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Old 05-12-2013, 03:45 PM   #701
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Really? Clooney wasn't considered A-list at the time of B&R?
He only did 2 movies before B&R(From Dusk Till Dawn and One Fine Day). He was popular for starring in ER, but other than that, he just did TV roles. He was just getting into movies around the time B&R came out.

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Yeah, good point. I forgot that he didn't really get hugely popular until after O Brother Where Art Thou and Ocean's Eleven.
Despite it many failures... Batman & Robin did push him into the spotlight in a HUGE way and he thankfully was able to use that without being associated with the failure TOO much.

And thank God as well... because I think he's amazing.

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He only did 2 movies before B&R(From Dusk Till Dawn and One Fine Day). He was popular for starring in ER, but other than that, he just did TV roles. He was just getting into movies around the time B&R came out.
He also was the lead actor in The Peacemaker the same year that B&R was released. You also saw what he went on to do with his career.

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He also was the lead actor in The Peacemaker the same year that B&R was released. You also saw what he went on to do with his career.
That's not the point, cause I can say the same about Keaton and Bale, but at the time of his casting, he was still an up and coming movie star. I can definitely say he's an A-lister now, but not then. The only actor that could be close to being considered an "A-lister" would be Kilmer. He was already in movies like Top Gun, The Doors, Tombstone, etc.

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He also was the lead actor in The Peacemaker the same year that B&R was released. You also saw what he went on to do with his career.
That doesn't make him A-list in 1997... He had a few moderate hits and a few failures.

Clooney was not considered truly bankable/A-list until about 2000 onwards.

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That's not the point, cause I can say the same about Keaton and Bale, but at the time of his casting, he was still an up and coming movie star. I can definitely say he's an A-lister now, but not then. The only actor that could be close to being considered an "A-lister" would be Kilmer. He was already in movies like Top Gun, The Doors, Tombstone, etc.
And The Doors...

You wouldn't consider Keaton somewhat A-list when cast as Batman? I suppose he was up and coming (Beetlejuice) and it was Batman that solidified it.

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Despite it many failures... Batman & Robin did push him into the spotlight in a HUGE way and he thankfully was able to use that without being associated with the failure TOO much.

And thank God as well... because I think he's amazing.
He was already in the spotlight as an actor on Television (he was on the cast of ER) before he took on the role as Batman and had also earlier had bit parts in two feature films back in 1992 (The Harvest and Unbecoming Age) before staring in From Dusk Till Dawn and One Fine Day.

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And The Doors...
Wait, what? I did say The Doors.

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You wouldn't consider Keaton somewhat A-list when cast as Batman? I suppose he was up and coming (Beetlejuice) and it was Batman that solidified it.
I wouldn't consider him an A-lister, no. He was definitely on his way, and proving he was a great comedic actor(which he is), but Batman really showed he had much more range than just being a comedian. That's one of the reasons why there was such controversy. People thought they were getting Adam West all over again.

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He was already in the spotlight as an actor on Television (he was on the cast of ER) before he took on the role as Batman and had also earlier had bit parts in two feature films back in 1992 (The Harvest and Unbecoming Age) before staring in From Dusk Till Dawn and One Fine Day.
He was a popular TV actor on ER... that doesn't make him A-list. His transition from and use of that success is what would qualify his status.

- Early bit parts don't count.
- From Dusk Til Dawn was a moderate hit (good start)
- One Fine Day was (sadly) a bit of a failure at the box office. Michelle was the bankable actor in that movie.
- Batman & Robin was a sizable hit for him... but didn't do much for his credentials as an actor.

He was getting there... working his way up that hollywood list. But he was NOT A-list when cast as Batman.

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That doesn't make him A-list in 1997... He had a few moderate hits and a few failures.

Clooney was not considered truly bankable/A-list until about 2000 onwards.
There was no A-List (as far as the Ulmer Scale goes) until 1997. In 2000, James Ulmer published a book of A-list actors for that year and Clooney was mentioned to be ranked just above Nicolas Cage.

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Wait, what? I did say The Doors.

I wouldn't consider him an A-lister, no. He was definitely on his way, and proving he was a great comedic actor(which he is), but Batman really showed he had much more range than just being a comedian. That's one of the reasons why there was such controversy. People thought they were getting Adam West all over again.
Oops... sorry about that.

