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Old 04-06-2013, 10:39 PM   #51
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I'm in the same camp of being a traditionalist. If one or the other, no DH for me. If you play the game you should play both sides of it. Age or injury makes it difficult for you to play the field is part of the game. Plus its fun to see managers out coach one another by implementing their bench in the best way.

Sadly since offense is more coveted than defense, things will be changing the other way.

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Exactly. I guess that's a hardcore fans treat, but the double switch is one of my favorite parts of late inning baseball. As you said, it actually utilizes the entire bench and makes room for specialists. That's much more interesting than enabling Travis Hafner to have a career, where he's actually logged less on-field time than most relief pitchers.

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You all make valid points and all but what do you think the players union (the strongest union in America) is going to want more? Late game strategy or a way to extend players careers? If you look at it from their perspective, they probably wouldn't give a damn about tradition. The teams use it as a way to easy guys off the DL, so you know they use it to protect investments.

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I agree, after the boom of offense in what is known as the "Steroid Era," we've really seen the last few season be dominated by pitching, and I think from a business perspective, they would more likely add the DH overall to protect pitchers in the same way that the NFL has done more to protect QBs. Not to mention, an added hitter would mean a better chance at offense in the NL, since most pitchers are considered an "automatic out".

It made sense for pitchers to hit back in the day because Pitchers simply did more, but with relief pitchers now, you can already see how the game has worked to extend careers of starting pitchers, while giving the opportunity to others.

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I already know the league would rather keep aging superstars on the field longer than have more specialists coming off the bench in the late innings. I just wish that wasn't the case.

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I don't really think this is an owner's vs the players issue at all. I doubt there's any disagreement between the parties on this matter. It's that third party they worry about, their bosses, the consumers. And that's a dwindling audience. MLB is doing better about getting people into the ballparks, but the pie is shrinking. The DH would seem like a slam shut case, but don't piss off the purists.

They can't mask the dwindling baseball audience forever, they've already tapped into the big revenue stream with TV that's enabled the growth of payrolls across the league and the branding of ballparks. But are those deals going to be worth as much when the audience keeps disappearing? I'm just old enough to remember when most every kid could name every team's lineup. Now, a lot of that had to do with the baseball card speculation boom, but there was a time before Selig when kids talked about baseball between classes. There was a time when kids actually played baseball! Now the soccer fields reside the diamond graves.

We could take this all to the natural extremes, but where is the line drawn? The designated hitter is counter to the very spirit of baseball, which is that everyone is a two-way player. It's those little things that are the very difference between a major leaguer and a career minor leaguer. Where do you draw the line? Why don't we go back to a 154 game season, eliminate extra inning games by introducing ties, no more doubleheaders, no more day games in the blistering sun, how about two DHs? You could have an offense and a defense like in football. Those are extreme outcomes, but when does it make you turn away?

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The DH rule can fudge off and stay in the lame AL. No more rules. Keep it as is. #NLFan.

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I disagree. Watching pitchers hit is mind-numbingly boring. Much more entertaining watching a pitcher compete against a DH than watching one pitcher compete against another.

Letting pitchers hit is akin to making the opposing NHL goalie have to take a shot in the shootout, or making one of the 11 position players on the field in the NFL kick FG's and PAT's. Nothing wrong with specialists. This is no longer the days of Lou Groza and Babe Ruth. Baseball (or at least the NL) needs to move forward into the 21st century.

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But there is much more to that then just having a pitcher hit. Near the middle to the late innings does a manager pinch hit for a pitcher who has been dominating the game but there are runners in scoring position. This is quite the problem if the game is tied.

Plus I would say most batters who DH in the AL will be found a place on the field if their bat is that good. Usually at 1B or LF, you get lower defense value but its worth the trade off for the bat. The lower hitters will be ousted to the bench.

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But there is much more to that then just having a pitcher hit. Near the middle to the late innings does a manager pinch hit for a pitcher who has been dominating the game but there are runners in scoring position. This is quite the problem if the game is tied.

Plus I would say most batters who DH in the AL will be found a place on the field if their bat is that good. Usually at 1B or LF, you get lower defense value but its worth the trade off for the bat. The lower hitters will be ousted to the bench.
I think this pretty much sums up why pitchers hitting is completely unique and totally immune from comparisons to wholly unrelated sports like football and ice hockey.

I'd also say AL pitchers have a certain immunity in intentionally throwing at guys, backing them off the plate, since we know that pitchers are less likely to throw at guys when they themselves have to make plate appearances.

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I've never bought that logic. If I'm Jered Weaver and I start buzzing Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder with fastballs, I know damn well that Verlander is going to start doing that to Pujols, Trout, etc. While I may not actually get thrown at, my teammates will and I'll have to answer to them.

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Really sucks what happened to Grienke, although I gotta say, sticking his shoulder out like he did was not a smart thing to do.

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That brawl went back to the 30's and 40's, when fights were a daily thing on the field.

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Quentin must be quite the sensitive man if he thought that pitch was intentional. For someone that gets hit as much as he does you would think he'd be used to it.

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Pathetic. There is never a reason to charge the mound. Never. He should be suspended.

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Who is the worse run organization, Pirates or Marlins?

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Wow, I just saw this video and I kinda feel bad for the poor kid. But then again, he should've known better.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...5866--mlb.html

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Just this season? Definitely the Marlins.

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Its without a doubt the Marlins.

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Pirates.

Marlins seem to want to intentionally suck. The Pirates seem like they try not to but can't help it.

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I hate ESPN. The only thing I watch on that channel besides live sports is Around the Horn.

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I hate ESPN. The only thing I watch on that channel besides live sports is Around the Horn.
I've always watched ATH and PTI, but ever since I've been out of school and have nothing to do all day, I keep it on in the background. I normally watch other stuff like Mike & Mike and First Take, although after a while it does get tiresome when you hear people debate about the same issues during the day.

But regarding that picture, it just makes me wonder if baseball as a sport is no longer considered to be as important as it was in the past. I mean it's known as America's pastime, but I feel like the NFL has taken over that title in recent years and despite being in the offseason now, they still seem to cover it 24/7 year round. And the NBA is right behind it, while baseball doesn't really seem to get any attention until the late summer once the playoffs are approaching.

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