The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Captain America > Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-08-2013, 01:09 AM   #426
Spider-Fan
We Are Hunter Rider
SHH! Global Moderator
 
Spider-Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: In the neighborhood!
Posts: 39,003
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Sexton View Post
There's definitely sensationalism that you'd expect ..... but this day was coming. How could it not?
The day of recasting of a contract dispute?

Spider-Fan is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 12:08 PM   #427
Rock Sexton
Banned User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Somewhere in the Southwest
Posts: 9,139
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spider-Fan View Post
The day of recasting of a contract dispute?
Noooooo .....

Talking about renegotiations. After the success of The Avengers, how could it not?

Re-casts though are inevitable at some point. Do people really believe guys like Hemsworth and Evans are going to play these roles for the rest of their lives? Not a chance. It will go the way of Bond and Batman eventually.

Rock Sexton is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 12:12 PM   #428
RockSP
MYTH SMITH ∞!!!
 
RockSP's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,368
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkingbird View Post
But Ultimate Fury is designed around Jackson!
Not really. In his first appearance he didn't look like Jackson. It wasn't until Ultimates that the artist gave him the Sam Jackson treatment.

And even if he was designed around Jackson, someone else will eventually play the role...

__________________
It's not Marvel and DC's place to create our stories. We create our stories. --Dwayne McDuffie

http://myth-smith.com/
RockSP is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 12:16 PM   #429
Scarecrow_King
King of Swinging Moods
 
Scarecrow_King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The Point of Diminishing Returns
Posts: 4,977
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Yeah, I liked the Ultimate Fury that was in the earlier Ultimate X-Men comics better. Both design and characterization. They showed him as a legit super spy instead of just the head honcho.

__________________
Well, it's been a shattering disillusionment. Goodnight.
Scarecrow_King is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 12:25 PM   #430
ctsketch
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,813
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockSP View Post
Not really. In his first appearance he didn't look like Jackson. It wasn't until Ultimates that the artist gave him the Sam Jackson treatment.

And even if he was designed around Jackson, someone else will eventually play the role...
Which would be Ultimate Fury...you know the one that's in the ultimates

ctsketch is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 12:26 PM   #431
RockSP
MYTH SMITH ∞!!!
 
RockSP's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,368
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
Which would be Ultimate Fury...you know the one that's in the ultimates
My entire last post was about Ultimate Fury. He appeared in the Ultimate universe prior to Ultimates.

__________________
It's not Marvel and DC's place to create our stories. We create our stories. --Dwayne McDuffie

http://myth-smith.com/
RockSP is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:10 PM   #432
Chewy
REDACTED
 
Chewy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,016
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

SPOILERS

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Redford: “I like the idea of playing a villain… I did that just because it’s a different thing for me to do.”


http://www.herebegeeks.com/movies/po...inter-soldier/

Chewy is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:20 PM   #433
BullMcGiveny
Side-Kick
 
BullMcGiveny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,325
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

I thought so.

Also, it's a Cap, Widow and Falcon teamup. Nothing on Agent 13, though I suppose Mackie only mentions his own character and the two characters that people know from the Avengers.

Eh, one out of two is better than nothing.

BullMcGiveny is online now  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:23 PM   #434
ctsketch
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,813
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

the actors are spoiling so much, haha.

I want to see Crossbones dang it! He was filming again may 2nd!

ctsketch is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:24 PM   #435
JB-the-Hunter
Hunter of weaklings
 
JB-the-Hunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 3,732
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

I don't think anybody suspected that "Agent 13" would be in Cap's Mini-Avengers group, that really doesn't say anything about her role though. Also, I kinda thought the whole time that Redford would be a villain.

__________________
Natasha Romanoff - "Are you boys really that naive? S.H.I.E.L.D. monitors potential threats."

Bruce Banner - "Captain America is on threat watch?"

Natasha Romanoff - "We all are."
JB-the-Hunter is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:24 PM   #436
Webfoot Hero
Side-Kick
 
Webfoot Hero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 5,838
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chewy View Post
SPOILERS

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Redford: “I like the idea of playing a villain… I did that just because it’s a different thing for me to do.”


http://www.herebegeeks.com/movies/po...inter-soldier/
Had a feeling he would be and could easily be the one pulling WS's strings while giving him a head's up on SHIELD's activities.

