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View Poll Results: How do you think Captain America: The Winter Soldier will do?
$1.5 billion 3 1.63%
$1 billion 8 4.35%
$900 million 11 5.98%
$800 million 20 10.87%
$700 million 45 24.46%
$600 million 53 28.80%
$500 million 38 20.65%
$400 million 4 2.17%
$300 million 2 1.09%
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Old 03-17-2014, 10:18 PM   #351
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I don't really think so, but I'm sure it will make a lot of money.

It will be huge. Listen Cap is gonna do great. My son likes cap. But when he saw that Godzilla trailer? He was like OMG. With the superhero movies they arent new anymore. For someone in my sons age group Godzilla is freaking something new.

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MoS actually made good money based on the fact that they made somewhere in the ballpark of $150mil in partnerships before it was released. Covered marketing and distribution, probably completely. Without that, it would have only been a small success, that would have made its real profit post theater release.

The real success of MoS is that the film made it to $650m even with the reviews. Shows an appetite for Superman.
The following is a list of movies that cost more than $220 million:

1. POTC: At The World's End
Cost: $300 milion
Box Office: $963 million

2. Tangled
Cost: $260 million
Box Office: $591 million

3. Spider-Man 3
Cost: $258 million
Box Office: $890 million

4. John Carter
Cost: $250 million
Box Office: $284 million

5. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Cost: $250 million
Box Office: $934 million

6. Avatar
Cost: N/A
Box Office: $2.78 billion

7. Dark Knight Rises
Cost: $250 million
Box Office: $1.08 billion

8. The Amazing Spider-Man
Cost: $232 million
Box Office $754 million

9. Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian
Cost: $225 million
Box Office: $419 million

10. POTC: Dead Man's Chest
Cost: $225 million
Box Office: $1.06 billion

11. Man of Steel
Cost: $225 million
Box Office: $668 million

12. Avengers
Cost: $220 million
Box Office: $1.51 billion

While MoS was not a financial flop, it also did not produce in-line with similarly budgeted blockbusters who scored huge with audiences (not even close). Luckily for WB, they had that $170 million in partnership money with advertisers to offset the high budget.

CA: TWS is an "Avengers 1.5" and I can see why they did it that way from a marketing perspective. It's really no different for BvS in that regard and theoretically it's also a tool to attempt to offset the poor reception of MoS from critics


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I never said Thor had legs. I was quite surprised by the lack of legs and overall intake it made, actually. Cap 2 could have substantial legs, however, with the phenomenal early reviews and the fact it has April pretty much all to itself.

I wasnt surprised by Thors legs at all. It ran into two huge movies. MOS had to contend with multiple movies released before and after that made over 150 million at the box office. There are only so many people who are going to spend so much money at so many theaters per week.

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It will outgross every comic book movie of the year worldwide no doubt. No doubt in my mind.

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The following is a list of movies that cost more than $220 million:

1. POTC: At The World's End
Cost: $300 milion
Box Office: $963 million

2. Tangled
Cost: $260 million
Box Office: $591 million

3. Spider-Man 3
Cost: $258 million
Box Office: $890 million

4. John Carter
Cost: $250 million
Box Office: $284 million

5. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Cost: $250 million
Box Office: $934 million

6. Avatar
Cost: N/A
Box Office: $2.78 billion

7. Dark Knight Rises
Cost: $250 million
Box Office: $1.08 billion

8. The Amazing Spider-Man
Cost: $232 million
Box Office $754 million

9. Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian
Cost: $225 million
Box Office: $419 million

10. The Lone Ranger
Cost: $215 million
Box Office: $260 million

11. POTC: Dead Man's Chest
Cost: $225 million
Box Office: $1.06 billion

12. Man of Steel
Cost: $225 million
Box Office: $668 million

13. Avengers
Cost: $220 million
Box Office: $1.51 billion



While MoS was not a financial flop, it also did not produce in-line with similarly budgeted blockbusters who scored huge with audiences (not even close). Luckily for WB, they had that $170 million in partnership money with advertisers to offset the high budget.

