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Old 12-01-2013, 09:46 AM   #276
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I rather doubt there will be a dozen different supervillains showing up in the show's first season. Its only thirteen episodes, and I guarantee you, it won't be villain-of-the-week. There will be both recurring villains, and episodes not involving a costumed villain at all, I am certain.

I would say the Kingpin is definite, and Bullseye is definite. Beyond that, there may be two or three other supervillains.

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Old 12-01-2013, 11:14 AM   #277
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Gladiator's look and powers could be really iconic in live action with those whirling blades, especially if he had been in a movie. If you're going to have Gladiator, then Deathstalker should follow close behind, along with Man Thing.

And don't forget that once DD fought both Gladiator and the Beetle together. Also, both Gladiator and the Beetle are Iron Man villains (the Beetle has also fought Spidey).
Beetle doesn't work on a TV budget though, his suit would involve way too many special effects. You have to have a cost benefit analysis for every villain, how important are they to the DD mythos and Beetle costs too much and is not important enough to DD's mythos to justify that cost.

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I rather doubt there will be a dozen different supervillains showing up in the show's first season. Its only thirteen episodes, and I guarantee you, it won't be villain-of-the-week. There will be both recurring villains, and episodes not involving a costumed villain at all, I am certain.

I would say the Kingpin is definite, and Bullseye is definite. Beyond that, there may be two or three other supervillains.
Well I would agree with that to, to an extent. I think the main story will be Kingpin and Matt Murdock and I think there will be episodes without super villains. But here is the thing, why would Bullseye be the only super merc that Kingpin would hire to take out DD? Wouldn't make more sense for Kingpin to have several super mercs on his pay roll to throw at DD? Kingpin likely will be a hidden villain for part of the series and will not want to get his hands dirty, so having a variety of super mercs makes sense. Also not all the villains have to appear in the first season, having some appear in the second season would work. There doesn't have to super villains in every episodes, but I think Kingpin could use mercs besides Bullseye. Someone like Bullet doesn't have a costume, but is tougher then a normal mook.

Also I think you would need Owl for a gang war story, because he is the second most prominent crime boss villain in the DD universe and I think you can make a good contrast between him and Kingpin, with Kingpin being cool and in control, while Owl is psycho with a temper who spills blood at the drop of a hat. Owl is a more dynamic character then Kingpin's lieutenants in Miller Gang war story, so I would prefer Owl over the lieutenants.

I also think Gladiator is an important villain, because I like the story in the comics, where he starts out as a villain and later reformed into a supporting cast member, it shows that DD can help redeem some of the criminals he fights.


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Old 12-01-2013, 11:42 AM   #278
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Kingpin, Elektra, the Hand and Bullseye are a given. I hope that we see the Gladiator, the Owl, Typhoid Mary and Mister Fear / Larry Cranston (if they succeeded in making him different from the Scarecrow)

The one I would love to see on screen is Deathstalker. Pretty sure he can be done on tv budget (some kind of ghost in black outfit from the 50's is easy to do, I presume)

Maybe Ikari can be cool, even if he's a reverse DD (who can see) Bullet, ammo can work in the appropriate story. Bushwacker may be cooler than them but I don't know if the shape shiffting arm can be done on a tv budget (possible) and Purple Man can be creepy if done right.

Stiltman ? His costume would be very expensive to do such a goofy bad guy. The Jester ? Too much of a joker rip off.


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Old 12-01-2013, 12:25 PM   #279
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Kingpin, Elektra, the Hand and Bullseye are a given. I hope that we see the Gladiator, the Owl, Typhoid Mary and Mister Fear / Larry Cranston (if they succeeded in making him different from the Scarecrow)

The one I would love to see on screen is Deathstalker. Pretty sure he can be done on tv budget (some kind of ghost in black outfit from the 50's is easy to do, I presume)

Maybe Ikari can be cool, even if he's a reverse DD (who can see) Bullet, ammo can work in the appropriate story. Bushwacker may be cooler than them but I don't know if the shape shiffting arm can be done on a tv budget (possible) and Purple Man can be creepy if done right.

