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$200M 5 6.10%
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$400M 38 46.34%
$500M 14 17.07%
$600M 6 7.32%
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:25 PM   #976
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I wasn't even gonna consider buying this on blu ray (thought it was meh) until I heard about this cut, if it happens i'll be there.
It's real. We have a thread about it here, and it's been confirmed by Mangold numerous times via Twitter (that's posted on that thread as well).

All we're waiting on is confirmation that it's being released this fall, or if they're going to hold off and do a double-dip release closer to DOFP's release date. There's a pre-order up on Amazon, but they haven't officially announced a release date, or what the deal is with the version of the film.

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It's real. We have a thread about it here, and it's been confirmed by Mangold numerous times via Twitter (that's posted on that thread as well).

All we're waiting on is confirmation that it's being released this fall, or if they're going to hold off and do a double-dip release closer to DOFP's release date. There's a pre-order up on Amazon, but they haven't officially announced a release date, or what the deal is with the version of the film.
If they double-dip, that is evil.

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Old 08-19-2013, 11:17 PM   #978
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Where the Wolverine is going to make really good money imo is the home media release. If they really do have the "violent director's cut" is going to make it a far more intriguing early purchase.
Yeah, day 1 purchase for me. I take it they make more of a percentage on Blu rays/digitals?

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Old 08-20-2013, 12:44 AM   #979
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Man, Some people throw around bomb and flop way to easily.

If it recovers its budget domestically, in no way a flop.

If its a lock to triple its budget overall, its in no way a flop.

A movie needs roughly 2xs its budget WW to break even.

The Wolverine has a budget of under 120million, so 240 million would make it break even production wise. The rate to break even with production and marketing is roughly 2.5-1 or 300 million worldwide so, its already making profit.

Then add on to this the product placement sponsors of around 50million dollars Id say, The Dvd sales, rentals, Selling the tv rights etc and this movie is very profitable.

Did this movie underperform in America? Yes and No.

It did no underperform judging by its budget, $130m domestic on a 120 budget is a sufficienta amount to say it did ok.

It did underperform from Expectations but Expectations were to get the numbers of a movie with a $150million budget so its no big deal.

As far as the R- Rated Cut. Hell yeah I wanna see that.

Id probably buy the 3D version as well even though this movie was obviously not meant for 3D and had no effects, just depth.

But man, I hate spending over $30 on a movie.


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Old 08-20-2013, 12:50 AM   #980
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TW is not a flop in U.S. It already earned its budget back just with the domesic bo numbers. Which cannot be said to FC.
It hasn't earned its budget back in domestic numbers because that $120 million doesn't all go back to the studio.

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Old 08-20-2013, 12:57 AM   #981
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LOL you aren't the 1st person to reply in that post of mine.

Anyway, The Wolverine is currently
#16 in 2013 domestic grosses (it will surpass G.I Joe 2 next week and it could surpass Grown Ups 2)
#13 in 2013 worldwide grosses (it could surpass The Hangover Part III)
#12 in 2013 domestic summer grosses

These placements will go down once Thor 2, Catching Fire, Desolation of Smaug hit theaters.

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#16 doesn't sound all that prestigious to me.

The Hangover Part III was also horrible and it was the lowest grossing movie in that franchise as well. It BARELY broke $100 million in the US, nowhere close to what the first two film sdid.

I don't see why those numbers are that impressive. They are not milestone. If they were top 5 that would be better.

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#16 doesn't sound all that prestigious to me.

The Hangover Part III was also horrible and it was the lowest grossing movie in that franchise as well. It BARELY broke $100 million in the US, nowhere close to what the first two film sdid.

I don't see why those numbers are that impressive. They are not milestone. If they were top 5 that would be better.
LOL. I didn't post those placements like as if they are "good news".

I went to box-office mojo to check the placements of The Wolverine and i posted it here to share it to people.

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Yeah, day 1 purchase for me. I take it they make more of a percentage on Blu rays/digitals?
Yeah, great profit margins on home media. The best profit margins come from tv rights and such. Nearly pure profit.

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It hasn't earned its budget back in domestic numbers because that $120 million doesn't all go back to the studio.
Yes, it has.

Production Budget was 120 million. It's made 120 million. Regardless if it doesn't all go back to the studio. It still has made it's production budget back.

Haters gonna hate. It's not a blockbuster but it's a box office success.

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Yes, it has.

Production Budget was 120 million. It's made 120 million. Regardless if it doesn't all go back to the studio. It still has made it's production budget back.

Haters gonna hate. It's not a blockbuster but it's a box office success.
Is this real life?

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Old 08-20-2013, 04:14 AM   #987
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The Wolverine
Budget:120 million
Current Box office:335 million

When it's all said and done,The Wolverine is going to make around 375-400 million.

I don't understand how anyone can call it a flop.


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I don't think anyone is calling it a flop. I never used that word. I'm just saying that I'm skeptical they've broken even on the film yet.

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Yes, it has.

Production Budget was 120 million. It's made 120 million. Regardless if it doesn't all go back to the studio. It still has made it's production budget back.
So they don't get back the full 120, but they still got back the full 120? That's nonsensical.