CA: TWS is an "Avengers 1.5" and I can see why they did it that way from a marketing perspective. It's really no different for BvS in that regard and theoretically it's also a tool to attempt to offset the poor reception of MoS from critics

Again baloney. You throw in a bunch of high priced films and say well look these high priced movies made more than MOS based on budget. Who in there right mind thinks Tangled or the third pirate film wasnt a success based on these numbers? The third pirates which made 963 million on a 300 million budget. Ok so was this a failure? It got another sequel lol. MOS oh well it make 668 million on a 225 million dollar budget and it was? The first movie of a franchise made more than 450 million its budget and its a semi-success? Come on.

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Again baloney. You throw in a bunch of high priced films and say well look these high priced movies made more than MOS based on budget. Who in there right mind thinks Tangled or the third pirate film wasnt a success based on these numbers? The third pirates which made 963 million on a 300 million budget. Ok so was this a failure? It got another sequel lol. MOS oh well it make 668 million on a 225 million dollar budget and it was? The first movie of a franchise made more than 450 million its budget and its a semi-success? Come on.
Who used the word failure?

You seem to have read some completely different argument. Certainly wasn't my post. Re-read my words carefully tough guy.

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Again baloney. You throw in a bunch of high priced films and say well look these high priced movies made more than MOS based on budget. Who in there right mind thinks Tangled or the third pirate film wasnt a success based on these numbers? The third pirates which made 963 million on a 300 million budget. Ok so was this a failure? It got another sequel lol. MOS oh well it make 668 million on a 225 million dollar budget and it was? The first movie of a franchise made more than 450 million its budget and its a semi-success? Come on.
Again, that makes them moderate successes. Pirates 2 made a billion, and if they were willing to spend 300 million, anything less than a billion and their expectations wouldn't have been met. Man of Steel probably made $100 million in its theatrical run. Not bad, not as much as WB expected however. They couldn't fall back on good reviews either.

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Who used the word failure?

You seem to have read some completely different argument. Certainly wasn't my post. Re-read my words carefully tough guy.

Im not a tough guy. I just find it funny how logic dictates your thought process. A movie that makes 450 million more than its budget is a big success. There is no movie guy who could argue that. Amazing spider man made 752 million on a 230 million budget worldwide but had worse domestic box office take than MOS. They didnt hesitate to greenlight Amazing for a second despite mixed reviews by fans. The have already greenlite movies 2 and 4 for the franchise. Wolverine is another one. 414 million world wide only 132 domestic on a 120 million dollar budget. They are still talking a sequel to it if Jackman wants it.

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It will be huge. Listen Cap is gonna do great. My son likes cap. But when he saw that Godzilla trailer? He was like OMG. With the superhero movies they arent new anymore. For someone in my sons age group Godzilla is freaking something new.
Never seen before? I thought Pacific Rim was pretty much a Godzilla movie with giant mechs battling huge monsters kind of movie, and it came out last year.

And I found out from this article that WB made $5.04B in 2013, and Disney made $4.73B. However, Disney only released 10 movies vs WB's 19, so on average a Disney movie made more. I'm not sure if they have revised the earnings for Disney based on Frozen's latest gross, though, or they stopped counting movies that made money after 2013 is over.

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Again, that makes them moderate successes. Pirates 2 made a billion, and if they were willing to spend 300 million, anything less than a billion and their expectations wouldn't have been met. Man of Steel probably made $100 million in its theatrical run. Not bad, not as much as WB expected however. They couldn't fall back on good reviews either.
Not true. Hobbit is a perfect example. Its revenues dropped for the second film no one even knows the budget on that one but my guess is at least 300 million. No one is saying Hobbit was just a moderate success. It made 944 million worldwide. Just because it didnt make a billion doesnt make it not a huge success!

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Never seen before? I thought Pacific Rim was pretty much a Godzilla movie with giant mechs battling huge monsters kind of movie, and it came out last year.

