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Old 03-06-2013, 09:43 PM   #476
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Aye, Mad Ones.

My partner HATES Halle Berry's Storm. I mean, it's like...on levels of despicable for him. But when I texted him that she was coming back, I thought his response was very interesting:

"Get the f*** out. Really? I thought she and Bryan hated eachother. Glad Storm will be in this."

And I think his sentiments reflect a lot of us. He knows that if they're gonna do DoFP, Storm has a right to be in the storyline even though he's not a fan of the actress who plays her. Some fans simply tolerate Halle Berry because of their love of Storm. For me, my focus is on Storm and getting the character right--no matter who rocks the wig. I've been pretty hard on Halle and at times also defended her. It's weird. I have more respect for her after what she accomplished for the character in X3. So while she's still not my ideal Storm, I certainly have come to accept her.

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While Storm may not be my fave character, I don't mind that its Halle Berry portraying Storm...I do find her tolerable so I don't really care who hates her.

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Is there a hope that Vaughn's team will do the rewrites? I'm just very concerned about this script situation. The reason why First Class did so well is because the writing was smart and sophisticated. I wasn't thrilled with the selection of characters, but even I can't take away the credit the film deserves for its style and execution.

And I don't think Simon Kinberg touched that script, am I correct?
Your wrong Kinberg did last round of polishing on the script for first Class.He worked as on set script doctor.

Kinberg was writing DOFP with Vaughn when Vaughn was going to direct.

Since Bryan Singer has never been credited as screenwriter on any of his films only story writer I am Inclined to believe Dan harris and Michael Dougherty were pictured with Bryan because they are doing some work on DOFP under his supervision.Remember untill the writing credit was announced for First LCass noone know Vaughn had actully written for First Class.

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I am Inclined to believe Dan harris and Michael Dougherty were pictured with Bryan because they are doing some work on DOFP under his supervision.Remember untill the writing credit was announced for First LCass noone know Vaughn had actully written for First Class.
I really, truly, definitely, sincerely hope you're right.

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That could very well be why Harris and Dougherty were hanging out with Singer, as per that twitpic.

And if that's the case, I'm a happy camper.
He said they were working on a "secret project". DoFP is not a secret project.


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Is there a hope that Vaughn's team will do the rewrites? I'm just very concerned about this script situation. The reason why First Class did so well is because the writing was smart and sophisticated. I wasn't thrilled with the selection of characters, but even I can't take away the credit the film deserves for its style and execution.

And I don't think Simon Kinberg touched that script, am I correct?
He did on set rewrites.

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What secret project? I wanna know

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What secret project? I wanna know
But if you knew it wouldn't be a secret anymore.

That's why you're "in the Dark", hence your Hype username.

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This is the common "other people said it so it must be true" argument. From the minute the movie was screened at film festivals it began to generate buzz for her and Thorton's performances. This was legitimate praise from the film world. It's not until awards season picked up that people started bringing up the graphic sex scenes.
No, it’s my argument, actually. I saw the movie and its my opinion as well.

Yes, there was buzz. There was a lot of hype.

She did not measure up to it.

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What I'm saying is unfair and sexist is how actresses are constantly made to be figures of hate during and after these awards shenanigans. This year it was Anne Hathaway and how annoying her awards speeches became. Then most of the time you can add in a little "she only won because she got naked". And a bonus just for Halle, sprinkle in a little bit of "she played a black, shameless wh*re, so she must be one in real life too". Then mix and let fester into vitriol.
None of which I said. Could you take your soapbox elsewhere if you’re not going to address what’s actually being said?

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There are many people (see what I'm doing here) that say she completely deserved her Oscar.
They might well be wrong.

Like the many people who watch Honey Boo Boo and think that’s quality
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In my opinion she was fantastic except for a few bland scenes, but you're wrong that her acting was all hysterics.
She was fantastic at times. But one shouldn’t win an Oscar if one has “a few bland scenes”. There should be no "bland scenes" from an Oscar caliber performance. One should win an Oscar for a consistently excellent and immersive performance, and for giving the best performance of the year in a category.

She did not.

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The final scene in Monster's Ball is often cited as her best work in the movie and she does not even speak a single world or make a single sound.
And it is some of her best work in the movie.

That doesn’t mean she was the best actress in 2001.

