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Old 03-21-2014, 04:04 PM   #876
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Considering that the script was already done when Vaughn left, I think that was the case. It is a logical progression for the character anyway - she joined Magneto and his terrorist group by the end of FC and it would make no sense for her not be a more hardened character in the sequel, especially with a large time gap between the films.
I suppose so, but she did already seem quite a tough little kid when we first met her. She was resourceful/daring/desperate enough to break into that mansion and disguise herself as Xavier's mother after seeing a photo on the wall. She already seemed quite independent and resourceful, though not necessarily some kick-ass badass.

As soon as Lawrence played her, she seemed much more drippy and needy. I guess we have to put it down to teen hormones.

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Kinberg did a rewrite after Singer took over as director.So it's very hard to know
what would have been the Vaughn version of DOFP. He wrote with Kinberg and Jane goldman first draft of DOFP hench why him and goldman have story credit.

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Kinberg did a rewrite after Singer took over as director.So it's very hard to know
what would have been the Vaughn version of DOFP. He wrote with Kinberg and Jane goldman first draft of DOFP hench why him and goldman have story credit.
Considering that the assassination attempt by Mystique is at the centre of the plot and has huge consequences for the future, that would have to be a very major rewrite if she was never involved into it initially.

I'm sure that the script has changed, but I doubt that in the initial script Mystique was busy baking cookies.

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I suppose so, but she did already seem quite a tough little kid when we first met her. She was resourceful/daring/desperate enough to break into that mansion and disguise herself as Xavier's mother after seeing a photo on the wall. She already seemed quite independent and resourceful, though not necessarily some kick-ass badass.

As soon as Lawrence played her, she seemed much more drippy and needy. I guess we have to put it down to teen hormones.
Well I would put it down to the fact that in between that first scene when we meet her and later, she's spent a few very comfortable years living in a mansion with Charles, in what was a close if overprotective (on Charles's part) relationship.

Plus, just because she was on her own in that first scene, it doesn't mean that she didn't crave companionship and having someone take care of her. Her face practically lits up when Charles tells her that she doesn't need to steal again.


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Don't forget though that we're talking about Singer from 10 years ago.

Fingers crossed he can bounce back with DoFP.
Singer hasn't really missed a step in his career. Even Superman Returns wasn't a bad film. It was just a bad Superman film. But in terms of character and emotional depth, the film followed through and delivered on exactly what Singer said the film would be. And this is coming from someone who loathes that film lol. While not busy with X-Men, Bryan Singer was busy kicking tail and taking names by producing House M.D., and that show is excellent. Not that producing is the same as directing, but I don't suspect that Singer will be rusty.

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I can't say I am a big Superman fan so I don't have any set ideas about what a Superman movie should be, and I am female so supposedly I was the more appropriate audience for the film, according to Singer. Superman Returns wasn't bad per se, but it was a bland and forgettable movie, with bland and forgettable characters. Valkyrie was ok but not great. I haven't seen Jack the Giant Slayer but it hasn't had the greatest reaction. So no, it doesn't look like great track record to me.

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The Usual Suspects and X2.

Nothing else needs to be said.

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So no, it doesn't look like great track record to me.
Agreed. Had a great start with Suspects and X2 but hasn't had a solid memorable film for over 10 years. And his last film made it into the top 10 bombs of all time. Returning to X-Men was a good call.

His producing work with Trick R Treat, First Class and House was solid though. Trick R Treat is rad.


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I personally thought that Valkyrie was quite a good movie.

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I can't say I am a big Superman fan so I don't have any set ideas about what a Superman movie should be, and I am female so supposedly I was the more appropriate audience for the film, according to Singer. Superman Returns wasn't bad per se, but it was a bland and forgettable movie, with bland and forgettable characters. Valkyrie was ok but not great. I haven't seen Jack the Giant Slayer but it hasn't had the greatest reaction. So no, it doesn't look like great track record to me.
When it comes to Superman, people more or less expected what we got with The Man of Stee; feats of strength, lots of flying, fist fights, powerful villains. Superman Returns was an attempt to humanize a character that has largely been the source of fandom disdain for some time.

Although the character is iconic, his highly alien, ultra powerful persona has made him difficult for readers/viewers to relate to. Bryan Singer chose to focus on elements of the character that would allow us to empathize with the character. Unfortunately, few people care about empathizing with Superman. Ironically, Superman Returns has better reviews than the Man of Steel.

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Valkyrie had some good elements, and actually managed to create tension out of a plot which you know beforehand is doomed. Tom Cruise, as much flack as he cops since jumping on that couch, was a solid, engaging lead. It's just that overall, it didn't amount to much more than ok IMO. I was entertained when I was watching it on a long flight to Europe, but I wouldn't have spent money on it.

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I am going to have to disagree with some here.The only film singer has done that i really didn't like was Apt Pubil.