Stiltman ? His costume would be very expensive to do such a goofy bad guy. The Jester ? Too much of a joker rip off.
Well I think which villains should and should not appear, depends on the tone and the main story, you don't want a villain who detracts from the tone and seems to detract too much from the main story. But you can have a villain of the week and move the main story forward through sub plots.

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If Gladiator does appear, he shouldn't start reforming until quite a way in. If the show had more than one season, they should leave it until then, and keep him firmly a bad guy for the first season. He would require some special effects though - particularly his saw blades.

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Old 12-01-2013, 09:57 PM   #281
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If Gladiator does appear, he shouldn't start reforming until quite a way in. If the show had more than one season, they should leave it until then, and keep him firmly a bad guy for the first season. He would require some special effects though - particularly his saw blades.
Well if Gladiator appears, I would want his reform to be in the second or third season, so it would have more of an impact.

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Old 12-02-2013, 05:43 AM   #282
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Well I think which villains should and should not appear, depends on the tone and the main story, you don't want a villain who detracts from the tone and seems to detract too much from the main story. But you can have a villain of the week and move the main story forward through sub plots.
Of course, the main story is what will determine the villain used. As for the tone, I suppose that we want to see a mostly dark DD. Of course, there will be some humor, because it's the MCU, but the story has to be dark and grounded in the dirty streets of Hell's Kitchen.

With Spiderman being with Sony, DD is now the prototype of the street level hero in the MCU, the guy that will fight to protect the neighbourhood from the street level villain.

I just hope that they won't stay with the Kingpin / Bullseye / Elektra traditionnal combo.

To be honest, if they fit the story, any villain that I named can work. And if they tried to do a Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk parallel ascension, they can use Alexander Bont as the previous Kingpin that Fisk will replace in the course of the season. Bont, being an old school godfather, will see his power crumble with the rise of the supervillain (Owl, the Hand, etc) and the action of Daredevil.

Goofy villain (Stiltman, Lip frog, Matador and co), on the other hand, have no place in a dark story.


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Well if Gladiator appears, I would want his reform to be in the second or third season, so it would have more of an impact.
Yep, even later would be better. But he would have to be a really nasty villain for the first few times he appears, and maybe not even completely trust worthy when he does start the path to redemption.

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Of course, the main story is what will determine the villain used. As for the tone, I suppose that we want to see a mostly dark DD. Of course, there will be some humor, because it's the MCU, but the story has to be dark and grounded in the dirty streets of Hell's Kitchen.

With Spiderman being with Sony, DD is now the prototype of the street level hero in the MCU, the guy that will fight to protect the neighbourhood from the street level villain.

I just hope that they won't stay with the Kingpin / Bullseye / Elektra traditionnal combo.

To be honest, if they fit the story, any villain that I named can work. And if they tried to do a Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk parallel ascension, they can use Alexander Bont as the previous Kingpin that Fisk will replace in the course of the season. Bont, being an old school godfather, will see his power crumble with the rise of the supervillain (Owl, the Hand, etc) and the action of Daredevil.

Goofy villain (Stiltman, Lip frog, Matador and co), on the other hand, have no place in a dark story.

I'd really enjoy that.

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I do hope they explore Kingpin's rise to power. It's one of the things I really enjoyed about Bendis's run.

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So what do we know of Defenders villains?

Here's all that I know

Daredevil
Nuke
Kingpin
Bullseye
Elektra
Mr. Fear
Jester
Gladiator
Blackheart
Bullet
Bushwacker
Typhoid Mary
Owl
Spot
Death Stalker

Luke Cage
Purple Man
High-Tech
Chemistro
The Hood

Iron Fist
Harold Meachum
Steel Serpent
Thunderer

And I know of no Jessica Jones villains who are likely to appear in her show.


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Oh, and how will Typhoid Mary, Owl and Death Stalker gain their powers if Mutants aren't allowed?