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I don't think she's a lazy actress, but I do think that she is not always able to rise above the material.
She’s sometimes flat out unable to make solid material work.

She’s historically been a fairly lazy actress, in terms of applying the craft of acting. She gets by on charisma, much like Colin Farrel used to before he learned how to act.

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Well, in my opinion, acting is acting. Whether it's via words with a good script, or being silent while engaging in a pulsating sex scene it's all about getting into the moment and making the audience feel your sorrow, your pain or your ectasy.
That’s fine.

I’m not saying she was bad.

I’m saying she did not deserve to win the Oscar for her performance.

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When you can take your audience out of their comfort zones you've accomplished your goal as an actor. That s*** was straight up primitive and she deserved that Oscar.
Performing one of the most basic, primitive and arguably natural acts that almost every human being encounters (and which is recreated in countless pornographies and other films) is not a particularly impressive piece of acting anymore than doing anything ELSE that most people do is a special performance.

There were better performances in 2001.

And people, on another note, Simon Kinberg was the GOOD half of the X3 writing team.

He’s not the reason any of the stuff you love to hate happened. That was “the studio”.

Chill out. He’s pretty highly regarded as a writer, and has been since his early days.

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He said they were working on a "secret project". DoFP is not a secret project.
I interpreted it as it's a secret to us that they're working on DOFP.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I wanna know Waa. I can't always be left in the dark.

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Well then it wouldn't be a secret.

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They might well be wrong.

Like the many people who watch Honey Boo Boo and think that’s quality
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That backhanded comment can be applied both ways.

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Well then it wouldn't be a secret.
I already told him. I didn't tell him that you and I know all the secrets. Not only of this, but of life itself.

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Well then it wouldn't be a secret.
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As I keep saying Kinberg was keep part of first Class production,and did onset rewrites.On DVD/bluray Lauren SHueller Donnor said rewrites had to be done because of being able to make film on budget they were given.That was Kinberg.He could have asked for screenplay credit by the WGA he declined.

The Last Stand was written by committe.Rothman and others were telling them what to write.Originally rothman didn't even want them to do dark phoenix.They had to fight to use that In some form.Just as they had to fight to even get Cyclops on screen.They were also told to kill off Xavier.

Kinberg was one of writers of Sherlock holmes.SOme people will say but he wasn't the first writer on It.well If you know anything on big studio movies those who do later drafts are more responable for what ends up on screen.Yeah he was script doctor of first fantastic four but the first one was somewhat well received at time.And besides with Rothman and Tim Story as director It was never going to be great film.And he wrote Mr and Mrs Smith a popular film although changes were made from his original script as often happens.An entire villain subplot was dropped.

Obviously DOnnor,Vaughn,and Bryan like working with him.If Zak Penn can write the Incredible Hulk that was mostly well recieved,although Edward Norton did do a rewrite,
Kinberg as one of writers of DOFP Isn't the end of the world.

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Grr that Rothman....but now that he's gone...how different is it now compared to 7 years ago?

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Simon Kinberg is going to f*** this script UP. I can just feel it. He has NEVER done a good script. Like...ever. Why is he still employed? And I'm not trying to be funny here, I really mean this--why the hell is he still getting big gigs like this?
He probably has a lot of connections with FOX.

Jane Goldman needs to do some rewrites!

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As I keep saying Kinberg was keep part of first Class production,and did onset rewrites.On DVD/bluray Lauren SHueller Donnor said rewrites had to be done because of being able to make film on budget they were given.That was Kinberg.He could have asked for screenplay credit by the WGA he declined.

The Last Stand was written by committe.Rothman and others were telling them what to write.Originally rothman didn't even want them to do dark phoenix.They had to fight to use that In some form.Just as they had to fight to even get Cyclops on screen.They were also told to kill off Xavier.

Kinberg was one of writers of Sherlock holmes.SOme people will say but he wasn't the first writer on It.well If you know anything on big studio movies those who do later drafts are more responable for what ends up on screen.Yeah he was script doctor of first fantastic four but the first one was somewhat well received at time.And besides with Rothman and Tim Story as director It was never going to be great film.And he wrote Mr and Mrs Smith a popular film although changes were made from his original script as often happens.An entire villain subplot was dropped.

Obviously DOnnor,Vaughn,and Bryan like working with him.If Zak Penn can write the Incredible Hulk that was mostly well recieved,although Edward Norton did do a rewrite,
Kinberg as one of writers of DOFP Isn't the end of the world.
Kinberg's last film was This Means War.