I like Superman returns. And It's not a case of me seeing it once and calling it great because he did it or it was sequel to Richard Donnor's Superman I own the DVD and have watched it plenty of times. I prefer it over Man of steel which Is too much trying to be the superman version of the Dark Knight and falls Into Disaster porn.

Valkrie Is an intresting WWII thriler. Probally the closest he has tried to do something In vein of the Usual Suspects.People need to leave Tom Cruise's personal life out of his films. Ignore what you think of scientolgy. He's a solid actor. And you had great supporting cast around him.

I liked Jack the Giant slayer. It's a different film from him. It's a lighter fantasy film. He was trying to do something different. Even though it keep him from directing FC it was intresting to see him tackle something different.

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I suppose so, but she did already seem quite a tough little kid when we first met her. She was resourceful/daring/desperate enough to break into that mansion and disguise herself as Xavier's mother after seeing a photo on the wall. She already seemed quite independent and resourceful, though not necessarily some kick-ass badass.

As soon as Lawrence played her, she seemed much more drippy and needy. I guess we have to put it down to teen hormones.
i know why they had to do it that way. but i really hated that opening for Mystique. it just dares me to to be skeptical. she just happens to break into the mansion of a little british mutant boy living in upstate New York? where did she come from? was she born looking like that? wouldn't that have been a big deal? did Xavier mind control his parents to allow for Raven's presence? or did she do a lot of hiding? good thing Raven avoided picking up his accent.

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The biggest problem I had with Mystique Is portraying her as teenager was wrong. She should be around Xavier and Magneto's age. If they would have said she prefers to appear as teenager In human form that's one thing but they portrayed her as actual teenager.
Forget about OT for a minute.That doesn't line up with her In 1944 at begining of film.

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They got around it by saying she ages slow in first class, whether that's just in looks or what but either way there was nothing that said she was the same age as Charles

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^^ Are you saying she's way younger than Xavier?

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Forget about OT for a minute.That doesn't line up with her In 1944 at begining of film.
That would've been a good angle, making her sick in the head.

I finally got around to watching Catching Fire and I actually really liked the film and for the most part I liked JLaw's acting/character in it (it was mostly her crying/reaction shots in the beginning that still kinda make me doubt her acting).

That said, *crossing fingers* she finally gets to show what she can do with a hopefully great X-men script.

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When it comes to Superman, people more or less expected what we got with The Man of Stee; feats of strength, lots of flying, fist fights, powerful villains. Superman Returns was an attempt to humanize a character that has largely been the source of fandom disdain for some time.

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I think MoS was better at making us empathise with Superman. It wasn't perfect, but i thought it showed how he struggles with these godly powers and what he should do with them, when he should reveal himself etc. It's no surprise that the first hour or so of the film is praised by the majority of critics. It then goes downhill in the finale where it turns into a Michael Bay movie on steroids.

Returns' Superman was kinda creepy and bland. The film itself didn't have it's own identity or vision either. It was an attempt at recreating the Donner films. But it was just too serious and cold. It had a couple great scenes, like the plane rescue.

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^^ Are you saying she's way younger than Xavier?

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She could be 1 or 2 years younger yeah sure why not?

could Charles grow up to be naturally more mature then her? course he could

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Mystique aging much slower than normal is a thing in the comics as well. She's over a hundred years old there.

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I think MoS was better at making us empathise with Superman. It wasn't perfect, but i thought it showed how he struggles with these godly powers and what he should do with them, when he should reveal himself etc. It's no surprise that the first hour or so of the film is praised by the majority of critics. It then goes downhill in the finale where it turns into a Michael Bay movie on steroids.

Returns' Superman was kinda creepy and bland. The film itself didn't have it's own identity or vision either. It was an attempt at recreating the Donner films. But it was just too serious and cold. It had a couple great scenes, like the plane rescue.
Agree with you on everything, except the last act. To me, it was FINALLU giving us a proper Superman fight/action scene and actually daring to, you know, show how horrible an attack by superpowered genocidal aliens would actually be. It wasn't sugarcoated, and I appreciated that.

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I think MoS was better at making us empathise with Superman. It wasn't perfect, but i thought it showed how he struggles with these godly powers and what he should do with them, when he should reveal himself etc. It's no surprise that the first hour or so of the film is praised by the majority of critics. It then goes downhill in the finale where it turns into a Michael Bay movie on steroids.

Returns' Superman was kinda creepy and bland. The film itself didn't have it's own identity or vision either. It was an attempt at recreating the Donner films. But it was just too serious and cold. It had a couple great scenes, like the plane rescue.
I'll say this: Superman Returns deals with Superman wishing to not be the last of his people. The Man of Steel deals with Superman wishing to be human and just fit in. I believe both films do an excellent job of portraying Superman's struggle with his identity and his place in the world.

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How old was she supposed to be in FC ? Xavier keeps ordering her colas..

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I concur. Not that I condone the nudity/body paint approach, but some new technique should be applied to get the bodysuit to look less like...a body suit.

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