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View Poll Results: What do you want fixed for the Batman reboot? (multiple votes allowed)
More impressive fight scenes 110 59.14%
"World's greatest detective" better displayed 133 71.51%
More imaginative villains/concepts explored 81 43.55%
More iconic imagery (Gotham/Batmobile/etc) 72 38.71%
Sidekicks included (Robin, Nightwing, Oracle) 65 34.95%
Full extent of Batman's various training better implied (flashbacks?) 32 17.20%
No growling Bat-voice 66 35.48%
Bruce is the mask, Batman is the true face 49 26.34%
Fix the suit (NO RUBBER) 46 24.73%
Fix the suit (BUT USING RUBBER AGAIN) 13 6.99%
No love interest 25 13.44%
No Lucius Fox (Batman does all the brainy work) 30 16.13%
Batman is a more shadowy and mysterious figure 63 33.87%
More BTAS influence 59 31.72%
More Arkham Asylum influence 69 37.10%
More comic book influence (70's-current) 28 15.05%
More memorable theme music 29 15.59%
Moar prep-time!!! (Batman is always a few steps ahead) 37 19.89%
All of the above 9 4.84%
other (please specify below) 14 7.53%
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:28 PM   #226
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Why do people want clayface and killer croc so bad?

Can someone direct me to a good story with these villains?
"People" don't want it badly. Just one person said they did. That person also said they wanted Michael Bay for director of it!

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Such a tragedy that this didn't get made.

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Old 03-17-2013, 05:01 PM   #228
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Why do people want clayface and killer croc so bad?
I guess those people like to have a clear cut to the "realistic" Nolan movies.
Nolan had some fantastic villains as well though: Two-Face (who is not unrealistic per se but Nolan's version was) and Bane with his magic-pain-killer-mask.

On the other hand: A perma-white Joker would be a kind of fantastic villain as well.

I would like a mixture of fantastic villains (I'd prefer Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc), "semi-fantastic" villains (Joker, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter) and realitstic villains (Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask in his original appereance) for the reboot.

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Old 03-17-2013, 11:57 PM   #229
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It's getting stale with only one reboot? Don't think so.
They've been making Batman movies since the 1940s.. so, I don't know how you define "reboot", but there has been many movies made of Batman. The two 1940s serials, the 1960s movie, all of Burton's/Schumacher's movies and then you have all of the animated movies as well.

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Old 03-18-2013, 09:13 AM   #230
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Hardly anyone saw or cared about 1940's serials.

and the 60's version was just a single tv movie, not an ongoing franchise.

So the only major reboot was Nolan.

and why would we be tired of Batman already? There are how many Bond movies? Isn't that concept even more repetitive and bland than the Batman universe?

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Old 03-18-2013, 10:11 AM   #231
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No Nolan since he ruined the character.
I want a bats film with more epic villains like Killer Croc and have Nightwing, Robin, and Batgirl in the film.
I have feeling WB is going have the new batman film with alot of characters and more of comic book feel after the turds Nolan has left us. Bat fans deserve a good film.
This is the same guy that said Cap and Thor are far better films than Batman Begins and that MOS is gonna make as much money as the Avengers, which he thinks is the greatest film ever made.

An uniquely reasonable fella.

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Hardly anyone saw or cared about 1940's serials.

and the 60's version was just a single tv movie, not an ongoing franchise.

So the only major reboot was Nolan.

and why would we be tired of Batman already? There are how many Bond movies? Isn't that concept even more repetitive and bland than the Batman universe?
Something you and I can agree on.

After one reboot, if Batman is tiring...then he wouldn't be a fascinating character to re-do again or again. And that's just not the case.

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The Joker has been over done and Bane sucks.

Have a Michael Bay film with Clayface and Killer Croc it would be epic.

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Old 03-18-2013, 11:23 PM   #235
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Hardly anyone saw or cared about 1940's serials.

and the 60's version was just a single tv movie, not an ongoing franchise.

So the only major reboot was Nolan.

and why would we be tired of Batman already? There are how many Bond movies? Isn't that concept even more repetitive and bland than the Batman universe?
The 40's serials were re-shown theatrically in the 1960's and were hugely popular. It led to the development of the tv show.

The 60's Batman movie was released theatrically, so it wasn't a "tv movie".

They have been reinventing this character since the 1940's for the cinema.

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But do you really believe the public is tired of Batman because of a couple movies that came out 70 and 50 years ago.

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Old 03-19-2013, 12:41 AM   #237
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1. more gadgets
2. more martial arts
3. play on the fear idea from batman begins more
4. batmobile should be more versatile and awesome
5. rather than make it like a full blown story spanning years, I would like a situation that batman is put in that calls for a race against time.

essentially is what I am asking for is Arkham series movie lol

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The 40's serials were re-shown theatrically in the 1960's and were hugely popular. It led to the development of the tv show.

The 60's Batman movie was released theatrically, so it wasn't a "tv movie".

They have been reinventing this character since the 1940's for the cinema.
That's the whole generational aspect to Batman. Even if we're all tired of it, every 5-10 years there's a whole new crop of kids who are fans and have never seen Batman on the big screen.

There's always going to be a built-in audience for it, and until there isn't WB is always going to view it as a valuable movie property.

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Not sure about anyone else but I've never heard anyone go:

"Let's watch Batman!"

"Which one?"

"The 1940's serials, of course!"

Maybe the 60's just for the camp value but not the 40's serials.

