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Old 04-22-2013, 04:31 PM   #751
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I liked Incredible Hulk, does this make me a horrible person?
I liked it too so I would say no. Then again I also liked Iron Man 2, so judging from some posts my vote doesn't count.

I could be proven wrong but generally I'm more interested in seeing the tormented Banner in a solo movie than I am with the one in control.

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TIH's shortcomings have nothing to do with having to fit into The Avengers, the film suffered because of Norton's bland performance and large subplots being cut out.

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I'm not the biggest fan of TIH but I have no idea what you're talking about. Selvig referencing an event in Banner's life that wasn't specifically shown on-screen in TIH is TIH being retconned out? Whaa?
He was referencing the Incredible Hulk film. Why put it there at all if he wasn't referencing that film? But again, SHIELD never showed up in that film. Hence the reason why I personally call it a retcon. That's just me.

 
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That's total BS. You can enjoy a movie like Captain America for what it is, without going into the Avengers. Having said that Caps story in the comics was directly tied to Avengers, to not tell that part of the story is an injustice to the character. Same goes for Thor and Iron Man.

You can tell a Spider-man tale without going into Avengers, because he was never really apart of that, until the last 10 years.
You can't enjoy Iron Man 2 for all it's Avengers set up. Captain America is an easy fix for me. Just cut the damn epilogue and have that as the intro to Rogers at the beginning of the Avengers.

That final shot of the kids running in the street, pretending to be Cap and the Commandos, with the soaring score was the absolute perfect way to end that film and make a thematic point about Rogers and heroes. But because of the big team up, we get a weirdly cut epilogue that takes away from that beautiful ending.

Ugh, hate the damn epilogue.

 
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He was referencing the Incredible Hulk film. Why put it there at all if he wasn't referencing that film? But again, SHIELD never showed up in that film. Hence the reason why I personally call it a retcon. That's just me.
He was referencing the character. Why put it in? As a nod to fans, "hey guys, we're talking about Hulk here". Calling that a retcon is... a stretch, to say the least.

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He was referencing the Incredible Hulk film. Why put it there at all if he wasn't referencing that film? But again, SHIELD never showed up in that film. Hence the reason why I personally call it a retcon. That's just me.
Um there are about half a dozen or more SHIELD references in the opening sequence of TIH, as well as Stark Industries.

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You can't enjoy Iron Man 2 for all it's Avengers set up.
If anything, Iron Man 2 could've done with more Avengers set up. Black Widow has been a supporting cast member of Iron Man before, so she wasn't out of place. Same goes for Nick Fury. In fact, SHIELD and Iron Man go together just as much as SHIELD and Captain America.

The film focused too much on Tony Stark goofing around and being 'irresponsible'. That's what really choked the Whiplash and Justin Hammer subplot, which needed more development. There was a massive portion of the movie where nothing happens other than Stark making an ass of himself. If SHIELD was involved more, it would have at least given the movie some purpose.

Blaming The Avengers is nothing more than a scapegoat for those who just can't accept that IM2 is worse than IM simply because the writing wasn't good enough.

And besides, I don't think IM2 is that bad. Flawed, but not bad.

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Um there are about half a dozen or more SHIELD references in the opening sequence of TIH, as well as Stark Industries.
Was SHIELD actually chasing Banner the whole film? Answer...no.

Not even a little bit.

 
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You can't enjoy Iron Man 2 for all it's Avengers set up. Captain America is an easy fix for me. Just cut the damn epilogue and have that as the intro to Rogers at the beginning of the Avengers.

That final shot of the kids running in the street, pretending to be Cap and the Commandos, with the soaring score was the absolute perfect way to end that film and make a thematic point about Rogers and heroes. But because of the big team up, we get a weirdly cut epilogue that takes away from that beautiful ending.

Ugh, hate the damn epilogue.
Yeah you can enjoy IM2. I enjoyed it, and many other people did. If you didn't like it, that was you.

The ending of Cap, again is your opinion. To me it was perfect to who Steve Rogers is, he wakes up and realizes he missed the last 70 years, and his thoughts are of Peggy.

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Just seems from what I've read there is some kind of finality with Tony Stark's story here. Are they trying to put him in temporary retirement?

Is this a symbolic sendoff for RDJ?

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If anything, Iron Man 2 could've done with more Avengers set up. Black Widow has been a supporting cast member of Iron Man before, so she wasn't out of place. Same goes for Nick Fury. In fact, SHIELD and Iron Man go together just as much as SHIELD and Captain America.

The film focused too much on Tony Stark goofing around and being 'irresponsible'. That's what really choked the Whiplash and Justin Hammer subplot, which needed more development. There was a massive portion of the movie where nothing happens other than Stark making an ass of himself. If SHIELD was involved more, it would have at least given the movie some purpose.

Blaming The Avengers is nothing more than a scapegoat for those who just can't accept that IM2 is worse than IM simply because the writing wasn't good enough.

