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Old 10-30-2013, 01:38 AM   #926
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The 10% I spoke of was the three Blade films. Seems like Fury did his share in the Avengers, and War Machine did a bit of the heavy lifting in IM2 & 3, but I guess that's open to interpretation...
I knew exactly what you meant but Blade was over 10yrs ago and licensed out to another studio who did most of the heavy lifting. Comic Blade and movie Blade are different, vastly different in fact.Beside the obvious they have little in common. War Machine was a supporting character at best. If War machine was a player on the Miami Heat he's Udonis Haslem.

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What first got me into comics was Generation X, an X-Men offshoot team. I was in the comics store and I saw a team with two black people. It fracking Blew. My. Mind. There was no limit to the number of black people allowed to be awesome!? How could this be? I had to know more... and know more I did. From there, as I got older and more abstract in my thinking, it became much more natural for me to identify with the ideals behind Batman and Superman and others.
I loved Gernation X.

I don't like the fact that Marvel seems to love killing or bumping into limbo the normal well adjusted black heroes like Synch, Patriot, Bill Foster and Bedlam. Atleast Prodigy is back now in Young Avengers.

I used to read the Steel, Luke Cage War Machine comics back in the 90's as well not just because they featured black but because they were good comics. It feels like there are less solo black hero comics around today than there was back then.

Given the reaction to some comic fans about Mighty Avengers and Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-man it seems like racial prejudice has actually got worst in some sections of the comic book community.

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Old 10-30-2013, 01:14 PM   #928
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What I have always like about the Black Panther is that he is not just a great "black" character - he is a great character - period.

When Marvel finally gives us a Panther movie - and if it captures a fraction of what Kirby & Lee first gave us - it will be a fantastic film!

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Given the reaction to some comic fans about Mighty Avengers and Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-man it seems like racial prejudice has actually got worst in some sections of the comic book community.
There are too many Avengers books for me to keep up with, so I am not aware of the reactions to the Mighty Avengers. Are the reactions to the changes in USM over his race or the fact that someone other than Peter Parker is now Spider-Man?

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There are too many Avengers books for me to keep up with, so I am not aware of the reactions to the Mighty Avengers. Are the reactions to the changes in USM over his race or the fact that someone other than Peter Parker is now Spider-Man?
I think a bit of both in regards to USM.

As for Mighty Avengers its mainly some comic readers complaining about a mostly black avengers 'street' team.

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Don't forget we have had War Machine in the last two Iron Man movies - that's nothing to sneeze at either - have you shared those with your child?
Of course I have! The Iron Man films were his introduction into the comic book world. He loves those movies but his attention is on Tony Stark - the star. He wants a Black hero in the forefront and I can tell that he wants it for his own validation. Regardless of what I tell him and the number of Black heroes I name (Icon, Black Lightning, Rhodey, Black Panther, Static Shock, Luke Cage, Mr. Terrific, WHOEVER), I can sense that it's just not enough for him. He's looking to identify with the main hero on film, and as of yet, he hasn't seen it.

I can't let him watch Blade yet but oh god I'm dying to. That'll change his mind QUICK! LOL!

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I think seeing superheroes that are black are reasonably important to kids. All kids.

It may not offer a realistic goal for anyone to be a superhero but it does suggest blacks are worthy of being mythological idols just like whites and it also suggest society in general believes in black heroes along side white heroes.

That means alot when segments of society still imply blacks are inferior in various ways.
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I knew exactly what you meant but Blade was over 10yrs ago and licensed out to another studio who did most of the heavy lifting. Comic Blade and movie Blade are different, vastly different in fact.Beside the obvious they have little in common. War Machine was a supporting character at best. If War machine was a player on the Miami Heat he's Udonis Haslem.
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I started reading comics around 1980, give or take. Prior to that, my exposure to superheroes came from cartoons. As a young Black boy, I was thrilled to see Black Vulcan on the Super Friends! (But even then, I hated when they shortened the legs on his costume...ugh!!!) It just meant a lot to me that a character with my skin tone could be seen working alongside legends like Supes, Bats and WW as a peer.

