Germans. Still Evil?

[Erzengel]

Let's not forget what the Germans have degenerated to in terms of sex and pornography. Also the Japanese.

See what happens when you lose a World War?

[NickNitro]

Germans do make some amazing cars though

[James]

Originally Posted by Erzengel

Let's not forget what the Germans have degenerated to in terms of sex and pornography. Also the Japanese.

'Degenerated' or 'Contributed'?

[terry78]

Every country is evil in its own way. Nobody is 100% just around here.

[NickNitro]

ummm...America is pretty amazing Terry...how dare you..where do you live...we'll invade you to show you how awesome and helpful we are.

[terry78]

You don't see my location?

[NickNitro]

just making a joke about America lol......

[MessiahDecoy123]

Originally Posted by Erzengel

Let's not forget what the Germans have degenerated to in terms of sex and pornography. Also the Japanese.

See what happens when you lose a World War?

It is a bit of a coincidence that both those countries have the most perverted porn.

Maybe there is a connection to losing WW2. lol.

[NickNitro]

They had to release their frustrations somehow

[Optimus_Prime_]

There were "public mood" reports during the war, and formal polling done after the war, and Hitler was fairly well liked. Most Germans during the war (I think anywhere from 40-50% approved of Hitler and were pretty well aware of what he was doing) said Hitler "had Germany in his heart" and approved of most of his policies.

Much the same as Segregated South, which really was enforced by an elite few, the rest of the people went along with it...maybe chock it up to selfishness. Many white people in the South when interviewed reported feeling the negroes were being treated "poorly". There are many polls to this effect, but because they were white, and in many cases benefited from the segregation, they didn't care. Nazis had a similar thing going. If you were not Jewish, or a gypsy, it was great.

[NickNitro]

How about Mussolini and Italy? Was he as well received by the GA?

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by NickNitro

How about Mussolini and Italy? Was he as well received by the GA?

Honestly, I don't know much about it, but I think he was actually.

Hitler only began to lose his appeal once he began losing ground in the war, even then they stuck by him fairly well though.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_

Honestly, I don't know much about it, but I think he was actually.

Hitler only began to lose his appeal once he began losing ground in the war, even then they stuck by him fairly well though.

What about after they learned of the holocaust?

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by MessiahDecoy123

What about after they learned of the holocaust?

After? I'm pretty sure the German people were in the know, maybe not down to the exact details, but understood the general gist of what was going on, much like our racism in the South (and North -- and anywhere else). Jews were not exactly popular in Europe at the time.

Even though the official official information was secret, you'd have to have had your head in the sand to not be more than casually aware of what the Nazis were doing. The trains running, the jewish stars, the scads of anti-jewish literature being passed around, SS members talking about what they were doing, etc.

People think Hitler's idea of eradicating the Jewish menace was new. Faaaar from true. Jews were not very unpopular at the time. There was actually a lot of anti-jewish rhetoric ADDED to Mein Kampf because that sort of stuff was popular.

[NickNitro]

I watched Schindlers List recently, and I kept wondering how AWKWARD of a time period right after WWII must have been for Jews....They really had no place to truly call their home. Many were still huge supporters of the Nazi cause and I'm sure prejudice's and hate crimes went on in Europe long after the Allies won the war.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by NickNitro

I watched Schindlers List recently, and I kept wondering how AWKWARD of a time period right after WWII must have been for Jews....They really had no place to truly call their home. Many were still huge supporters of the Nazi cause and I'm sure prejudice's and hate crimes went on in Europe long after the Allies won the war.

As far as I know England had tons of problems with bigotry against Jews and were fighting the Nazis at the time. That's why many did not flee. No where to flee to. Some did manage to make it to Africa and Israel, where they lived peacefully (for the most part) during the war. Hitler was originally mulling over the idea of sending them to Africa or the Middle East, but it was costly. He also thought to send them elsewhere in Europe but no European country wanted Jewish immigrants, since they too didn't really care for them.

Hence Israel.

Hitler was more or less a dead certainty, rising notions of Social Darwinism coupled with anti-Semitism made it a perfect climate for a party like Hitler's.

[Lady Marion]

Originally Posted by Manic

While Germans may not be evil today, I can't say the same about them in the 1980's. It's hard to forgive a country that gave us "Der Kommissar" by Falco.

Excuse me my friend, but Falco was austrian.

[Erzengel]

Excuse me. Falco is from Fantasia.