And besides, I don't think IM2 is that bad. Flawed, but not bad.
See, Stark making an ass of himself through out the middle portion of that film worked for me because it's clearly attributed to the idea that he can't deal with the fact that not only is he dying but he can't figure it out how to save himself like he figured out how to save himself in the cave in the first film. So, I bought that being an ass to everyone and everything in the middle section of that film was out of fear of dying. All he's doing in that film from minute one is setting up everything so that when he dies, everything and everyone will be taken care of.

It's the SHIELD crap that got in the way of the Vanko and Hammer plot. If Vanko knows that Tony's dying, why in the hell doesn't he tell Hammer and they simply attack Tony at his most vulnerable in the middle of that film? Because we have to talking about SHIELD and what comes next in the big team up.

 
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Yeah you can enjoy IM2. I enjoyed it, and many other people did. If you didn't like it, that was you.

The ending of Cap, again is your opinion. To me it was perfect to who Steve Rogers is, he wakes up and realizes he missed the last 70 years, and his thoughts are of Peggy.
He couldn't wake up and realize that he missed 70 years as his intro into the Avengers? Really?

All I'm saying is move the scene as the opening to the Avengers, not at the end of his film when it already had the perfect ending. Beautiful ending.

 
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Yeah you can enjoy IM2. I enjoyed it, and many other people did. If you didn't like it, that was you.

The ending of Cap, again is your opinion. To me it was perfect to who Steve Rogers is, he wakes up and realizes he missed the last 70 years, and his thoughts are of Peggy.
Not only did i like the ending to Cap, i thought it was very necessary to be honest. That is literally Steve Rogers story played out.It allowed Joss to just hit the ground running with AVengers.

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Was SHIELD actually chasing Banner the whole film? Answer...no.

Not even a little bit.
That's pretty weak. Again if you bothered watching the opening, the SHIELD issue was answered, and addressed again in Avengers.



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I can see both sides of the argument here. I like the ending but that's primarily from a fanboy-ish knowing what's coming next angle.

I'm not sure about putting it at the start of The Avengers, but it could easily have been at the start of TFA with some minor reworking.

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He couldn't wake up and realize that he missed 70 years as his intro into the Avengers? Really?

All I'm saying is move the scene as the opening to the Avengers, not at the end of his film when it already had the perfect ending. Beautiful ending.

They aren't going to end a movie with him dead (or presumed dead). You should have known that.

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That's pretty weak. Again if you bothered watching the opening, the SHIELD issue was answered, and addressed again in Avengers.



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He was referencing the Incredible Hulk film. Why put it there at all if he wasn't referencing that film? But again, SHIELD never showed up in that film. Hence the reason why I personally call it a retcon. That's just me.
What about the footage from the film that shows up in both Iron Man 2 and The Avengers, not to mention Tony himself showing up, and the short film giving the back story to Tony's appearance?

As for Selvig referencing a Gamma ray scientist who disappeared, keep in mind that had already happened as the backstory to The Incredible Hulk. He was already on the run having been the Hulk in the past.

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They aren't going to end a movie with him dead (or presumed dead). You should have known that.
Why the hell not? That's risky. Think about that for a moment. You just watched a tale about a kid who just wanted to do the right thing and make a difference and look what becomes of him. He becomes a legend. We end with him dead but a legend and always a good man.

A year later, we get the opening of the Avengers and realize he isn't dead. In this day and age of this genre, ending your film with the death of your hero is extremely ballsy.

I thought Marvel was all about that....

 
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All I will say is that the MCU having gone through 5 different directors, and varying script writers has a way more cohesive story line than the Star Wars saga.

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What about the footage from the film that shows up in both Iron Man 2 and The Avengers, not to mention Tony himself showing up, and the short film giving the back story to Tony's appearance?

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Why the hell not? That's risky. Think about that for a moment. You just watched a tale about a kid who just wanted to do the right thing and make a difference and look what becomes of him. He becomes a legend. We end with him dead but a legend and always a good man.

A year later, we get the opening of the Avengers and realize he isn't dead. In this day and age of this genre, ending your film with the death of your hero is extremely ballsy.

I thought Marvel was all about that....
The same reason Nolan didn't kill Batman, which made even less sense in the ending scenes.

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What about the footage from the film that shows up in both Iron Man 2 and The Avengers, not to mention Tony himself showing up, and the short film giving the back story to Tony's appearance?
The ending of Incredible Hulk with Stark showing up has no bearing on the events of what happens later in the MCU. Nothing.

Yeah, they figured their way out of it with the Marvel One Shot but that's not what they originally plan when they did that cameo. Your kidding yourself if you think otherwise on that particular scene.

 
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All I will say is that the MCU having gone through 5 different directors, and varying script writers has a way more cohesive story line than the Star Wars saga.
Complete and utter BS. Don't bring Star Wars into this conversation because you'll lose.

 
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The same reason Nolan didn't kill Batman, which made even less sense in the ending scenes.
Who's talking Nolan?

 
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