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Not sure about anyone else but I've never heard anyone go:

"Let's watch Batman!"

"Which one?"

"The 1940's serials, of course!"

Maybe the 60's just for the camp value but not the 40's serials.
Kids these days won't watch the 80s or 90s Batman movies, either. Things become out of date more quickly now.

The next Batman reboot will probably happen 10 years from now and it will make people forget Nolan's versions. Burton's are already ancient history.

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Burton's are only 'ancient history' insofar as their successors are seen as 'current'. After a certain time, seminal films get classic status, but that doesn't occur when they are still seen as the flavour of last month.

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Burtons movies are ancient history because they don't age well. Too much 80s music, 40s wardrobe, too much stylistic crap over substance. When you can take a cartoon (B:TAS) more seriously than a live-action movie (Burtons/Shumachers) then it's easy to forget. I know that sounds like im ripping those movies to shreds, I enjoyed the hell out of them when I was a little boy, but there's just a reason why they're "ancient history" now to a lot of people. When you have current live-action movies that have a timeless soundtrack with universal relatability to its characters like TDK-Trilogy, plus animation with not just advanced technology being shown, but futuristic. Yes, another reason why the Keaton era will always be old news now.

Nolans movies will age, as will every movie, but ill bet they age extremely well in comparison.

People aren't sick of Batman. Not yet. Maybe if we get a couple of Justice League's with Batman and some solo film that feels like a repeat of something in the past, then sure...that's when people will get sick of Batman. But that's not the case right now.

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You can't say Nolan's movies will age any better unless you have a time machine.

The world could be completely different from now in another 25 years.

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They will. The soundtrack, the emotional arcs and how relatable the characters are, will be the reason why they age much MUCH better than Burtons. Sorry, but people can relate to Bruce's arc in the trilogy far more. It's stuff that people can relate to 100 years from now. It's a pretty human story. And no technology upgrade can change that. When a movie is filled with 80's Prince and people are wearing clothes that don't even look current to the time period, but of the 1940's...no wonder why people look at it a certain way.

Soundtrack is a big part of it IMO, and how it's used in a scene.

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I think the Nolan movies will age well simply because they're great movies. Just like I think any other great movie made in the modern age will age well.

Eventually, they'll be looked back on as "the early 21st century Batman", and that's just fine. Considering their post 9/11 nature, that might only add to their value as a cultural artifact (at least for Americans).

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I still love Batman (89). Outside the Prince music it's a timeless superhero movie.

Plus it's far more iconic than Nolan's effort minus Heath Ledger. The music, the batmobile, the imagery, the dialogue, the storytelling...It all holds up to this day.

I'll watch it anytime it comes on tv and it's in my top 3 all-time superhero movies.

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I think Burton's film is more iconic in terms of being a comic book fantasy brought to life, while Nolan's is iconic in that it's a more universal and human story told using a pop culture icon. It builds off of a certain level of familiarity with the well-established iconography of Batman a crafts an epic out of it. Burton's films were the first mass media depictions of a "dark" Batman and were crucial in showing the world that it could be more than "POW" "WHAM".

Both are great notches in the utility belt for Batman's overall legacy.

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Yah, I'm on the boat to say Nolan's trilogy will age quite well through the years as well. The stories for the trilogy are pretty damn great(and feel very timeless, unlike most CBMs that depend on the "right now" technology) and it had only a little CGI in all three films that still looks good to this day(mostly talking about BB and TDK...hard to talk about how TDKR's CG will look when it hasn't even been a full year).

I'll be honest though, to the people who never liked the trilogy to begin with, it won't hold up at all. I can say the same thing on the films I never liked from the beginning like The Amazing Spider-Man, but to the people who did like the film, it could still feel timeless to them in ten or so years down the line.

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I still love Batman (89). Outside the Prince music it's a timeless superhero movie.

Plus it's far more iconic than Nolan's effort minus Heath Ledger. The music, the batmobile, the imagery, the dialogue, the storytelling...It all holds up to this day.

I'll watch it anytime it comes on tv and it's in my top 3 all-time superhero movies.
They both have a legacy but Burtons first movie has aged more than any superhero movie ive ever seen outside of the comic book movies that came before it.

It's still a good comic book movie. It's fun. At least it steps all over the 90s Bat-sequels. But the screenplay has never been great. It's very generic. The production design is awesome and the main theme is good but Prince dates this movie in a horrible way. And i'm an 80s Prince fan.

The batmobile? That's iconic, yes. The bat symbol with the yellow? Yep. Gotham? Sure. But these are just stylistic things, and at the end of the day it means nothing to me. Substance means more and Burton doesn't know what that word means. He never did.

But it's far from timeless as a whole. I don't see how it is. The storytelling and dialogue was never anything special for me. There's the odd line by Keaton and Nicholson that will always be memorable but the rest is rubbish. The actors cast outside Jack and Michael are also atrocious.

Like I said, it's fun and ill always remember it when thinking of my childhood but it's just a popcorn movie from the 80s to me, like Avengers is from the 2010's.

I'll give an example. Terminator 2 was released 2 years after Batman and Jurassic Park just 2 years after that. The difference is unreal in how I can watch JP and be like "Those dinosaurs still hold up today, that's timeless!". It's a HUGE difference to Batman.

Nolans will continue to inspire me until the day I die.


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^ Do you think Goyer could really write a film pertaining to more than one superhero? He didn't do a great job even dealing with Blade, Hannibal King and Whistler's daughter, whatever her name was, lol.

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