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by JJJ's Ulcer

My girlfriend is Korean and believe me she definitely could say a few choice things about Japanese (not saying I agree with her, I've been to Japan many times and think the people, food and sights are great, but still... for many Chinese and Koreans, the sins of what Japan did in WWII haven't washed away, mainly because they refuse to apologize, make amends for, or even admit to those sins. And then there's the land disputes).

Not entirely true: the Japanese "apologized over some of those emotional facts" in the 1970's, and apologised officially in 1995. China previously refused war reparations from Japan in '72, but received billions in funding for infrastructure:

Japan has become a linchpin in China's economy. By of the end of 2002, the Japanese had pumped in US$36.34 billion in foreign direct investment, or 8.11 percent of China's total utilized FDI, making Japan China's largest foreign investor, according to the Chinese Ministry of Commerce ... About 25 percent of the funding for all of China's infrastructure projects between 1994 and 1998 -including roads, railways, telecom systems and harbors- came from Japan.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FB12Ad07.html

Racism is still a problem, the key problem, in healing these old wounds.

[chamber-music]

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_

As far as I know England had tons of problems with bigotry against Jews and were fighting the Nazis at the time. That's why many did not flee. No where to flee to. Some did manage to make it to Africa and Israel, where they lived peacefully (for the most part) during the war. Hitler was originally mulling over the idea of sending them to Africa or the Middle East, but it was costly. He also thought to send them elsewhere in Europe but no European country wanted Jewish immigrants, since they too didn't really care for them.

Hence Israel.

Hitler was more or less a dead certainty, rising notions of Social Darwinism coupled with anti-Semitism made it a perfect climate for a party like Hitler's.

Pretty sure plenty of Jews fled to England. Stephen Fry, Rachel Weisz, Ed and David Miliband as well as Jerry Springer's family all fled to Britian to escape the Nazis and those are just the famous examples I can think of from the top of my head.

You might want to read up about Kindertransport as well a rescue mission that took place during the nine months prior to the outbreak World War 2 in which Britian took in nearly 10,000 predominantly Jewish children from Nazis Germany, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia and were placed in British foster homes, hostels, and farms. Oftentimes they were the only members of their families who survive the Holocaust.

There was some anti-semitism but that didn't mean Jews didn't come to the UK and settle before, during and after the war when they were allowed. 40,000 Jews from Austria and Germany were eventually allowed to settle in Britain before the War, in addition to 50,000 Jews from Italy, Poland, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe.

This is why today Britain has the second largest Jewish in Europe and the fifth largest Jewish community in the world.

[James]

Originally Posted by Erzengel

Excuse me. Falco is from Fantasia.

That's Falcor.

[Manic]

Originally Posted by Ultimatehero

Basically our text books in America are written how the government wants us to see things. For example, think about how different it is in our text books compared to those probably of the native americans and japanese and african americans.

Native Americans and African Americans use the same text books as everyone else in America. They're sorta standardized. I think just about everyone learns the dark side of our history from independent research and verbal lecturing (be it from a teacher going off-book, a parent, or just someone you got in a conversation with).

Originally Posted by chamber-music

Not to be rude but many foreigners don't even know what modern British cuisine is I have often found.

I watch enough cooking shows to know that British food isn't as bland as the stereotypes say, but every now and then I run into something that reinforces those stereotypes. I mean, hopefuldreamer says she doesn't put seasoning on her food.

Originally Posted by Lady Marion

Excuse me my friend, but Falco was austrian.

Ah, you're right. Then all is forgiven. Down with Austria, then. I'm gonna go get some German chocolates!

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by Manic

I watch enough cooking shows to know that British food isn't as bland as the stereotypes say, but every now and then I run into something that reinforces those stereotypes. I mean, hopefuldreamer says she doesn't put seasoning on her food.

In Britain, particularly London you can eat basically anything your heart's desires and it'll be good. It's very multicultural there in terms of food, I suppose you'd expect this from such a major city.

[Manic]

Is it sad that the first thing I want to eat if I ever go to London is Indian food? As if there aren't a handful of Indian restaurants in my town alone.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by Manic

Is it sad that the first thing I want to eat if I ever go to London is Indian food? As if there aren't a handful of Indian restaurants in my town alone.

Indian food ought to be pretty plentiful in London. I'd imagine quite a bit of Middle Eastern there as well. I don't really remember much of it, too young.