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Old 04-15-2013, 11:10 AM   #551
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I have to wonder why people are denying it's an agent Rogers suit when it's 95% visually matching the agent rogers comic suit. The only major difference is the helmet.
What some people are saying is that just because it is based on a suit that wasn't technically a "Captain America" suit in the comics that doesn't really mean anything for the movieverse. In the concept art he is still wearing the Cap mask and sporting the shield. The character would still be recognizable to people as Captain America.

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Again, I hope this is just one suit of a few he wears in the film, and i hope the reason this suit is in the film is story driven, and not just some random change.
While all of that is possible, it isn't likely IMO that the in-story reason will be because he's no longer Captain America.

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Old 04-15-2013, 11:16 AM   #552
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Even with all the Agent Rogers elements, he's still obviously recognizable as Captain America. It's not like the GA will see the trailer and be like "Whoa, is he not Cap anymore?! He's only got every part of his costume but the white stripes and red gloves!"

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Even with all the Agent Rogers elements, he's still obviously recognizable as Captain America. It's not like the GA will see the trailer and be like "Whoa, is he not Cap anymore?! He's only got every part of his costume but the white stripes and red gloves!"
Yep, if my 3 year old sees that picture, he will automatically say that is Captain America.

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A quick Anthony Mackie interview with Black Film on his Falcon role:
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Will you have more to do than Derek Luke did in the first Captain America?
I’m happy to say that I’m in a good deal of the movie and I play an integral part with Captain America taking down the Winter Soldier. It’s great. They started the shoot 2 1/2 weeks ago and once I finished doing press for ‘Pain & Gain,’ I go in and join them. I’ve been doing combat training and fitness training just to get prepared. It’s going to be something and I’m excited for it.

How much awareness did you have on The Falcon prior to taking on the role?
I had never heard of the Falcon. I knew nothing about him. Once they sent me the comic book and told me everything they wanted me to do, I read up some and looked up his story. I’m really excited. He’s a cool character and we need that. We that (black) superhero that looks like them.

How is the costume going to look like?

They just released pictures of the costume last week. It’s more of a military style tactical costume. He’s more along the lines of Captain America as far as being a superhero as opposed to a true superhero.

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So what's Mackie saying? Cap isn't a true superhero? Don't really like the "military style tactical costume" look of Falcon.

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Old 04-15-2013, 11:34 AM   #556
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So what's Mackie saying? Cap isn't a true superhero? Don't really like the "military style tactical costume" look of Falcon.
I don't understand that part of the quote either. Maybe he meant "super soldier" or "superhuman" with a functional uniform rather than like a colorful costumed superhero?

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I have to admit that I'm thrown off by the 'true superhero' quote. Especially since he's referring to the costumes. I think Cap's costumes are arguably the most superhero-like out of any of the other Avengers by far.

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You guys over think and over analyze everything. He's saying that Cap is, first and foremost, a soldier. Same with Falcon. He's not a Superman or Batman that just takes on the mantle of crime fighting.

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^^Basically.

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I have to admit that I'm thrown off by the 'true superhero' quote. Especially since he's referring to the costumes. I think Cap's costumes are arguably the most superhero-like out of any of the other Avengers by far.
Yeah, I think in the MCU Cap is "truest" superhero in regards to the character AND the costume.

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You guys over think and over analyze everything. He's saying that Cap is, first and foremost, a soldier. Same with Falcon. He's not a Superman or Batman that just takes on the mantle of crime fighting.
Well I wasn't over analyzing anything, I was just a little confused by the statement. Thanks for the clarification though.

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You guys over think and over analyze everything. He's saying that Cap is, first and foremost, a soldier. Same with Falcon. He's not a Superman or Batman that just takes on the mantle of crime fighting.
Could be. Or he just means he doesn't have true "superpowers," like Thor or Hulk or Iron Man. If so, that's just nitpicking....you don't have to be a mutant or gamma-radiated or an alien to have "superpowers."

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You guys over think and over analyze everything. He's saying that Cap is, first and foremost, a soldier. Same with Falcon. He's not a Superman or Batman that just takes on the mantle of crime fighting.
Sweeping generalizations aside, I don't think I was over thinking; my source of confusion was at his wording of "a superhero as opposed to a true superhero." Probably easier to understand when said aloud than reading the transcript.

What hasn't been brought up yet is that he said shooting started 2 1/2 weeks ago, a little bit earlier than the first reports said.

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Could be. Or he just means he doesn't have true "superpowers," like Thor or Hulk or Iron Man. If so, that's just nitpicking....you don't have to be a mutant or gamma-radiated or an alien to have "superpowers."
Well, in context he was responding to a question about the costume, so I think it has more to do with function over fashion in regards to his uniform.

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I have to wonder why people are denying it's an agent Rogers suit when it's 95% visually matching the agent rogers comic suit. The only major difference is the helmet. Again, I hope this is just one suit of a few he wears in the film, and i hope the reason this suit is in the film is story driven, and not just some random change.
There were also midsection stripes on the concept art. Those aren't there on the Agent Rogers costume.

The only denial I see are people denying that it's actually got elements from both the classic and SS costumes.

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You guys over think and over analyze everything. He's saying that Cap is, first and foremost, a soldier. Same with Falcon. He's not a Superman or Batman that just takes on the mantle of crime fighting.
I don't think it's over thinking anything to admit I'm confused on the context of one line that isn't elaborated on. I think it's a bit pot, kettle, black to call others out on it while at the same time ascribing your own definition on what is a vague term in a short answer.


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There were also midsection stripes on the concept art. Those aren't there on the Agent Rogers costume.

