Justice League: News and Speculation - Part 5

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by The Infernal

Which seems to be the go-to fanboy argument these days. They're lying because it's convenient for my argument and I'd like it to be true.

The only thing that matters is the track record of the individual, not the industry. People can say that Abrams or Whedon or whoever "lied" about their movies all they want, but has Nolan every purposefully deceived anyone?

Last I checked, Nolan has been pretty up front about addressing rumors and divulging the necessary information about his involvement in these projects. If anyone has any evidence to show that he's backtracked from his stances that A) Man of Steel and his Dark Knight trilogy were written to be solo projects and not cross pollinate with other characters, B) He's not doing any production work on Man of Steel, and C) He's moved on to other projects, feel free to share.

[TheVileOne]

Abrams did lie to himself.

I think Nolan did lie about Talia and Miranda Tate. But that's a big plot twist/spoiler, so there you go.

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by mclay18

So barring the WW fanfilm BS 'scoop', hasn't Mayimbe's WB/DC track record been very good? I still think there's truth to it, despite LR's attitude and swagger.

This year alone were wrong about the Planet Hulk/WWH rumor, Adam Sandler/Jim Carrey GOTG rumor, Jason Momoa GOTG rumor, Han Solo/Ford rumor. That's why I don't cover news from there anymore. I used to use them as a credible source like everyone else, but every recent rumor has been debunked. Last I checked the last rumor they got right was the GOTG film being greenlit last April (something I already knew on my own was in the works for years).

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

Abrams did lie to himself.

I think Nolan did lie about Talia and Miranda Tate. But that's a big plot twist/spoiler, so there you go.

Oh yeah obviously he's not going to spoil his own movie. No one who wants to work for a studio on a big project would do that. Same for Abrams and the ST/ST2 rumors. But in regards to production details he's always been up front and his involvement and what his vision of the characters is.

[BatLobsterRises]

But if it's okay for Abrams to change his mind, why couldn't the same happen for Nolan?

Let's not forget the talk about him not thinking Robin could work in his world. Guess what, he found a way to make it work.

[Tony Stark]

Yes LR lost their credibility a while back. Look no one can know for certain if this is 100% true or not, other than Nolan and Bale, but there's little evidence it's true other than the internet rumor mill.

[shauner111]

I don't believe Whedon one bit when he says it's nonsense. Means nothing.

[Tony Stark]

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises

But if it's okay for Abrams to change his mind, why couldn't the same happen for Nolan?

Let's not forget the talk about him not thinking Robin could work in his world. Guess what, he found a way to make it work.

That's a stretch. First off Abrams has said he was a fan of Star Wars, not Star Trek, and when he did the first Star Trek, he said he wanted it more like Star Wars (i.e. more action, less talk about escorting the Ambassador to Tarrel IV, or tacheon fields).

I don't see how Nolan would have any interest in doing a film about an Amazon princess and a guy with a magic ring, meeting with his version of Batman, and Goyer's Superman.

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises

Let's not forget the talk about him not thinking Robin could work in his world. Guess what, he found a way to make it work.

Hah funny you mention that, one of my old writers did research into this:

http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/0...k-knight-rises

[Sub-Zero]

They're all just rumors now. This "exclusive" has caused such an uproar, and nothing is confirmed. We've gone through 2 threads already ill bet the mods lock this one tonight.

Bale coming back doesn't make sense, but Nolan's involvement does.

[BatLobsterRises]

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

That's a stretch. First off Abrams has said he was a fan of Star Wars, not Star Trek, and when he did the first Star Trek, he said he wanted it more like Star Wars (i.e. more action, less talk about escorting the Ambassador to Tarrel IV, or tacheon fields).

I don't see how Nolan would have any interest in doing a film about an Amazon princess and a guy with a magic ring, meeting with his version of Batman, and Goyer's Superman.

I don't either. But a World's Finest film, as is being heavily rumored right now, with just his and Goyer's Batman and Superman is a different story. That has a lot more prestige and gravitas then just making Batman another one of the gang.

[shauner111]

Originally Posted by Sub-Zero

Bale coming back doesn't make sense, but Nolan's involvement does.

It makes sense, when you make a story for it that works. Just like Bruce's retirement & comeback story after 8 years in TDKR worked even though it didn't make sense to people beforehand.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises

But if it's okay for Abrams to change his mind, why couldn't the same happen for Nolan?

Let's not forget the talk about him not thinking Robin could work in his world. Guess what, he found a way to make it work.

True. There's a difference between lieing and changing your mind. I think if Nolan does take on JLA it will be because he changed his mind.

He thought one thing, circumstances changed , he decided to do something else. I know alot of fans took what he said as a vow, but he's a filmmaker, not Moses bringing down the 10 commandments.

[BatLobsterRises]

My point of view on this has always been that a simple Batman/Superman film would be the best way to go. It's not just a teamup movie then, there would be an epic conflict there as well. Man vs. God. I really do see why bringing back Bale's Batman could enhance that "clash of the titans" feel that such a movie would be going after. Especially because Man of Steel seems to be shaped similarly to Batman Begins, in that it's asking "What would happen if someone like this showed up in the real world?" Well once you do that, that automatically means it makes the most sense for Batman (IF there was a Batman in that universe) to be more reality-based. It just makes the most sense for the inherent conflict there. So that gives them the option of rebooting a Batman that's similar to the 2 billion dollar "realistic" Batman that nobody is forgetting about any time soon...or bringing back 2 billion dollar Batman.

