"Romeo & Juliet Return?": The Official Jean Grey/Cyclops Debate

[DarknessOfDeath]

So do I... so do I. I was watching a bit of the movie Taken, and gosh, Famke looks great. Especially in this one scene where she was standing by the doorway and her hair started blowing cause of the breeze... and I thought to myself, Gods, she is Jean Grey.

I haven't seen much of James Marsden in what he's done...I hope Bryan calls both of them lol.

Currently watching Eulogy. Its pretty funny. Famke plays a lesbian...

[Duran Man]

James Marsden will be appearing in Anchorman 2 as a rival of Ron Burgundy.

[The Guard]

Hoping for Scott and Jean's return, and betting we'll see a fully assembled X-Men group money-shot, in an "altered" timeline at the close of the film.

Ditto.

[def28]

Originally Posted by SterlingDee

Agreed. Pyro's role in the series as a whole was better than Cyclops. Cyclops entire purpose in the original trilogy is be a third point in the love triangle and a foil to Wolverine (clean cut Cyclops vs. rough Wolverine). So, he is essentially just there to add a bit of depth to Wolverine and Jean.

Yup, he worries about Jean at the intro of X2 then hes Prof X body guard and is out the rest of the movie till the climax. Hes either written around or just flat out dropped in X2 and 3. His only real importance is being in a relationship with Jean And like you said its there more for Logan.

[Mad Ones]

I had no interest in seeing Hanzel and Gretel until I heard Famke was in it. I want to see it for her, but I'm not sure if it's worth it.

Originally Posted by The Guard

There's having an opinion...and then there's having an opinion that ignores objective evidence to the contrary.

I don't have to DESTROY anyone's opinion. When they present an uninformed or biased one, they do it to themselves.

Oh. I'm sorry, I didn't realize movie opinions had to be scientific and empirical, and not a subjective experience. Do you do a content analysis of all of a character's lines, and lines about the character, and make various graphs and charts that prove your opinion in completely unbiased and neutral manner? If someone says that Pyro was better characterized it's because they personally connected with the character more, felt the character was more memorable, liked the character arc more, and/or saw the character as more important. Facts are mostly irrelevant when talking about art and entertainment.

[The Guard]

Oh. I'm sorry, I didn't realize movie opinions had to be scientific and empirical, and not a subjective experience.

Hey, think nothing of it. We all make mistakes.

I didn't say they couldn't be a subjective "experience". I said nothing about the "experience" of the film at all. I was speaking as to who had a better role in the franchise.

Do you do a content analysis of all of a character's lines, and lines about the character, and make various graphs and charts that prove your opinion in completely unbiased and neutral manner?

No, as I'm smart enough not to need to do that. I can discuss things and support my opinion without making graphs and charts.

If someone says that Pyro was better characterized it's because they personally connected with the character more, felt the character was more memorable, liked the character arc more, and/or saw the character as more important.

Right...and if that's the reason they think he had a "better role" or that he was "better characterized", then they're doing so without being objective. Because based on what you just said, they're coming to this conclusion simply because they liked Pyro better. Hence my comment about not being objective.

For instance, I liked Iceman in the films, but I'm not going to say something silly like "Iceman was better developed than Wolverine was".

Facts are mostly irrelevant when talking about art and entertainment.

Yes, facts are. The actual components of the film that create the art and the entertainment...no, those things are not irrelevant. Oh, and that's just your opinion.

[DarknessOfDeath]

The movie Hanzel and Gretel was okay....Famke wasn't in it that much but she was quite good in it with what she had to work with. while you see her in prosthetics make up and what not, you do get to see her 'human' form. I might give this a second viewing.

[Mad Ones]

She plays the witch, am I right?

Originally Posted by The Guard

Oh, and that's just your opinion.

See! You're getting the hang of accepting other people have opinions! Even if they're scary and not rooted in firm objectivity.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Yup she plays the witch. lol.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hansel and Gretel was terrible. Not because of Famke. But because of....well, everything else.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Mind you, Famke has been in some movies that were terrible but its not because of her.

