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Old 04-06-2013, 06:54 PM   #901
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Loved the Cap score, thought the Avengers music was pretty weak. Not sure how Slivestri would work with a modern Cap, but it would have been nice to find out.

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Very, very small tidbit I came across. The director of an upcoming 'My Name is Paul' film was
talking about a certain gun that's, unusually, used in his faith-based film. And:

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He added that he’s heard from the manufacturer that the same model will also appear in “Captain America 2.”
It seems this gun was featured on the film's poster. This could be someone's signature firearm in Cap 2.


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Well what Silvestri needs to do is revisit some of his old work and style, but keep the Cap theme. I don't mind if he came up with a secondary Cap theme, but still keep the original one.
Yeah, even if they change composers they should still find a way to keep that main theme.

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Loved the Cap score, thought the Avengers music was pretty weak. Not sure how Slivestri would work with a modern Cap, but it would have been nice to find out.
I loved both The Avengers and Captain America score. Silvestri really knows how to enhance scenes with his music. My favorite tracks are Stark Goes Green, Red Ledger, Helicarrier, A Promise, Avengers Assemble, and The Avengers. I hope to God they get Silvestri as long as almost everyone who worked on the first Avengers (Seamus Mcgarvey, ILM) to come back for the second.

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Very, very small tidbit I came across. The director of an upcoming 'My Name is Paul' film was
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It seems this gun was featured on the film's poster. This could be someone's signature firearm in Cap 2.

I could easily see this being Crossbones' gun. It sort of looks like a couple M1911 pistols that have been welded together.

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Yeah, even if they change composers they should still find a way to keep that main theme.


I loved both The Avengers and Captain America score. Silvestri really knows how to enhance scenes with his music. My favorite tracks are Stark Goes Green, Red Ledger, Helicarrier, A Promise, Avengers Assemble, and The Avengers. I hope to God they get Silvestri as long as almost everyone who worked on the first Avengers (Seamus Mcgarvey, ILM) to come back for the second.
The Avengers score is all kinds of uninspired. To the point that it takes me out of some scenes. There isn't much to it, other then that it blares out "dramatic" or "heroism". And because it is so generic, the score doesn't embody the characters, nor does it fit what is happening on screen. It isn't super identifiable like the Superman March, nor does it set a mood like Blade Runner. If you start comparing it to the legendary scores (Star Wars, Indy, STM, Blade Runner, Gone with the Wind, TGTBATU, Rocky, etc.), it falls really short, and doesn't really match up well with more modern stuff like (LOTR, Zimmerman's Batman, Harry Potter, Inception, P&P).

The closest the MCU has come to doing that is Thor, though Cap wasn't that far behind.

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I hate how Marvel switches out composers just like that. One thing the MCU really lacks is a consistent musical identity.
Well, with Cap I can see a switch. He had a certain sound for the 40's, there SHOULD be a different sound/theme for the present.
With Iron Man 1 & 2 and briefly in TA you did have AC/DC within the movies for Iron Man.
Hulk really hasn't had a chance mostly Percussion themed music.
Thor is of two worlds so that could play into different music too.

Personally, with each character still pretty much growing and changing I can see different musical changes as well.

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Yeah, even if they change composers they should still find a way to keep that main theme.


I loved both The Avengers and Captain America score. Silvestri really knows how to enhance scenes with his music. My favorite tracks are Stark Goes Green, Red Ledger, Helicarrier, A Promise, Avengers Assemble, and The Avengers. I hope to God they get Silvestri as long as almost everyone who worked on the first Avengers (Seamus Mcgarvey, ILM) to come back for the second.

I like the way you characterized Silvestri's music as enhancing scenes because to me that is exactly what a film composer should aim to do: enhance, rather than overwhelm or outshine. In both CA and TA, the music emphasized the emotional aspects of each scene or highlighted the action in subtle ways. Too many scores are become bombastic during action sequences and overly maudlin when there are emotional moments, but Silvestri's music hit the right note every time, pun intended.

To give an example, during the scene where Fury gave his long, emotionally-manipulative monologue after Coulson "died", the track They Called It served to simply underscore the the desolate emotions of the characters. It perfectly complemented the actors' performances without being intrusive. Some composers would have felt the need to beat the audience over the head with the intensity of emotion in that scene, but Silvestri wisely chose to poignantly underline it while allowing the actors to carry the moment.

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^^ Agreed.

I normally don't notice the score in movies unless:
a) it's overpowering and too loud or
b) it works so well and meshes that you subtly notice it.

