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Old 03-07-2013, 04:51 AM   #76
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Watched TASM for the second time. Still didn't like it.

Won't stop me from being hopeful about TASM 2 though.

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Watched TASM for the second time. Still didn't like it.

Won't stop me from being hopeful about TASM 2 though.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:34 AM   #79
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Geez I'll never understand why there is so much hate for Avi

He gave us two excellent Spider-man movies and a decent one,Yet people hate him for his involvement in SM3

For the record,he rejected the initial script for SM2 which had Black Cat,Vulture and another Villian and we got SM2 in its place,thats the thing with Scripts,Sometimes your instincts are right(SM2) and sometimes they go wrong(SM3)

And which producer has hundred percent record

I guess people will only be happy when Spidey goes back to Marvel and we start getting cookie cutter,dull movies like TIH and CapAm

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I think after this series come to an end, Spider-Man movies should lay low for a while
Maybe a decade or two

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Geez I'll never understand why there is so much hate for Avi

He gave us two excellent Spider-man movies and a decent one,Yet people hate him for his involvement in SM3

For the record,he rejected the initial script for SM2 which had Black Cat,Vulture and another Villian and we got SM2 in its place,thats the thing with Scripts,Sometimes your instincts are right(SM2) and sometimes they go wrong(SM3)

And which producer has hundred percent record

I guess people will only be happy when Spidey goes back to Marvel and we start getting cookie cutter,dull movies like TIH and CapAm
The only thing Avi did with SM3 was getting Sam Raimi to use Venom as opposed to Vulture.

Anything else is Sam Raimi's fault. Sam Raimi wrote it and he directed it.

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The only thing Avi did with SM3 was getting Sam Raimi to use Venom as opposed to Vulture.

Anything else is Sam Raimi's fault. Sam Raimi wrote it and he directed it.
And I can never thank him enough for killing Venom in his movie

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Watched TASM for the second time. Still didn't like it.

Won't stop me from being hopeful about TASM 2 though.
wow you seem to be very positive,
just a question what you didnŽt like of the movie and what did you like?

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She could have been a cashier or work in a mall....in the fragrance or teens clothing department.
She works at a sandwich shop, and I don't know any sandwich shops that have waiter/waitesses so she probably is a cashier. The reason being its on the street where that car gets thrown, so it could be just a one scene thing that shows her reaction to the whole thing, then Spidey swoops down and takes her away from any danger. It's not like the MJ from SM1, who was a definite waitress at a dingy diner. This MJ appears to work behind the counter, only similarity is that they both worked at a food place, which I don't really think is anything worth complaining about, unless you want to complain because you enjoy it lol


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Waitress and Cashier are two different occupations

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Yeah, and this MJ appears to be a cashier. That place is a sandwich shop, and typically sandwich shops don't have waiters, considering it specializes in one thing and looks like a sleeker more modern Subway or something.

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Geez I'll never understand why there is so much hate for Avi

He gave us two excellent Spider-man movies and a decent one,Yet people hate him for his involvement in SM3

For the record,he rejected the initial script for SM2 which had Black Cat,Vulture and another Villian and we got SM2 in its place,thats the thing with Scripts,Sometimes your instincts are right(SM2) and sometimes they go wrong(SM3)

And which producer has hundred percent record

I guess people will only be happy when Spidey goes back to Marvel and we start getting cookie cutter,dull movies like TIH and CapAm
I believe it was also Arad that suggested Doc Ock be a young man who was infatuated with Mary Jane resulting in a love triangle between them and Peter.

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I think after this series come to an end, Spider-Man movies should lay low for a while
Maybe a decade or two
I'm not waiting a decade or two for my Spidey. Besides, Sony only has about a 5 year window to make another Spidey film or the movie rights revert back to Disney/Marvel. I hate Marvel Studio Films--and I will fight like a bionic ninja to stop that from happening.

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The only thing Avi did with SM3 was getting Sam Raimi to use Venom as opposed to Vulture.

Anything else is Sam Raimi's fault. Sam Raimi wrote it and he directed it.
Its a pity people dont understand this.He simply convinced the director to use Venom and he did

People make it see like he went 'Use Venom and do terrible bastardisation of the character and dont introduce him for more than 5 minutes,and also make Peter Parker emo,dancing brat and MJ a bihct'

Its like 80% Raimi's fault and 20% Arad's fault

People make him responsible for the deleted scenes of SM3 and TASM too when there is no prove whatsoever that he did it

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I believe it was also Arad that suggested Doc Ock be a young man who was infatuated with Mary Jane resulting in a love triangle between them and Peter.

When did this happen?

We are talking about his career as a producer

SM1,SM2,TASM.He got it right 3/4

How come he is a terrible director?

Should I blame Chris Nolan if MOS turns out be bad?

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Its a pity people dont understand this.He simply convinced the director to use Venom and he did

People make it see like he went 'Use Venom and do terrible bastardisation of the character and dont introduce him for more than 5 minutes,and also make Peter Parker emo,dancing brat and MJ a bihct'

Its like 80% Raimi's fault and 20% Arad's fault

People make him responsible for the deleted scenes of SM3 and TASM too when there is no prove whatsoever that he did it
Not really, because Avi Arad also had to convince Sony, adding Venom means MORE MONEY to the budget. Once you've got Sony on board with Arad, Sam Raimi has no choice, especially when the end game is...it'll make more money at the box office. As SM3 is Spider-Man's biggest film to date, regardless of it sucking ass.