And I found out from this article that WB made $5.04B in 2013, and Disney made $4.73B. However, Disney only released 10 movies vs WB's 19, so on average a Disney movie made more. I'm not sure if they have revised the earnings for Disney based on Frozen's latest gross, though, or they stopped counting movies that made money after 2013 is over.
If you read my post I said WB released more movies. They have a greater breath of movies that they release. From very small movies to academy award movies to blockbusters. They are not soley concentrated on huge blockbusters unlike most of what disney does.

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Im not a tough guy. I just find it funny how logic dictates your thought process. A movie that makes 450 million more than its budget is a big success. There is no movie guy who could argue that. Amazing spider man made 752 million on a 230 million budget worldwide but had worse domestic box office take than MOS. They didnt hesitate to greenlight Amazing for a second despite mixed reviews by fans. The have already greenlite movies 2 and 4 for the franchise. Wolverine is another one. 414 million world wide only 132 domestic on a 120 million dollar budget. They are still talking a sequel to it if Jackman wants it.
That's because they were well received movies...

And Wolverine movies can be made on the cheap. The Wolverine probably made just as much money in its theatrical run as Man of Steel, at half the cost and effort.

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Never seen before? I thought Pacific Rim was pretty much a Godzilla movie with giant mechs battling huge monsters kind of movie, and it came out last year.

And I found out from this article that WB made $5.04B in 2013, and Disney made $4.73B. However, Disney only released 10 movies vs WB's 19, so on average a Disney movie made more. I'm not sure if they have revised the earnings for Disney based on Frozen's latest gross, though, or they stopped counting movies that made money after 2013 is over.
That means they also stopped counting what The Hobbit made.

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Not true. Hobbit is a perfect example. Its revenues dropped for the second film no one even knows the budget on that one but my guess is at least 300 million. No one is saying Hobbit was just a moderate success. It made 944 million worldwide. Just because it didnt make a billion doesnt make it not a huge success!
Hobbit 2 had the same budget as MOS and made almost a third more. Not to mention, for the fifth time, garnered good reviews.

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Never seen before? I thought Pacific Rim was pretty much a Godzilla movie with giant mechs battling huge monsters kind of movie, and it came out last year.

And I found out from this article that WB made $5.04B in 2013, and Disney made $4.73B. However, Disney only released 10 movies vs WB's 19, so on average a Disney movie made more. I'm not sure if they have revised the earnings for Disney based on Frozen's latest gross, though, or they stopped counting movies that made money after 2013 is over.
Pacific Rim does not have the impact with giant robots and no name actors that Godzilla will have. I am telling you and I will see you back here when it happens that Godzilla will beat any comic book movie this year worldwide. Only spidey has a chance to beat it. Everyone laughed at me on these boards when I told them Hunger games would beat IM3 domestic. I had the last laugh.

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Im not a tough guy. I just find it funny how logic dictates your thought process. A movie that makes 450 million more than its budget is a big success. There is no movie guy who could argue that. Amazing spider man made 752 million on a 230 million budget worldwide but had worse domestic box office take than MOS. They didnt hesitate to greenlight Amazing for a second despite mixed reviews by fans. The have already greenlite movies 2 and 4 for the franchise. Wolverine is another one. 414 million world wide only 132 domestic on a 120 million dollar budget. They are still talking a sequel to it if Jackman wants it.
You keep taking the conversation into tangents. All that sequel stuff doesn't matter to what I'm discussing. It was budgeted like a behemoth and did not perform in-line with the others that produced like "big successes", critically or financially. This is an undeniable fact.

MoS was a box office success. Considering they're turning the sequel into a mini-event for the Justice League tells you everything you need to know about the expectations vs. the final results though. It's a smart move (dangerously teetering on overcrowding), as was turning CA:TWS into an Avengers 1.5.

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Hobbit 2 had the same budget as MOS and made almost a third more. Not to mention, for the fifth time, garnered good reviews.
DoS actually has a smaller budget. All three films were budgeted together. $500-600mil, including the re-shoots. Basically, the two sequels are as close to pure profit as you can get.