I think a good score is one that is there in the background where you almost don't notice it, which in most cases in movies I don't notice the music that much. I actually want to try and listen for the scores more because I get caught up in the visuals a lot of the time, which isn't a bad thing lol.

I love good instrumentals, I have like 2 different Pandora stations that play movie scores and I love them when just relaxing, but within the context of a movie I rarely notice them.

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It would be cool to have a mention of Frank Castle aka the Punisher in this one. Like SHIELD is looking up files for Batroc, Crossbones, etc. for Cap and Frank Castle's name is one in the database that we see them scrolling past, as well as other people like Matt Murdock aka Daredevil, Leonard Lester(whatever his name is) aka Bullseye, Eric Williams aka Grim Reaper, Jacob Fury aka Scorpio, Samuel Sterns aka the Leader, Emil Blonsky aka Abomination, Eric Brooks aka Blade, etc. Even though they wouldn't click on those names, just seeing mentions of them in the database would be cool imo.

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Sounds pretty much like the scene in X2 where we see a list of names on a computer. It's neat enough, but I'd like to see something more inventive.

I mean maybe it would be cool to see a Punisher skull graffiti'd onto a building in the background of a scene, or a National Enquirer style tabloid newspaper on someone's desk with the headline Daywalker Vampire and maybe overhearing a news programme in the background of a scene talking about Matt Murdock in a trail involving Wilson Fisk.

Maybe a scene where Steve Rogers/Cap is walking down the street and walks past Tom Jane looking subtlety like the Punisher (like with a closed jacket and no skull symbol on show). Kinda like the issue of X-men where Cannonball (I think) walked past the Punisher on the street. I think those would be more entertaining squirreled away in the background of the odd scene here and there.

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Sounds pretty much like the scene in X2 where we see a list of names on a computer. It's neat enough, but I'd like to see something more inventive.

I mean maybe it would be cool to see a Punisher skull graffiti'd onto a building in the background of a scene, or a National Enquirer style tabloid newspaper on someone's desk with the headline Daywalker Vampire and maybe overhearing a news programme in the background of a scene talking about Matt Murdock in a trail involving Wilson Fisk.

Maybe a scene where Steve Rogers/Cap is walking down the street and walks past Tom Jane looking subtlety like the Punisher (like with a closed jacket and no skull symbol on show). Kinda like the issue of X-men where Cannonball (I think) walked past the Punisher on the street. I think those would be more entertaining squirreled away in the background of the odd scene here and there.
Yeah, the scene in X2 is what I had in mind. Only this makes more sense because it is SHIELD. I'd love to see a Punisher skull on a wall, or the National Enquirer idea you mentioned. I heard Kingpin was only "on loan" to Daredevil, and the rights to the character belong to Sony with Spider-Man.

Not fond of the Tom Jane idea, since the MCU shouldn't use Jane's Punisher, but instead go for their own version of him.

All in all, though, I'd prefer the SHIELD database idea because it's a way of getting more names out there at once in one scene.

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The Avengers score is all kinds of uninspired. To the point that it takes me out of some scenes. There isn't much to it, other then that it blares out "dramatic" or "heroism".
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And because it is so generic, the score doesn't embody the characters, nor does it fit what is happening on screen.
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It isn't super identifiable like the Superman March, nor does it set a mood like Blade Runner.
I can't think of a film more modern than LOTR that is super identifiable.

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If you start comparing it to the legendary scores (Star Wars, Indy, STM, Blade Runner, Gone with the Wind, TGTBATU, Rocky, etc.), it falls really short,
You're naming the best of the best, naturally it would fall short.

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and doesn't really match up well with more modern stuff like (LOTR, Zimmerman's Batman, Harry Potter, Inception, P&P).
Zimmer's Batman score is so forgettable to me. More so than most modern superhero movies. And Inception? What was so special about that score? If we're talking about films that came out in the same year, The King's Speech, Toy Story 3, The Social Network, How to Train Your Dragon, Tron: Legacy all had much more memorable scores.

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The closest the MCU has come to doing that is Thor, though Cap wasn't that far behind.
I love both of those scores, but there's just something about The Avengers score that elevates the movie.

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Yeah, the scene in X2 is what I had in mind. Only this makes more sense because it is SHIELD. I'd love to see a Punisher skull on a wall, or the National Enquirer idea you mentioned. I heard Kingpin was only "on loan" to Daredevil, and the rights to the character belong to Sony with Spider-Man.

Not fond of the Tom Jane idea, since the MCU shouldn't use Jane's Punisher, but instead go for their own version of him.