Look, if Bale or Nolan end up hitting the brakes on this, that wouldn't surprise me. But right now, it makes a lot of sense as to why things could potentially be moving in this direction.

Originally Posted by Frodo

True. There's a difference between lieing and changing your mind. I think if Nolan does take on JLA it will be because he changed his mind.

He thought one thing, circumstances changed , he decided to do something else. I know alot of fans took what he said as a vow, but he's a filmmaker, not Moses bringing down the 10 commandments.

Exactly. Nolan is more a slave to story than to his word. I think if he thought there was a good story waiting to be told, he'd gladly go back on his word to see it come to fruition.

[TheVileOne]

There was never anything preventing Nolan from doing some sort of overseeing or producer type work on Justice League. Just like there wasn't one for him having a role with the new Superman reboot. I'm sure WB would love to have Nolan play around the same way on every project involving a DC comic character.

But Justice League would still prohibit a connection to his Batman trilogy.

Bale and Nolan don't have to be liars for Nolan to have some level influence or doing work on Justice League.

Now suddenly make Justice League canon to the Nolan Bat trilogy then well . . . IMPOSSIBRU!

[shauner111]

A Worlds Finest could work better for Nolan and Bale. And i would be up for it, but i dont know if WB wants to do that and scrap Justice League. I guess if they can lock Chris and Christian and dont have faith in Green Lantern anymore. Plus u never know if they'll just say "Screw it..we cant get Flash or Wonder Woman off the ground in their own movies either".

I might actually prefer a World's Finest with Cavill/Snyder teaming up with Bale/Nolan/Goyer. The thought of Barry Allen, Hal Jordan & Diana Prince thrown in the mix is cool but it is really outlandish on top of Supermans abilities. Heck, maybe the plan is to get Nolan and Bale on board for World's Finest and NOT Justice League, and if Bale declines they'll just reboot Batman and go through with JL anyway. Nolan could be on board regardless as a producer.

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by shauner111

Just like Bruce's retirement & comeback story after 8 years in TDKR worked even though it didn't make sense to people beforehand.

There are still people questioning that one...

[TheVileOne]

The only way it works is that you say this is another version of Bruce Wayne/Batman and Bale is just playing him again just a different way.

But then audiences would be confused and wouldn't get it.

Don't believe me? When Begins came out audiences were confused and weren't sure if it was a prequel to 1989 or a remake.

[Poni_Boy]

Originally Posted by redfirebird2008

There are still people questioning that one...

"I thought Batman doesn't quit?"

Plenty of people. Most that I know, comics and non comics fans, still laugh about it when it gets brought up.

[DigificWriter]

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises

But if it's okay for Abrams to change his mind, why couldn't the same happen for Nolan?

Let's not forget the talk about him not thinking Robin could work in his world. Guess what, he found a way to make it work.

Tony Stark already addressed this, but Abrams was interested in SW but initially turned down the project because he had committed to working on Star Trek for Paramount. He ended up changing his mind only after Kathy Kennedy refused to take no for an answer and kept pursuing him as her first choice for director.

Conversely, Nolan has flat-out said several times that he has absolutely no interest in godfathering a DCCU and has no real reason to change his mind.

Edit: I decided to add an example from my own life. My sister really wants me to read Ender's Game, but I have absolutely no interest in doing so and have repeatedly made that clear. She still continues to try and convince me, but there's absolutely nothing she could do to generate any interest on my part in reading the book.

The same type of situation exists with Nolan and this DCCU thing. There's nothing that anyone could do to get him interested in something he currently has no interest in whatsoever.

Edit 2: Nolan didn't 'make Robin work' in his universe; he created a new Batman and gave him the first name of Robin as an in-joke nod to the fans.

[TheVileOne]

I'm over it now. It's Nolan's story he went his own way with it.

But it pretty much absolutely prohibits Bale/Nolan Batman meeting the Justice League.

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises

Exactly. Nolan is more a slave to story than to his word. I think if he thought there was a good story waiting to be told, he'd gladly go back on his word to see it come to fruition.

Yeah. I'd never thought Nolan would get involved with a Superman movie, not in a million years. Then come early 2010, and that was changed.

Perhaps Nolan read some of the JL comics (or saw the animated series) and thought "Maybe there's a story here to be told with my version of Batman." If that was the case, he and Goyer would've whipped up a story outline and pitched it to WB. That's probably what happened if this pans out.

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

I'm over it now. It's Nolan's story he went his own way with it.

But it pretty much absolutely prohibits Bale/Nolan Batman meeting the Justice League.

Only absolute prohibition would have been if they killed him off. I'm kind of wishing they did. I enjoyed the happy ending for Bruce after all the crap he went through in the three movies. But if you told me last year that they were just going to drag him into Justice League a few years down the line, I would have said "no thanks, please just kill him off."

[DigificWriter]

Originally Posted by mclay18

Yeah. I'd never thought Nolan would get involved with a Superman movie, not in a million years. Then come early 2010, and that was changed.

Perhaps Nolan read some of the JL comics (or saw the animated series) and thought "Maybe there's a story here to be told with my version of Batman." If that was the case, he and Goyer would've whipped up a story outline and pitched it to WB. That's probably what happened if this pans out.

Nolan has repeatedly said that Man of Steel was developed as a singular, self-contained entity, not something that is meant to tie into a giant shared universe, which is the same thing he did with the Dark Knight Trilogy.

[redfirebird2008]

This is one of the few times where I hope CBM turns out to be right.