As I began to get into comics, the first title I gravitated towards was The Avengers...probably because they were an assembly of heroes like I'd seen on Super Friends. I've always liked the concept of a superhero team. I keyed in on one character in particular, though...the Black Panther. THIS guy was cool! The all-black costume...the fighting skills...the acrobatics...and wait, he's Black??? He looks like me??? Not only that, but he's king of an entire nation??? To top it off, he had a hot girlfriend? I was sold...I wanted to be T'Challa when I grew up!

My point is, as a young African-American male, it was encouraging to me whenever I could look at tv/movie/literary heroes that shared my ethnicity. People of all racial backgrounds should be able to do so: Black, Latino, Asian, Native American, Pacific Islander, whatever. The world is a diverse place, and that should be reflected in fictional works.

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It's always an eye catcher to see someone of your own race as a superhero when you're a minority. It's not that we shy away from other heroes because I'm sure most in here have a ton of superheroes they like that are of different ethnicities. Hell I'm a huge Spider-man fan in The Cult of the Hyphen. But there is something about seeing a bad ass that looks like they could be you if you worked out a lot and got super powers. It's a nice escapist fantasy on a small level for me, but even then the character has to be good. I've only liked Luke Cage during Thunderbolts and a few other writers. With Black Panther I love the character even when he was written terribly by Hudlin. Characteristics definitely matter, but seeing a black badass superhero really adds that cherry on top.

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David Oyelowo? Just saw him in Jack Reacher. Good actor.

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David Oyelowo? Just saw him in Jack Reacher. Good actor.
I have him as Brother Voodoo in my Black Panther cast.

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I like the idea of Marvel having some series on Netflix. It gives them a chance to have more diversity in terms of the tone of tv series. With a network you have to walk a certain safe line, but on Netflix you can do more. If they actually decided to make a BP original mini series on Netflix I wouldn't mind. I'd rather they do a movie since it could have a bigger budget, but a mini series would have a lot of potential as well.

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I think BP should be on film first without a doubt. I think he's too big for television like Silver Surfer, Thor, or anyone else who lives in a world that goes beyond the realm of believability.

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I think BP should be on film first without a doubt. I think he's too big for television like Silver Surfer, Thor, or anyone else who lives in a world that goes beyond the realm of believability.
If what you mean is that Black Panther can't be well-executed on a TV budget, sure. BP really needs at least the budget of a good Bond movie, except with more SFX.

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He needs a movie period. Not the arrow treatment.

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Well, even Green Arrow doesn't need the Arrow treatment

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If Black Panther is made into a T.V show instead of a movie I will be so beyond pissed off lol

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Given a Game of Thrones like treatment, a BP tv show could do big sprawling multigenerational stories. Imagine a BP show that had flashbacks to different eras in Wakanda's history showcasing T'challa's forefathers/mothers? If they could pull that off AND have him appear in Avengers films, I'd call that a win, no?

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If what you mean is that Black Panther can't be well-executed on a TV budget, sure. BP really needs at least the budget of a good Bond movie, except with more SFX.
I mean tv should be for street level guys like Daredevil, Punisher, Moon Knight among others. BP is on par with any of the three main Avengers in Iron Man, Cap, and Thor. If they can get a movie so should he, he has that much potential as a franchise in my mind.

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What you mean by this? I think Arrow is great and I was reading an article calling it the greatest superhero show on tv.

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^Not everyone thinks ARROW is all it could, or should be friend.

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Given a Game of Thrones like treatment, a BP tv show could do big sprawling multigenerational stories. Imagine a BP show that had flashbacks to different eras in Wakanda's history showcasing T'challa's forefathers/mothers? If they could pull that off AND have him appear in Avengers films, I'd call that a win, no?
Movie first,then a conversation about mutigenerational t.v show

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ejiofor or bust. plus he has a whedon/marvel connection already


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I mean tv should be for street level guys like Daredevil, Punisher, Moon Knight among others. BP is on par with any of the three main Avengers in Iron Man, Cap, and Thor. If they can get a movie so should he, he has that much potential as a franchise in my mind.
And this would be why I specified that I was talking about *budget*. Because it seems you aren't; your talking about respect. Which implies you buy into the long obsolete mode of thinking that television is a lesser medium.

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