The Official PS4 Thread - Part 1

[Nathan]

You just don't make sudden changes like that. You need to ease people into it. Improve streaming, broaden your online games library. Go the Steam route and offer special sales, so people rather acquire the game digitally, than go out and buy the more expensive disc version. As time goes on, and more people get used to buying digital games, you can reduce the amount of disc printed game, till the point where people won't miss physical copies anymore.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Time magazine claims that Sony is being ambiguous about used game play ability intentionally.

http://techland.time.com/2013/02/21/...ybe-maybe-not/

[MagnarTheGreat]

I'm not buying the system at launch, that's for sure.

But I'd like to be able to also buy PSP games and have them run on the PS4. The hardware should be powerful enough to emulate the PSP.

I just really detest this distinction that Sony and Nintendo have done between "console" games and "portable" games. Their portable games don't run on their consoles and the console games don't run on their portables (Sony is making progress with the cross-buy program). I'd like for this distinction to just go away some day.

[Doc Ock]

Originally Posted by MagnarTheGreat

The PS4 hardware is radically different from the cell processor and hardware of the PS3 and the software code written for the PS3 simply will not run on the PS4 at all...and emulation of the PS3 is out of the question with the PS4 hardware, so the best hope will be some sort of streaming video cloud-based solution. They could technically run PS1 games via emulation though and the PS4 should be powerful enough to emulate the PS2 but I have no idea if they will do that.

If PS1 and PS2 games work with the PS4 I might be not so sour at the lack of PS3 BC. In the past month I bought a couple of PS1 and PS2 games off of PSN, and I have plenty of PS2 and PS1 discs laying around I intend to get to eventually...I sure hope "PSN games won't transfer to PS4" doesn't mean PS Classics as well.

I was fully expecting every purchase to be transferred. Wishful foolishness I guess.

I just don't like the idea of "Wasting" my money buying PS3 games now if the next console can't even use them. Unless the PSN is to stay online on the PS3 for a looooong time I'm going to be worried.

Originally Posted by Nathan

You just don't make sudden changes like that. You need to ease people into it. Improve streaming, broaden your online games library. Go the Steam route and offer special sales, so people rather acquire the game digitally, than go out and buy the more expensive disc version. As time goes on, and more people get used to buying digital games, you can reduce the amount of disc printed game, till the point where people won't miss physical copies anymore.

I love Steam, becuase of the sales mainly. I have never and probably will never pay full price for a game on Steam. Or any digital service. If I pay full price I expect a physical copy. I've always battled digital stuff and only find it useful in relation to insane sales. I bought the original Quake last year in physical form as I had no desire to download it and I do the same for PS1 and PS2 games.

Originally Posted by MagnarTheGreat

I'm not buying the system at launch, that's for sure.

Yes.

But I'd like to be able to also buy PSP games and have them run on the PS4. The hardware should be powerful enough to emulate the PSP.

Yes!

I just really detest this distinction that Sony and Nintendo have done between "console" games and "portable" games. Their portable games don't run on their consoles and the console games don't run on their portables (Sony is making progress with the cross-buy program). I'd like for this distinction to just go away some day.

YES!

[Destructus86]

WELL!

I'm sold....this is the first system i'm getting. I might considering the next Xbox later....down the line. But the PS3 just looks amazing.

[LuisTX85]

No physical backwards compatibility sucks for many But it doesn't affect me personally,I don't have any PSN games right now and only PS3 games I have are Black Ops II/Madden NFL'13/Arkham City and soon Injustice&Last of US..Which I'll most likely be done with them by the holiday season anyway.

I have a 360 and so I'll stop buying games for PS3 after Last of Us in June,I'll be ready to move on to PS4 at launch,I've been wanting to go more digital and so the cloud tstreaming will be perfect to download PS1-3 games I miss or never had

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by ChrisBaleBatman

I would think not. Aren't console launches usually the same date worldwide? Though, I didn't pay attention to that when the Wii U launched, and it feels like a hundred years since the PS3 and 360 launched.

Often. But PS3 was delayed in Europe. For someone who had been anticipating it every day for all those years it was horrendous news! It's that fact that led me to getting an XBox despite being 100% Sony since PS1. I still got a PS3 at launch but by that time I had made loads of XBox buddies who are still great friends today and it's my primary console for multiplats now.

I could see Sony and Microsoft literally launching on the same date, since so much had been made about the leg up Microsoft had gotten this generation by being the first to strike.

That would be very interesting if it happened! First to strike (not being) was just one factor in Sony's poor start but it was definitely an important factor nonetheless.

[Donut]

PlayStation 4 Not Backwards Compatible With Retail or Digital Games

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/...-digital-games

[The Squirrel]

Originally Posted by MessiahDecoy123

Time magazine claims that Sony is being ambiguous about used game play ability intentionally.

http://techland.time.com/2013/02/21/...ybe-maybe-not/

I'm guessing that Sony will not block used games, but developers/publishers will probably start making access codes that are needed to play used games.