All in all, though, I'd prefer the SHIELD database idea because it's a way of getting more names out there at once in one scene.
Yeah, I wasn't sure about DD and/or Kingpin. I had thought they had both reverted back to Marvel, but wasn't sure.

Personally I liked Jane as Punisher. I think he had a lot of heart for the role and Dirty Laundry was great (imo). I would like to see that Punisher at least once on the big screen.

Though saying that if Marvel were to go with their own Punisher then it would maybe be better to have it be that guy, but if they have no plans for a new Punisher film then having Jane slyly cameo shouldn't be a bother since it would be a nice nod to the fans and it wouldn't really be confirming Jane as anything since it would just be an easter egg.

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I can't think of a film more modern than LOTR that is super identifiable.


You're naming the best of the best, naturally it would fall short.


Zimmer's Batman score is so forgettable to me. More so than most modern superhero movies. And Inception? What was so special about that score? If we're talking about films that came out in the same year, The King's Speech, Toy Story 3, The Social Network, How to Train Your Dragon, Tron: Legacy all had much more memorable scores.


I love both of those scores, but there's just something about The Avengers score that elevates the movie.
I agree. The score when you see the 360 shot of the team assembled makes the moment so epic. Gives me chills Everytime. Really elevated the scene

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The main Avengers theme was great, and truly helped define a lot of awesome moments in the movie (as a good theme should). I can't wait to hear it again in A2.

The rest of the soundtrack, honestly, wasn't too memorable for me. Outside of the main theme, I thought Silvestri did a better job with Cap.

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Are there any recent pics of Chris Evans? Do you guys think he should bulk up more for Cap 2? I thought he looked super "fit" but not as muscular as Cap should. He was a bit bigger in his solo film, and it'd be nice if he was back to that size (the suit does play a factor as well). I think Cavill's Superman has the perfect balance of size and definition that would suit Cap as well. (Hemworth has Thor's physique down perfectly, but that's too big for Cap IMO)

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Are there any recent pics of Chris Evans? Do you guys think he should bulk up more for Cap 2? I thought he looked super "fit" but not as muscular as Cap should. He was a bit bigger in his solo film, and it'd be nice if he was back to that size (the suit does play a factor as well). I think Cavill's Superman has the perfect balance of size and definition that would suit Cap as well. (Hemworth has Thor's physique down perfectly, but that's too big for Cap IMO)
Some would say it's not big enough:


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Are there any recent pics of Chris Evans? Do you guys think he should bulk up more for Cap 2? I thought he looked super "fit" but not as muscular as Cap should. He was a bit bigger in his solo film, and it'd be nice if he was back to that size (the suit does play a factor as well). I think Cavill's Superman has the perfect balance of size and definition that would suit Cap as well. (Hemworth has Thor's physique down perfectly, but that's too big for Cap IMO)
Chris Evans not being big enough in The Avengers is an illusion. It's the suit that makes him look smaller because its texture allows little contrast. Whenever he is in normal clothes he looks just as big as he was in TFA. The materials used in Man of Steel and TASM's suits are rather shiny, which is able to make each character look a lot more cut. Each area where there's a crease is darker and every area where there's a bulge is lighter, this gives the appearance of muscle tone.

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thanks for the post JB.. I'm going to watch these and really listen for the scores. It's hard for me to notice scores in movies usually, I can't listen to the music and the dialogue at once haha.

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Are there any recent pics of Chris Evans? Do you guys think he should bulk up more for Cap 2? I thought he looked super "fit" but not as muscular as Cap should. He was a bit bigger in his solo film, and it'd be nice if he was back to that size (the suit does play a factor as well). I think Cavill's Superman has the perfect balance of size and definition that would suit Cap as well. (Hemworth has Thor's physique down perfectly, but that's too big for Cap IMO)
Pic of Evans supposedly "with fan over Easter." I still think Marvel has told him he'll have a bulky suit again. The one in the first movie made him appear bigger than he actually was.


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Chris Evans not being big enough in The Avengers is an illusion. It's the suit that makes him look smaller because its texture allows little contrast. Whenever he is in normal clothes he looks just as big as he was in TFA. The materials used in Man of Steel and TASM's suits are rather shiny, which is able to make each character look a lot more cut. Each area where there's a crease is darker and every area where there's a bulge is lighter, this gives the appearance of muscle tone.

I've read that Cavill's super-suit actually has a molded silicone padding layer underneath that was formed from a cast of his muscles, supposedly to ensure that his musculature looked the same in all shots. Given that the suit shows veins and muscles even when on display (not to mention that ginormous codpiece) that seems to be true.

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