Webfoot Hero is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:29 PM   #437
BullMcGiveny
Side-Kick
 
BullMcGiveny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,325
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by JB-the-Hunter View Post
I don't think anybody suspected that "Agent 13" would be in Cap's Mini-Avengers group, that really doesn't say anything about her role though. Also, I kinda thought the whole time that Redford would be a villain.
Well, I did.

She's frequently a fighting partner in the comics, and she's an agent of SHIELD. Why wouldn't she be part of Cap's group?

BullMcGiveny is online now  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:31 PM   #438
Mr. Dent
Banned User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 8,958
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
I remember someone here talking about Redford's character real name being revealed to Aleksander Lukin. Whoever came up with that theory was spot on I'm thinking.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
EDIT: I'm thinking Redford is the Red Skull (or being controlled by the Red Skull like Lukin in the comics) and has infiltrated SHIELD and been a sleeper agent there for years and is executing a plan involving the Winter Soldier. That's where the conspiracy comes in. Which leads to Nick Fury vs SHIELD scenario. If he's not the Red Skull then he's working for HYDRA in general.


Last edited by Spider-Fan; 05-08-2013 at 03:04 PM.
Mr. Dent is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:45 PM   #439
Chewy
REDACTED
 
Chewy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,016
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Spoiler tags, guys. Not everyone here will want to read this

Chewy is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 02:55 PM   #440
KangConquers
Purple Kang, Purple Kang
 
KangConquers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,818
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Looks like he might be playing Alexander Lukin.

__________________
MCU Rest of Decade prediction:

2015: Avengers: Age of Ultron, Ant-Man
2016: Captain America 3, Doctor Strange
2017: Thor 3, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Inhumans
2018: Avengers 3, Black Panther, Incredible Hulk 2
2019: Iron Man 4, Doctor Strange 2, Ms. Marvel
KangConquers is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:03 PM   #441
Spider-Fan
We Are Hunter Rider
SHH! Global Moderator
 
Spider-Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: In the neighborhood!
Posts: 39,003
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Sexton View Post
Noooooo .....

Talking about renegotiations. After the success of The Avengers, how could it not?

Re-casts though are inevitable at some point. Do people really believe guys like Hemsworth and Evans are going to play these roles for the rest of their lives? Not a chance. It will go the way of Bond and Batman eventually.
Of course they will recast them at some point. Stark will be recast at some point (likely after Avengers 3 since Marvel is negotiating his return as Stark for A2 and A3, but not IM4 at this time).

Spider-Fan is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:05 PM   #442
Spider-Fan
We Are Hunter Rider
SHH! Global Moderator
 
Spider-Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: In the neighborhood!
Posts: 39,003
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Dent View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
I remember someone here talking about Redford's character real name being revealed to Aleksander Lukin. Whoever came up with that theory was spot on I'm thinking.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
EDIT: I'm thinking Redford is the Red Skull (or being controlled by the Red Skull like Lukin in the comics) and has infiltrated SHIELD and been a sleeper agent there for years and is executing a plan involving the Winter Soldier. That's where the conspiracy comes in. Which leads to Nick Fury vs SHIELD scenario. If he's not the Red Skull then he's working for HYDRA in general.
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
My current theory also is Redford is the Red Skull in disguise. I think the Alexander name is definitely not an accident, and I think they're doing the Dell Rusk thing without being that obvious. Plus, they keep saying Cap 2 will reveal secrets about the MCU. Well, Red Skull has seen the universe. It makes too much sense to me.

Spider-Fan is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:24 PM   #443
DarthSkywalker
We Are Hunter Rider
 
DarthSkywalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 26,345
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

This is a very pleasant turn of events.