[LuisTX85]

Sony said this will be"a game console made by game developers for game developers",Does this mean it'll be much easier for third-party developers to make PS4 port versions?

I've read a few times that it's harder for developers&publishers to make PS3 game versions than for 360 and thus many third-party games playing&looking better on 360.

[Evelisse]

I hope it all works out, do whatever easing they think best, I'm not much a buyer of games, I rent a lot using Gamefly, not many games I find worth replaying, so for me to spend 60+ each game always turned me off, I'd be satisfied if Sony came up with it's own rental system if they kept it reasonable and the hardware was up for it.

[Doc Ock]

Originally Posted by Donut

PlayStation 4 Not Backwards Compatible With Retail or Digital Games

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/...-digital-games

For every new article thats going to come up and confirm this I'm going to feel like throwing something. Emulation being possible would be a improvement. But streaming is awful IMO.

[MagnarTheGreat]

Originally Posted by LuisTX85

Sony said this will be"a game console made by game developers for game developers",Does this mean it'll be much easier for third-party developers to make PS4 port versions?

I've read a few times that it's harder for developers&publishers to make PS3 game versions than for 360 and thus many third-party games playing&looking better on 360.

The PS3 used the Cell processor which was significally different from the XB360's processor. It was more difficult to program for. But generally speaking whatever the "lead" development platform is for a multiplatform game, affects which machine it will look better on in addition to the hardware specs.

Both the Nextbox and PS4 are going to have similar, PC-like hardware.

[The Squirrel]

The difference between ports should be a lot smaller this generation. It's really just going to come down to which platform has a a more active community.

[JaD]

Does that mean this new PS4 won't be able to play blu-ray movies? I love that about my PS3 and I guess I'm Ok with the lack of BC (even though I would love it since I'm still very into this generation of games), but I would love to at least be able to watch my BDs.

[Doc Ock]

Originally Posted by JaD

Does that mean this new PS4 won't be able to play blu-ray movies? I love that about my PS3 and I guess I'm Ok with the lack of BC (even though I would love it since I'm still very into this generation of games), but I would love to at least be able to watch my BDs.

I'm pretty sure you can still use BDs and DVDs which is a plus I suppose.

[SpideyVille]

I saw this great tweet that said "The best console, the SNES, was not backwards compatible." I gotta say, I understand why people would be upset, but its not like Sony is required to make it that way.

It also makes me wonder if the reason for this is because the tech simply wouldn't allow it to. I mean, like they wanted this super powerful system and in order to get that, they needed to cut back on some things from the PS3, and this was just one of them. If that's the case, I don't mind, but I feel like a lot of people are assuming that Sony was just to lazy or money-hungry to leave that out.

[JaD]

I'm just not sure when I can even think about making the full transition. My PS3 collection is huuuggge. Why can't I be able to play these games on the PS4? I'll only be frustrated if they're still allowing PSOne compatibility on the PS4, then I'll just be like, "Really?"

[JaD]

Originally Posted by SpideyVille

I saw this great tweet that said "The best console, the SNES, was not backwards compatible." I gotta say, I understand why people would be upset, but its not like Sony is required to make it that way.

It also makes me wonder if the reason for this is because the tech simply wouldn't allow it to. I mean, like they wanted this super powerful system and in order to get that, they needed to cut back on some things from the PS3, and this was just one of them. If that's the case, I don't mind, but I feel like a lot of people are assuming that Sony was just to lazy or money-hungry to leave that out.

I just hope that with this streaming system thing, there's a way to have your PS3 disc in the PS4 and it could be ID'd from their server or something then we can play it on the PS4. That would be great, but probably asking for too much perhaps.

[Drz]

Yeah it's my biggest grudge againts PS4 right now as well, i got all these classic HD collections and so many awesom PS3 games, and i can't play them on a PS4?!

[Nathan]

Well, you still have your PS3.

[MagnarTheGreat]

The world was way different in 1990-91 when the Super Famicom launched. Nowadays everytime you buy an iPad or iPhone or gadget running Google's Android, you don't have to buy your apps all over again. Your past purchases still work. If the next iPhone came out and broke all compatability, people would be fuming.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sony needs to think this through.

If gamers even suspect greed is the motivation for no BC the backlash could be fatal.

Remember netflix and Sony cannot afford to lose further ground to Microsoft.

[JaD]

Originally Posted by MessiahDecoy123

Sony needs to think this through.

If gamers even suspect greed is the motivation for no BC the backlash could be fatal.

Remember netflix and Sony cannot afford to lose further ground to Microsoft.

That's where my thinking is at, technologically I think we're at a point where I'm sure they can connect the systems in a cost-efficient way. If the streaming is the best they can do then they better not try to make me re-purchase any of these PS3 games.

[MagnarTheGreat]

Apple
Google
Microsoft
Sony
Nintendo

All these companies are competing against each other. And, in some cases, competing against themselves by having incompatible software ecosystems on their devices.