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The only thing Avi did with SM3 was getting Sam Raimi to use Venom as opposed to Vulture.

Anything else is Sam Raimi's fault. Sam Raimi wrote it and he directed it.
You act like it's just one tiny little thing that the studio forced Raimi to do. Raimi who already had a working story/script for SM3 was forced to go back and rework the ENTIRE thing to somehow fit/shoehorn the symbioate story/Venom into it. That's like working from the ground up.

Sam is responsible for the script/direction, but placing all the blame on him for everything else is foolish. I can't imagine having a story in mind and then, under great duress and being already behind the eight ball, being forced to go back and rework it under studio mandate. So don't act like it's some minor, menial thing.


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I believe it was also Arad that suggested Doc Ock be a young man who was infatuated with Mary Jane resulting in a love triangle between them and Peter.

Michael Chabon had originally written a treatment (from which SM2 used much material from) which had Octavius as a younger man with Mary Jane and Peter in a sort of love triangle.

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I believe it was also Arad that suggested Doc Ock be a young man who was infatuated with Mary Jane resulting in a love triangle between them and Peter.
That's incorrect. Michael Chabon wrote the story that way...he wanted a young Doc Ock and the love triangle with MJ. It was actually Arad that pushed for the version that we got in SM2...an older Doc with no triangle. He even says so in the SM2 special features..."I don't want a love triangle; not with our main villain; not like that..." We should be thanking Arad for what he did.

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Its a pity people dont understand this.He simply convinced the director to use Venom and he did

People make it see like he went 'Use Venom and do terrible bastardisation of the character and dont introduce him for more than 5 minutes,and also make Peter Parker emo,dancing brat and MJ a bihct'

Its like 80% Raimi's fault and 20% Arad's fault

People make him responsible for the deleted scenes of SM3 and TASM too when there is no prove whatsoever that he did it

I love that you state these figures like they're factual.

What's a pity is that people don't seem to understand what happens when a director with a great creative vision and track record is forced by the studio to rework his vision from the ground up by incorporating an element (the symbiote) into the script that wasn't originally there. If you've ever written fiction/a story/a script then you'd understand how difficult that would be, especially under massive time constraints.

Whatever people think about the dancing or whatever is not the problem, it's the clunky, slapped together, made by committee script.


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When did this happen?

We are talking about his career as a producer

SM1,SM2,TASM.He got it right 3/4

How come he is a terrible director?

Should I blame Chris Nolan if MOS turns out be bad?

TASM did NOT get it right. lol. Terrible, slapped together script.

I missed the part where Arad wrote and directed his own series of hit movies? Remind me about that part please.

Arad is like a parastic creature that latches on to a much stronger creature for survival. That's the only way his kind survive. He doesn't have a creative bone in his body. Just listen to him talk.

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That's incorrect. Michael Chabon wrote the story that way...he wanted a young Doc Ock and the love triangle with MJ. It was actually Arad that pushed for the version that we got in SM2...an older Doc with no triangle. He even says so in the SM2 special features..."I don't want a love triangle; not with our main villain; not like that..." We should be thanking Arad for what he did.

I'll bet anything that Raimi was the one that wanted the older Octavius. Arad is a revisionist bastard. he will say exactly what he thinks others want to hear and especially what makes him look best. He's a parasite, leeching off of others who do the heavy lifting as far as creative ideas go. It's hilarious that people think this guy deserves ANY kind of accolades.

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^ lol. Arad is the symbiote.

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I'll bet anything that Raimi was the one that wanted the older Octavius. Arad is a revisionist bastard. he will say exactly what he thinks others want to hear and especially what makes him look best. He's a parasite, leeching off of others who do the heavy lifting as far as creative ideas go. It's hilarious that people think this guy deserves ANY kind of accolades.
I was just going off what Arad has stated. Do you have proof that Raimi did or said otherwise? It's possible that Arad may be lying, however there's nothing that I know of to show differently. He said he was against the young Doc Ock...I believe him.

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^ lol. Arad is the symbiote.

That's why he pushed so hard for it. He identifies with it.

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I love that you state these figures like they're factual.

What's a pity is that people don't seem to understand what happens when a director with a great creative vision and track record is forced by the studio to rework his vision from the ground up by incorporating an element (the symbiote) into the script that wasn't originally there. If you've ever written fiction/a story/a script then you'd understand how difficult that would be, especially under massive time constraints.

Whatever people think about the dancing or whatever is not the problem, it's the clunky, slapped together, made by committee script.





TASM did NOT get it right. lol. Terrible, slapped together script.

I missed the part where Arad wrote and directed his own series of hit movies? Remind me about that part please.

Arad is like a parastic creature that latches on to a much stronger creature for survival. That's the only way his kind survive. He doesn't have a creative bone in his body. Just listen to him talk.
This is the least accurate statement regarding TASM that I've seen yet

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