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Death Stalker got his powers from a time displacer ray in the first place. It kept him trapped between two dimensions, much like that guy in the last episode of Agents of SHIELD. That displacer ray only caused a mutation, which is what the Vita Rays and the Super Soldier Serum did to Steve Rogers, or the spider bite did to Peter Parker.

So whether there are no mutants allowed or not, that doesn't have any effect on Death Stalker's origin. It's not like he was born with his powers.

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There are a number of ways to get around the mutant thing. They could use Extremis, or a version of the Super Soldier Serum, or it could be some other kind of thing entirely. As for who could be the villain who causes the Defenders to come together, Kingpin is the obvious choice. However, I kind of want it to be The Purple Man. Despite his extremely stupid bad guy name, his power does make him very dangerous and he's one of the most detestable villains in the MCU.

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There are a number of ways to get around the mutant thing. They could use Extremis, or a version of the Super Soldier Serum, or it could be some other kind of thing entirely. As for who could be the villain who causes the Defenders to come together, Kingpin is the obvious choice. However, I kind of want it to be The Purple Man. Despite his extremely stupid bad guy name, his power does make him very dangerous and he's one of the most detestable villains in the MCU.
It doesn't have to be stupid though. It could just be a code name that either SHIELD or the Defenders give him. He could go by his real name of Zebediah Killgrave, just that he is coloured purple. After all, in the Ang Lee Hulk movie (which was supposed to be even more serious) they gave the Hulk the nickname "Angry Man". How is that more sensible and more serious than "Hulk"?

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They COULD make it work, I agree with that. It's just that "Purple Man" sounds less like a supervillain name and more like a stripper moniker. Still, he is a good villain and my larger argument about using him still stands.

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They are Gifted.

Its the word 'Mutant' that isn't allowed, not the idea of a natural genetic superhuman.

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So nobody knows any villains who I didn't name who are specific to Jessica Jones, Luke Cage or Iron Fist?

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Bushmaster (the first one named John McIver, not his younger brother Quincy, who became the 2nd one). The first was a crime boss and foe of Iron Fist and Misty Knight. I think he had something to do with trying to reverse the experiment that gave Luke Cage his powers and died as a result.

The 2nd Bushmaster was part of the Serpent Society.

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Yep, even later would be better. But he would have to be a really nasty villain for the first few times he appears, and maybe not even completely trust worthy when he does start the path to redemption.
Well the thing is, when Stan Lee wrote Gladiator, he was just a thug and a bully. Miller retconned him into a psychotic who thought he was a Roman Gladiator, that is how he got redeemed. I think if they used Gladiator he should be a psychotic who gets used as a pawn by more evil villains for a couple of seasons, then he gets the mental help he needs to be normal citizen.

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Owl is not a mutant, he was originally a crime boss who used a serum that gave him limited flight abilities, however this serum took a toll on his body and his sanity, and now he is quite crazed and bestial. I think Owl would work better in this show if he was less like a generic crime boss/Kingpin wannabe and more like Tuco from Breaking Bad, a psycho crime boss with a wicked temper who commits violence at the drop of a hat. Any civility he has is a pretense, an attempt to add his true bestial nature. While Kingpin is cool and in control, Owl is always on the brink of violence and can't control his temper.


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So nobody knows any villains who I didn't name who are specific to Jessica Jones, Luke Cage or Iron Fist?
Fera and Master Kahn are Iron Fist villains, both from K'un Lun. They're a bit on the obscure side though.

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I think Marvel should take one element and another of "brubaker's arc" for this TV series...

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Here's a very out-of-left-field choice for Murdock..Ewan McGregor?

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Here's a very out-of-left-field choice for Murdock..Ewan McGregor?

Actually, I can see that and I like it. I'm just afraid that I'll be let down if he doesn't say, "these aren't the Avengers you're looking for" at some point or another.

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Here's a very out-of-left-field choice for Murdock..Ewan McGregor?
Would Ewan McGregor commit to a TV show though? He seems more like a film actor. Maybe it would be better to go with someone less known and less expensive.

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