Forget X3. He wrote This Means War and it was worse than X3.

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Akiva Goldsmith who wrote worst COmic book movie ever with Batman and Robin later won oscar for A Beautiful Mind.

Christopher Mcquirre who won oscar for the Usual Suspects was one of writers for jack.Granted another writer worked after him but still.

Before Star Trek 2009 Alex Kurtzman and Bob Orci were never thought to be able to write a good script.

This means war Is totally different genre.I have no Intrest In seeing that so I can't comment on It.

Kinberg Is also wrting a Star wars spinoff but I don't see anyone critzing DIsney for that.

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I don't care if the other directors/writers managed to make a great movie after making a mediocre film in the past.

Hiring Simon Kinberg as a screenwriter is not a great decision. Yes you could say that he might come up with a great script but you can't just put your faith on him and expect great things to happen. Thats why in making movies, it always nice to hire people with a great resume/filmography.

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Kinberg was hired as writer because he was kep member of first Class team.You keep Ignoring that.He worked with vaughn on script till Vaughn bailed as director.

Consenting complaning on Kinberg as a one of writers Is pointless.Till next year we won't get a more clear Idea exactly how writing of script went down.There may be another writer brought In after Bryan took over as director and they aren't telling yet.Maybe Bryan and Kinberg see totally eye to eye on this big and ambitas film.

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I feel like Singer wouldn't film scenes that are poorly written or put his effort into a weak story. It's his baby-franchise and a lot depends on the success of the movie.

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Kinberg was hired as writer because he was kep member of first Class team.You keep Ignoring that.He worked with vaughn on script till Vaughn bailed as director. Consenting complaning on Kinberg as a one of writers Is pointless. Till next year we won't get a more clear Idea exactly how writing of script went down. There may be another writer brought In after Bryan took over as director and they aren't telling yet.Maybe Bryan and Kinberg see totally eye to eye on this big and ambitas film.
And you kept defending like as if he's a great scriptwriter right now. And so what if he's a kep or key member of First Class, it doesn't suddenly make him a great writer or a great crew member.

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Especially now. Although I'm not quite sure if Bryan would even be fazed a bit after the box office failure of Jack. I just hope it doesn't mess with his creative zone for developing DoFP. Confidence is such a key element when taking on a project of this scope.

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No, it’s my argument, actually. I saw the movie and its my opinion as well.

Yes, there was buzz. There was a lot of hype.

She did not measure up to it.
I was pointing out that you can't just say "well a lot of people said this (no sources mentioned) so I'm right".

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None of which I said. Could you take your soapbox elsewhere if you’re not going to address what’s actually being said?
I was replying to your previous comment implying that she got the Oscar for three sex scenes. This kind of propaganda is thrown on many actresses to discredit their work.

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Like the many people who watch Honey Boo Boo and think that’s quality
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This is not an argument. Oh, so now the public is wrong?? This is absolutely contradictory to your argument before citing the relevance of public discussion on her performance.

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She was fantastic at times. But one shouldn’t win an Oscar if one has “a few bland scenes”. There should be no "bland scenes" from an Oscar caliber performance. One should win an Oscar for a consistently excellent and immersive performance, and for giving the best performance of the year in a category.

She did not.
This is up to debate as I think it is possible to win if the outstanding scenes are worth honoring.


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And it is some of her best work in the movie.

That doesn’t mean she was the best actress in 2001.
Here, I was responding to your implication that her good acting was all crying and screaming. So in a sense, this is an admission on your part that you didn't actually believe in the former. So basically your arguments are often contradictory.

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She’s sometimes flat out unable to make solid material work.

She’s historically been a fairly lazy actress, in terms of applying the craft of acting. She gets by on charisma, much like Colin Farrel used to before he learned how to act.
I don't think it's laziness, just a shortcoming. So on this point, it's just a difference in interpretation. No fault here.

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That’s fine.

I’m not saying she was bad.

I’m saying she did not deserve to win the Oscar for her performance.
This is a perfectly fine opinion. But it just reiterates my original point that people can't just say it was a misstep by the Academy (which happens all the time) and leave it at that. With Halle, they always have to imply that it was because of the sex scenes or some BS and that is really sexist and annoying.


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