Tomorrow, Im gonna hit Best Buy and get season 2 of Nip/Tuck, Taken and Taken 2 oh and Goldeneye if i can find it...

[Mad Ones]

I LOVE her in Goldeneye. She kills people. With her thighs!

[DarknessOfDeath]

I know!!! heh. Too bad we didn't see that in X-Men

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I'd prefer it if the time-travelling causes Jean and Scott (and Havoc) to be born earlier in the First Class timeline.

Perhaps that indeed was Scott, Jean, and Storm when Xavier was using Cerebro in First Class.

If DoFP takes place in 1973 like they're saying, they'd be in their early/mid-twenties (since Scott looked to be in his teens in First Class). = New Casting = getting to see Jean, Scott (and perhaps Storm) joining the Xmen for the first time (something we haven't seen before) = Jean and Scott in awesome blue and yellow costumes = Xmen franchise permanently migrating to the 70's and going from there

Jean Grey -- younger casting (Imogen Poots - 23)

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Scott Summers -- younger casting (Chace Crawford - 27)

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(note that the butterfly effect can account for slightly different genes, and thus why they won't look the same when Cyclops and Jean are 30 like in X1-3 )

heck yes

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[The Batman]

Originally Posted by Mad Ones

Well... you could just move on and not feel like it's your duty to shut down other people's opinions. It's fair that some people found Pyro better developed. Just like it's fair you find Cyclops better developed. Even if you think they're wrong, it doesn't mean you have to DESTROY them for it.

I just find this whole "You don't agree with me so your opinions are stupid" approach funny,but mainly sad. Seems like someone's just frustrated cause people don't agree with him.

And I know we can't be crazy, because a lot of people don't like how Cyclops was done in the trilogy. And you know its true when the actor playing him talks about how people walk up to him say he never got his due.

[Great Mind(s)]

I don't think he was developed that good. They wanted to make it seem that way but his story in X2-X3 is just he loves Jean and Jean dies so he's real depressed. Obviously he should have had more to do...but they can bring him back and really develop him. James Marsden can star as the lead of an X-Men film.

[summers1055]

WE NEED HIM BACK, CYCLOPS IS ESSENTIAL TO THIS EPIC MOVIE!





"And if anything happens, I will take care of them."



NO MORE DECEPTION, LOOK AT THIS POSTER FOR THE LAST STAND, THEY INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE....REDEMPTION IS NEEDED.




DELETED SCENE THAT I WATCH WITH EVERY X2 VIEWING FLUIDLY WITH 2 DISCS. SHOULD OF NEVER BEEN CUT GIVEN HIS AMOUNT OF SCREEN TIME!


YEAAAA, I WANNA SEE THIS AGAINST A SENTINEL. BRYAN PLEASEEEE!!! ONLY YOU HAVE THE POWER!

[DarknessOfDeath]

So I picked up Nip Tuck of season 2 and taken, taken 2 and Goldeneye. Mmm Mmm

[thephoenix101]

id rather see scott and emma but i wish emma was in the trilogy instead of first class tho the effects are cooler and idk why every1 h8ed januarys performance she was great

[psylockolussus]

January Jones was kinda stiff in the role but for me, she didn't really bother me.

[Legion]

I just want to see Cyclops show up at the end blast like 10 Sentinels to pieces. Then take on Master Mold by himself and win...just like in the comics!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

January Jones was kinda stiff in the role but for me, she didn't really bother me.

She was miscast for the role. Emma Frost is a humorous, saucy diva you love to hate. January basically showed up in her Mad Men phase as Betty Draper, just dressed in white. She didn't do a thing differently, trust me. Perhaps if they had kept her in diamond form 100% of the time I could've suspended my disbelief for longer.

[Mad Ones]

Her diamond form looked phenomenal. Of course, that had nothing to do with January Jones' acting.

[psylockolussus]

Yeah I really liked her diamond form, I hope there's more of that in DOFP!

[wobbly]

I thought her mutant power was Wood...both kinds...