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Whats the matter with this Mysterios Vessel...
Is this just another Starfleet Ship? Or is this Robert April's Old Ship? Who knows, but I'm sure it will play a key role in Star Trek into Darkness. What do you think? Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
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From the prequel comic...
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Whatever Enterprise it was, it can't be a Federation Starship. The 1701 was the first federation starship to bear the name.
I'm very curious to all this.
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If we are to take the last Star Trek show to be canon, whatever ones opinions of the quality of the show, it is official. Then the Starship NX-01 is an "Enterprise" as well.
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Also, just in case this is what you're implying, April could not have commanded the NX-01 as that ship was decommissioned in 2161. So what Ent could April be referring to?
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Oh yeah, I get what you mean. I was just saying that there had been an Enterprise wayyyyyy back.
Mind you, sometimes I want to forget "Enterprise" aired. Which is a shame, it had promise toward the end... Anyhows, you are dead right. April did command the Federation Starship Enterprise, but it was the same one as Kirks. Of course that was before JJ and team created the alternate bloody timeline. Perhaps the Enterprise April commanded was kind of like the space shuttle Enterprise. An experimental test design of some kind that was never meant to be a full commission. But of course we all know that ships named Enterprise have a way of getting into big trouble on a regular basis! I dunno, it`s getting a bit late here and that is the best I can come up with...
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But yeah, this is why I'm wondering what Ent they are talking about. As Archers is LOOOONG gone and it seems Pike was overseeing this versions development. Quote:
And if Bob Orci and co ARE respecting Trek canon, then the 1701 HAS to be the first Federation ship.
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What if the Enterprise we got introduced to in the 2009 film is actually the 1701-A of this universe, not the original.
Maybe after the attack on the Kelvin, instead of holding off on the Constitution class ships like we once thought, they actually rushed it and made the 1701 earlier than in the Prime Universe. Now about 20 years later, the ship is decommissioned and Kirk's ship is actually the second 1701. Last edited by GRangerPrimeNYC; 03-18-2013 at 06:58 PM. |
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^^^
It's the only likely explanation in my mind to be honest. But this raises the question of why doesn't the registry of Kirk`s Enterprise reflect that? I can guess the real reason! But what will the in-universe answer be? ![]() Edit Maybe April`s ship will have been NCC-1700, the first Constitution class starship off of the production line? That's all I've got.
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But that's from the original time-line. So I am assuming it is alterable...?
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It is all possible. Just have to wait and see really ![]()
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I posted this in another thread.
![]() I believe April had the 1701 we knew and loved from TOS, it was decomissioned 2 years prior to ST2009 and replaced with a larger, newer Enterprise we know from the movie. The ship design and bridge look more like 1701 from TOS. April's Enterprise IS the same Enterprise from TOS. Look at the shape of the ship, look at the picture of the Bridge. The original launch date of the NCC-1701 Enterprise was 2245. In TOS, Kirk took command of the Enterprise in 2265, but in ST2009, he took command 2258, a whole 7 years before he was supposed to. Now, Spock was supposed to be on Pike's crew 15 years prior to serving with Kirk (per "The Menagerie"). That means that April was supposed to have the Enterprise for 1 5-year mission, then turn it over the Pike, Pike had the Enterprise until 2265 when Kirk took over, but in the ST2009 timeline, he took it over after earlier. Due to Nero, the Original Enterprise 1701 was decommissioned into Pike's 3rd 5-year mission. So, he had only 1, and into his second he oversaw the development of the "New and Improved" Constitution Class Enterprise that is MUCH larger than the Original 1701. Perhaps the person that would have come up with the new naming convention died or was replaced, or shifted over to another field and the A, B, C, etc convention was lost. Look at the design of the ship and of the bridge, while not exactly like Kirk's TOS Bridge, it is a lot closer than the the 2009 movie has.
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I got a feeling this ship will make it's triumphant return in Into Darkness, with Harrison at the captain's chair and than it ends up being the ship crashing into the bay we see in every trailer and preview.
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This Federation Ship looks like it's Armored. Could be a Prototyp.
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Here's some shots of the ship that crashes into the bay.
It has the shape usually associated with Enterprises, but it isn't the silhouette of this Kirk's Enterprise. Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
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I never noticed that. Thanks for point that out! Last edited by BustersDogFood; 04-02-2013 at 04:55 PM. Reason: typo |
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The new trailer proves your theory correct.
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OMG, awesome!
![]() But the question now is, Is this April's Enterprise, or something entirely different. |
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But where April's Enterprise could fit into all this is still a good question.
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that other ship looks like an Excelsior ship
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It's a new Starfleet Battleship . Dreadnaught Class. I suspect it's a Super Secret Prototype. And by the way: That thing looks Badass! I wonder what the Name will be...
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Hmm, I wonder will Kirk and crew take over the bigger ship by movie's end? Hmm...? I woder how many people it holds overall and what kind of new weapons..
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