__________________
"You've failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
DarthSkywalker is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:27 PM   #444
Mr. Dent
Banned User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 8,958
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spider-Fan View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
My current theory also is Redford is the Red Skull in disguise. I think the Alexander name is definitely not an accident, and I think they're doing the Dell Rusk thing without being that obvious. Plus, they keep saying Cap 2 will reveal secrets about the MCU. Well, Red Skull has seen the universe. It makes too much sense to me.
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Not only that, but if Red Skull really is Pierce and has been influencing SHIELD from within since the beginning, that would tie SHIELD to HYDRA. That's a pretty big reveal about the MCU. I like Dell Rusk analogy too, that sounds pretty much like what it will be. This also solves the problem of Hugo Weaving not wanting to return.

Mr. Dent is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:31 PM   #445
DarthSkywalker
We Are Hunter Rider
 
DarthSkywalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 26,345
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Dent View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Not only that, but if Red Skull really is Pierce and has been influencing SHIELD from within since the beginning, that would tie SHIELD to HYDRA. That's a pretty big reveal about the MCU. I like Dell Rusk analogy too, that sounds pretty much like what it will be. This also solves the problem of Hugo Weaving not wanting to return.
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
It would also tie into Phase 2 in the Avengers.

__________________
"You've failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
DarthSkywalker is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:33 PM   #446
Spider-Fan
We Are Hunter Rider
SHH! Global Moderator
 
Spider-Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: In the neighborhood!
Posts: 39,003
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Dent View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Not only that, but if Red Skull really is Pierce and has been influencing SHIELD from within since the beginning, that would tie SHIELD to HYDRA. That's a pretty big reveal about the MCU. I like Dell Rusk analogy too, that sounds pretty much like what it will be. This also solves the problem of Hugo Weaving not wanting to return.
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Agreed that it fixes the Weaving problem. Schmidt wasn't frozen in ice, so he would have aged. Tying SHIELD to HYDRA would make so much since as well. I think Red Skull returning also would serve this film's theme. Look at who is included, Bucky, Zola, etc. This film seems to be very much about the ghost's of Captain America's past coming back to haunt him, and the years have changed everyone in various ways. The Red Skull would illustrate this theme better than Zemo or anyone else that could be selected for the film.

Spider-Fan is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:55 PM   #447
Hyde
Ooga-Chaka
 
Hyde's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: South West, UK
Posts: 3,482
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spider-Fan View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Agreed that it fixes the Weaving problem. Schmidt wasn't frozen in ice, so he would have aged. Tying SHIELD to HYDRA would make so much since as well. I think Red Skull returning also would serve this film's theme. Look at who is included, Bucky, Zola, etc. This film seems to be very much about the ghost's of Captain America's past coming back to haunt him, and the years have changed everyone in various ways. The Red Skull would illustrate this theme better than Zemo or anyone else that could be selected for the film.
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
I don't think he's the real Red Skull that we see in TFA, because if he was in his late 40's/early 50's in the 1940's then he'd be WAY over 100. I like the idea that he's Lukin being influenced by the Red Skull in space, who's probably found some way to delay his ageing.

__________________
Twitter: @Jasper_CH

I still believe in heroes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by terry78 View Post
"I tell ya, that Jennifer Lawrenshinch, I'd like to put my olive in her martini."
Hyde is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:59 PM   #448
ctsketch
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,813
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

One cast member did say that this movie would reveal a lot of secrets about the MCU (notice they didn't say Captain America). Does anyone remember which actor said that?

ctsketch is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 03:59 PM   #449
ctsketch
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,813
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by MovieMasterCBM View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
I don't think he's the real Red Skull that we see in TFA, because if he was in his late 40's/early 50's in the 1940's then he'd be WAY over 100. I like the idea that he's Lukin being influenced by the Red Skull in space, who's probably found some way to delay his ageing.
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Doesn't the SSS slow aging?

ctsketch is offline  
Old 05-08-2013, 04:02 PM   #450
Endeavor
Que bolá con el timbeque?
 
Endeavor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: FL
Posts: 6,203
Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Doesn't the SSS slow aging?
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Yes it does

__________________
"A shared universe, like any fictional construct, hinges on suspension of disbelief. When continuity is tossed away, it tatters the construct. Undermines it."
-- Peter David
Endeavor is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:02 AM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.