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I don't see why those numbers are that impressive. They are not milestone. If they were top 5 that would be better.
For the the lower budget compared to other flicks they aint horrible. Lotta disappointment this year.

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#16 doesn't sound all that prestigious to me.

The Hangover Part III was also horrible and it was the lowest grossing movie in that franchise as well. It BARELY broke $100 million in the US, nowhere close to what the first two film sdid.

I don't see why those numbers are that impressive. They are not milestone. If they were top 5 that would be better.
A movies boxoffice success is determined by its Gross compared to budget.

Ok, Wolverine may end up around the 15-20th biggest films of the the year

But of the films that are ahead of it, how many of them have a budget under $120 million?

Whats more successful, a movie that cost 250 million to make and makes 450 world wide or one that costs 120 to make and make 375million worldwide.

For movies with below 120million budget it will easily be top 5 for the year if not 1 and thats without a chinese release.

If it gets into China itll break 400million without a sweat

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Yes, it has.

Production Budget was 120 million. It's made 120 million. Regardless if it doesn't all go back to the studio. It still has made it's production budget back.

Haters gonna hate. It's not a blockbuster but it's a box office success.
Agreed!

And none of us know how much money FOX got with the movie. The important thing is the movie's budget was 120 million and it earned 120 million in U.S. alone. Then there's the foreign gross which is higher than U.S. gross. Not bad at all.

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A movies boxoffice success is determined by its Gross compared to budget. Ok, Wolverine may end up around the 15-20th biggest films of the the year But of the films that are ahead of it, how many of them have a budget under $120 million? Whats more successful, a movie that cost 250 million to make and makes 450 world wide or one that costs 120 to make and make 375million worldwide. For movies with below 120million budget it will easily be top 5 for the year if not 1 and thats without a chinese release. If it gets into China itll break 400million without a sweat
Agreed and worldwide, the only films w/ a budget of 120m or less that got more money than The Wolverine are Despicable Me 2 and the Hangover Part III and The Wolverine will probably outgross Hangover III in less than a month.

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So they don't get back the full 120, but they still got back the full 120? That's nonsensical.


Production Budget was 120 Million. There's no debate here.

It's grossed 121 million in the states. There's no debate here.

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Production Budget was 120 Million. There's no debate here.

It's grossed 121 million in the states. There's no debate here.
All of the above is completely irrelevant to the actual debate at hand, which is if just by grossing 121 million domestically it means they make back their 120 million production budget. There's no debate here.

They don't get back all of that 121 million domestic gross, regardless of which % you go with. There's no debate here.

Therefore they don't make back their 120 million production budget just by grossing 121 million domestically. There's no debate here.

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Any News about releasing in China?

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All of the above is completely irrelevant to the actual debate at hand, which is if just by grossing 121 million domestically it means they make back their 120 million production budget. There's no debate here.

They don't get back all of that 121 million domestic gross, regardless of which % you go with. There's no debate here.

Therefore they don't make back their 120 million production budget just by grossing 121 million domestically. There's no debate here.
But, it does take roughly 50% of overall gross and since its nearly tripled its budget in income it's already profitable and is still in theaters. There is no debate here.

And it has already made money from product placement sponsorships

It will in the future make more money from selling its TV rights, Ppv buys, rentals, DVD and Bluray purchases, online downloads. There is no debate here.

This film is a success. There is no debate here

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But, it does take roughly 50% of overall gross and since its nearly tripled its budget in income it's already profitable and is still in theaters. There is no debate here.

And it has already made money from product placement sponsorships

It will in the future make more money from selling its TV rights, Ppv buys, rentals, DVD and Bluray purchases, online downloads. There is no debate here.

This film is a success. There is no debate here
Again, all of the above completely irrelevant to the actual debate at hand. There's no debate here.

I've never disputed that this film is a success. There's no debate here.

I've never disputed that this film has recouped its budget and probably turned a profit BEYOND its domestic gross. There's no debate here.

What I HAVE disputed is the notion that this film has made back its production budget BASED SOLELY on its current domestic gross, which it hasn't since the studio doesn't get back all of that amount. There's no debate here.

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Wow that's a lot of debating for things that apparently have "no debate here".

Back in the real world I'm glad this is doing well and with it yet to open in Japan where it "should" do really real, might even top FC with its WW in the end. Be even happier if it beats Origins but that might be a stretch too far we shall see.

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But, it does take roughly 50% of overall gross and since its nearly tripled its budget in income it's already profitable and is still in theaters. There is no debate here.

And it has already made money from product placement sponsorships

It will in the future make more money from selling its TV rights, Ppv buys, rentals, DVD and Bluray purchases, online downloads. There is no debate here.

This film is a success. There is no debate here
I beleive F4 and xmen actually are not actually allowed any product placement in their movies without Disney/Marvels say so.

That's also now becoming the trend when companies lease rights from others (even authors are starting to make such rules)

Spiderman however is a completely different story, Sony can do whatever they want.


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Of course FOX has control over product placement sponsorships when it comes to their X-Men/FF films.

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