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You keep taking the conversation into tangents. All that sequel stuff doesn't matter to what I'm discussing. It was budgeted like a behemoth and did not perform in-line with the others that produced like "big successes". This is an undeniable fact.

MoS was a box office success. Considering they're turning the sequel into a mini-event for the Justice League tells you everything you need to know about the expectations vs. the final results. It's a smart move though, as was turning CA:TWS into an Avengers 1.5.
Well said. And with this, can we all just shake hands and end this? It is starting to get way to far away from TWS talk.

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Hobbit 2 had the same budget as MOS and made almost a third more. Not to mention, for the fifth time, garnered good reviews.
I honestly find it hard to believe that the hobbit 2s budget was 225 million but regardless it made less than MOS domestic. Actually 40 million less. I think it was a huge success despite not making as much as the other ones. And the third pirates was the same way.

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You keep taking the conversation into tangents. All that sequel stuff doesn't matter to what I'm discussing. It was budgeted like a behemoth and did not perform in-line with the others that produced like "big successes", critically or financially. This is an undeniable fact.

MoS was a box office success. Considering they're turning the sequel into a mini-event for the Justice League tells you everything you need to know about the expectations vs. the final results though. It's a smart move (dangerously teetering on overcrowding), as was turning CA:TWS into an Avengers 1.5.
I agree in a way. But my point was that WB is about making the most of what it has. It isnt following the marvel example and thats fine. It doesnt make MOS not a financial success. All of these movies are going to have to keep one upping themselves. Cap is avengers 1.5 and thats fine by me. People say putting batman in a superman film is a gimmick but putting black widow, falcon/ shield, Nick Fury in a huge role(sammy jackson) and the helicarrier isnt a gimmick. Hell yea it is.


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Well said. And with this, can we all just shake hands and end this? It is starting to get way to far away from TWS talk.

Sorry I will end it. Have fun GO CAP!

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I agree in a way. But my point was that WB is about making the most of what it has. It isnt following the marvel example and thats fine. It doesnt make MOS not a financial success. All of these movies are going to have to keep one upping themselves. Cap is avengers 1.5 and thats fine by me. People say putting batman in a superman film is a gimmick but putting black widow, falcon/ shield, Nick Fury in a huge role(sammy jackson) and the helicarrier isnt a gimmick. Hell yea it is.
It isn't because Falcon, SHIELD and Nick Fury are generally his supporting characters in the comics. Particularly in TWS storyline. The only character that isn't a supporting character of his is BW. Without SHIELD or Falcon he'd have....no one.

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It isn't because Falcon, SHIELD and Nick Fury are generally his supporting characters in the comics. Particularly in TWS storyline. The only character that isn't a supporting character of his is BW. Without SHIELD or Falcon he'd have....no one.

As far as the general public is concerned they know Fury, and more so black widow from the avengers movie. If you dont think they put black widow in the movie as another box office draw then I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. If it was just cap fighting barron zemo or batroc on his own there would be no where near the buzz surrounding this. Period. Regardless I think its a great idea and dont blame them at all for doing it.

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I agree in a way. But my point was that WB is about making the most of what it has. It isnt following the marvel example and thats fine. It doesnt make MOS not a financial success. All of these movies are going to have to keep one upping themselves. Cap is avengers 1.5 and thats fine by me. People say putting batman in a superman film is a gimmick but putting black widow, falcon/ shield, Nick Fury in a huge role(sammy jackson) and the helicarrier isnt a gimmick. Hell yea it is.
When I think of a gimmick I think of something cheap and not having already pre-existed.

That's not really the case for what they did with CA:TWS. Steve Rogers became an Agent of Shield in the comics and so they're going right into that, while also offering a return to Captain America in the same film. Including a major SHIELD presence (along with Falcon) was a well thought out move considering the modest results in the box office for CA:TFA.

With MoS, had it been a massive financial success my personal opinion is they give him his own sequel and then move into the BvS stuff. Why make one movie when people would be willing to go see two? That's why the results didn't meet their expectations and so fast tracking to crossovers is a marketing tool.

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