsy Clark Kent did.)


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Alyn is different from Reeves who is different from Reeve who is different from Routh who will be different from Cavill.

They're all playing the same basic character, yes. Just with their own traits, tones, mannerisms, etc. Not unlike the many actors to played Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Hamlet or James Bond.


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So far my biggest concern with the movie is that it may be so serious and realistic that it becomes joyless. You have the risk of watching a quality film but one that lacks fun. There is a balance. It's Snyder's biggest challenge. To make it less campy, more modern, but still keep some sense of joy and wonder. I'm optimistic. But cautious.

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So IMDB says MOS is 148 minutes long. That was not there a few days ago. Think it's legit or another one of IMDB's user jokes? Could be legit since the film got rated and is (according to IMDbPro) completed as of January 21st.

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I think that would actually be a good screen time. Right around two and half hours. Enough time to tell a big story without dragging things out pass the two and a half hour mark.

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So far my biggest concern with the movie is that it may be so serious and realistic that it becomes joyless. You have the risk of watching a quality film but one that lacks fun. There is a balance. It's Snyder's biggest challenge. To make it less campy, more modern, but still keep some sense of joy and wonder. I'm optimistic. But cautious.
That's one of the main reasons why I'm glad this isn't just a Nolan film. As much as I love the TDK trilogy, I don't think that style of uber serious neccesarily suits Superman. I mean it'd be nice too see a few of the themes and what makes Superman so complex explored, but you still wanna have, like you said, that sense of fun.

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It's a delicate balance. I don't want two hours of CGI eye candy. I don't want two hours of somber soul searching either.

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148 mins ?
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Not having seen MOS yet, I shall delay my review of Cavill’s performance.

But some general thoughts… My idea of a properly realized cinematic Superman is the “Gary Cooper” type - strong and silent, calm and confident, reserved and often enigmatic. In other words, it’s not the kind of role that (imo) readily lends itself to a dynamic, histrionic, Oscar bait sort of performance.

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If Cavill ends up being wooden and bland, I won’t hesitate to say so. But I’m not expecting (nor do I want) Daniel Day-Lewis-style soliloquies or Tony Stark-esque wise-cracks. I want “Gary Cooper” as Superman. I think - hope - Cavill can handle that much.
Excellent post sir. And a few things you mentioned of Reeve are precisely why I don't hold him on as high a pedestal as many others. He isn't my ideal vision of how Superman should be portrayed.

I'll say this, at the end of the day to me it only matters what I, as a Superman fan, think of Cavill and his performances.

For example, I am not a fan of James Bond. Haven't read any of the books, seen maybe 3 movies. But I went to see Skyfall because a few people literally dragged me. I thought Craig looked good, physically and was OK, but if I had to give an impression of him afterwards I could say that he was fine but easily replaceable. Because I can see many other actors looking good and tough while delivering a one note performance throughout that film. But most Bond fans praise him and say he's going to be very tough to follow. I don't see it but I'll trust their judgment since I know little about Bond.

Same thing with Routh. I know many people who really liked him but funny enough most of them are the GP. Among actual Superman fans those who really like him (based on my experience) are in the minority. I hated him (mostly not to his own fault) precisely because im such a big fan of the character.

So it's quite possible I'll love (or hate) Cavill more than anyone before him while a lot of the audience and critics are lukewarm to him, either because he wont be what their preconceived notion of Superman (mostly how Reeve did it) is or because the role won't be a very dynamic one either through script or Snyder's direction or both.

And honestly with oscar caliber actors such as Crowe, Shannon and Adams in the movie all with probably more dynamic roles than Cavill's it won't be surprising if he comes across as only OK in comparison. That still doesn't mean he won't be a fantastic Superman.

And I won't start to get worried until I see some tv spots/clips, new trailer and start hearing reports from a bigger (more reliable) group of people. I mean, Snyder got a great performance out Gerard Butler of all people! I find it hard to believe he couldn't direct Cavill to a great Superman.

But if he's playing CK/Supes based on Earth One, I hate it already!


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So IMDB says MOS is 148 minutes long. That was not there a few days ago. Think it's legit or another one of IMDB's user jokes? Could be legit since the film got rated and is (according to IMDbPro) completed as of January 21st.
Some people who have registered over at IMDB tend to give false misleading data.

But you also have to take into account that some people are working for the Studio, who are also members of IMBD, and they can remove any false info and correct it, as Studio would not like to spread wrong info about a soon to be released big budget movie.

So, the info may not be reliable but if it stays there for some time, it could be true.

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A big part of a Superman performance is screen presence. In my mind you have to appear onscrean and capture everyone's attention. Not with over the top thespian acting. But through sheer presence. I think that's what helped Chris Reeve. Even when he wasn't saying anything in a scene you were aware of his presence. Cavill doesn't need to match Shannon and Crowe. But he can't be swallowed up by them either.

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And I won't start to get worried until I see some tv spots/clips, new trailer and start hearing reports from a bigger (more reliable) group of people. I mean, Snyder got a great perfromance out Gerard Butler of all people! I find it hard to believe he couldn't direct Cavill to a great Superman.
I agree that Snyder can get good performance out of many actors, so that is a positive thing about MOS.

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Why can't people who was at the screening come out and speak.They did for Pacific Rim.They don't have to spoil the movie.Just tell us did they like it, love it ect, like people did with Pacific Rim.Wb didn't mind that.

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If you look at the tallent around henry in this movie thats why his performance may be off a lil ...there are some really really good actors around him ...i wouldn't have it any other way ...i think he's gonna be perfect!

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I'm not going to put all my faith in the twitter guy. But I'm not going to make any excuses for Cavill if he's not good. I rather he be great and Shannon or someone else to be underwhelming.

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