The only denial I see are people denying that it's actually got elements from both the classic and SS costumes.
It also seems to be built in a similar fashion to the Captain America: TFA costume. That along with the midsection flag motif still being there (in part) and the helmet with the large A does seem to suggest that the Agent Rogers costume has been folded into the Captain America costume. If it were just meant to be an Agent Rogers costume then I doubt it would have those elements imo (especially the helmet with the A for America and remnants of the flag motif).

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Check out this video of Cap and Thor me and my friend made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRaJTVYXARY

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there were also midsection stripes on the concept art. Those aren't there on the agent rogers costume.

The only denial i see are people denying that it's actually got elements from both the classic and ss costumes.
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All the characters underwent notable visual changes. Black Widow's costume was redone without being redesigned, but there are a ton of changes, which were not necessary, they chose to update her costume. The IM2 uniform was a dark (dark) blue, as both an ode to Black Widow's dark grey, as a practical matter of lighting, and in keeping with the blue worn by high level shield operatives like Maria Hill and... Steve Rogers.



Why exactly can't Captain America be a SHIELD Agent? And how is someone who works for SHIELD carrying out their orders, sharing orders and a mission with a clearly proclaimed SHIELD agent, not a SHIELD Agent? Why is the star and stripes on his chest not 'enough' symbolism of America? Who exactly is he symbolizing to as he's doing black ops work?

I understand where you're coming from: "If they remove any of the America, how can he call himself Captain America?" And that makes sense for someone who feels strongly about Cap's symbolism... but it doesn't actually make sense for the characters to feel that strongly about his symbolism. To Cap, the world has fallen "No one said what we lost" and unless his perspective changes through experience, he's not going to be up for representing that. Not if the movie makes any sense beyond "Amurcuh."
I am not saying he can't be a SHIELD agent. I am just saying, right now, it doesn't seem like he IS a SHIELD agent. If he is a shield agent in the movie, then the agent rogers uniform is fine, and I don't have a problem with it. But as far as I can tell, its about the super hero aspect of steve rogers, not his shield one. Captain America.

In a nutshell, all I am saying is this: If he ISN'T employed, or working, for shield, then he should be wearing his cap uniform. Him working for shield makes sense, but it just doesn't seem like he IS a SHIELD agent right now. He woke up in 2012, SHIELD found him, and gave him a place to stay, I wouldn't say that MAKES him a shield agent yet.

That's all, until we know he IS a shield agent, I think he should be wearing a Captain America costume, because the film is called "Captain America" Captain America the super hero. Unless of course they decide to actually make him a SHIELD agent. Which would suck in my opinion.

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But superheroes in the MCU aren't a community... it's 4-6 guys who have actual jobs. In Avengers, as far as getting paid by SHIELD and taking SHIELD missions, from SHIELD commanders, exclusively using SHIELD equipment, having clearance for some SHIELD info and not others, Steve is a SHIELD agent. Tony is something else, but being a genius billionaire playboy philanthropist doesn't make him any less a superhero. Same with Banner being... a country doctor. There's no conflict between their day job and the title given to them based on how they respond to alien invasions.

In comics, superhero is an occupation. In the MCU, as of yet, it's not.

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All I'm going to say is this. I have Cap in all his glory in the comics I read and have read in the past. I've seen him in a pretty cool WWII interpretation of his suit in TFA. I've seen him in an OK modern day interpretation of his suit in Avengers. I'd like for them to develop the suit from Avengers a little more to where it is perfect but apparently it may not be happening from what we have seen so far. What we do know is we are getting a mix with touches from his first two and the Captain Rogers suit. All in all I'm alright with that. It's not worth getting upset over as it's out of my hands. So far I've been happy with the MCU Cap. Is he a perfect representation of the Cap I know and love? No. But he's been done as well as can be expected by someone that doesn't now how Cap is supposed to look and sound like to me. That's impossible. So take my advice, roll with it. If you want the perfect Cap, read it and you'll satisfy yourself otherwise you'll drive yourself nuts.

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You guys over think and over analyze everything. He's saying that Cap is, first and foremost, a soldier. Same with Falcon. He's not a Superman or Batman that just takes on the mantle of crime fighting.
Exactly. He's just saying Cap (and Falcon, and BW and Hawkeye's) job isn't "to be a superhero." Their job is to complete SHIELD missions, and as a result they are called superheroes, but that's not what they put on their resume.

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There were also midsection stripes on the concept art. Those aren't there on the Agent Rogers costume.

The only denial I see are people denying that it's actually got elements from both the classic and SS costumes.
Again, as i and others have said, only the helmet comes from a classic suit. Those midsection stripes bare no resemblence to a classic suit. They appear to just be detail to fill in where the SS suit is just plain... Like the added stitching details on black widows suits and such.

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The stripes were a weird detail cause they were like different shades of blue.

Also this helmet had exposed ears unlike TFA and The Avengers.

Though early promotional art and concept designs for The Avengers costume had the exposed ears look going on.

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The stripes were a weird detail cause they were like different shades of blue.
I think they're supposed to be dark red personally (or just red but in shadow). Look at the red stripes at the side and compare them with those at the front. I think it's how the artist has chosen how to light it.

The only colour that seems to be missing from the stripes pattern is the white which seems to be substituted for blue. Though even if the colours are different it still resembles the flag motif that usually adorn any Cap costume.

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I think they're supposed to be dark red personally (or just red but in shadow). Look at the red stripes at the side and compare them with those at the front. I think it's how the artist has chosen how to light it.

The only colour that seems to be missing from the stripes pattern is the white which seems to be substituted for blue. Though even if the colours are different it still resembles the flag motif that usually adorn any Cap costume.
Ive looked at the image on multiple screens, all i see is blue and darker blue, no red. Compared to the red side stripes, they look dark blue like the rest of the darker blue details on the arms and pants.

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