Then I would say Keaton was definitely B-list in the industry (public perception is always tricky)... all he needed was that little extra push into the mainstream. I guess Burton gave it to him.

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I was in the MOS boards and found this:


Such a beautiful shot. Snyder really knows how to bring a comic to life, even more than Whedon did in Avengers. If Snyder does end up directing JL, imagine if all the JL members get shots like this.

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I was in the MOS boards and found this:


Such a beautiful shot. Snyder really knows how to bring a comic to life, even more than Whedon did in Avengers. If Snyder does end up directing JL, imagine if all the JL members get shots like this.
Not everything has to be related to being better than Avengers.

But yeah, great shot that is.

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Not everything has to be related to being better than Avengers.
I feel like Justice League does though. I love the Avengers, but the Justice League is THE superhero team. There is no bigger team and no Marvel characters (other than Spider-Man) more iconic than at least the main members of the team.

The Justice League also operates on a far bigger scale than the Avengers. The alien invasion we saw in the movie is about the size of an alien invasion that Superman and Green Lantern deal with individually on a regular basis.

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Well I support the idea of the JL taking the fight to another planet.

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I don't think that works in the basis of the formation of the team. There needs to be a catastrophe on Earth beforehand, at best half of the film could. But I'd rather it not.

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If they want to save Darkseid for the sequels, I think the White Martians would be a good place to start for the first film. It would also serve as Martian Manhunter's origin story.

There is a lot to explore there. The Avengers, Man of Steel, and other films that will come out prior to JL all did or will do a great job of convincing the audiences that all aliens in superhero movies are evil (Superman doesn't count for many obvious reasons). Doing a movie with a stereotypical alien like Martian Manhunter being a good guy fighting alongside the JL against a group of aliens would be a great and unique idea IMO.

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That's not the point, cause I can say the same about Keaton and Bale, but at the time of his casting, he was still an up and coming movie star. I can definitely say he's an A-lister now, but not then. The only actor that could be close to being considered an "A-lister" would be Kilmer. He was already in movies like Top Gun, The Doors, Tombstone, etc.
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And The Doors...

You wouldn't consider Keaton somewhat A-list when cast as Batman? I suppose he was up and coming (Beetlejuice) and it was Batman that solidified it.
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Wait, what? I did say The Doors.

I wouldn't consider him an A-lister, no. He was definitely on his way, and proving he was a great comedic actor(which he is), but Batman really showed he had much more range than just being a comedian. That's one of the reasons why there was such controversy. People thought they were getting Adam West all over again.
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Oops... sorry about that.

Then I would say Keaton was definitely B-list in the industry (public perception is always tricky)... all he needed was that little extra push into the mainstream. I guess Burton gave it to him.
Keaton was in the critically acclaimed drama "Clean and Sober" the year prior to staring in "Batman" in 1989. That proved he had some acting range (beyond comedies). I woudn't say he was a B-List actor since he was in a lead role in successful films like "Beetlejuice" and "Mr. Mom". Anyway, it is not the point that these actors were or were not A-Listers when they played Batman, but rather it is that they either were or eventually became A-Listers, which would imply that they had that potential.

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I feel like Justice League does though. I love the Avengers, but the Justice League is THE superhero team. There is no bigger team and no Marvel characters (other than Spider-Man) more iconic than at least the main members of the team.

The Justice League also operates on a far bigger scale than the Avengers. The alien invasion we saw in the movie is about the size of an alien invasion that Superman and Green Lantern deal with individually on a regular basis.
If you mean biggest individuals then yes JL has some of the biggest of all in Superman & Batman & I like all the other members of the team. And maybe their events are larger in scale too. I love both teams about equally though overall. Avengers has a different appeal with a more unpredictable less heroic team with characters like Hulk & Thor & even not-quite-heroes like Iron Man.

I'm just saying it could be a great time to be a JL fan if things pan out and we don't need to "teach Marvel a lesson" to enjoy JL's hopeful success. If they both make big bucks they'll both keep getting made. If Avengers fails or had failed then WB studio execs will think twice about the JL budget. Live and let live I say, especially if these studios use their brains and release in different years. I want an X-Men, Avengers or JL film every year on a 3 year cycle for the rest of time if that's possible.

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I was in the MOS boards and found this:


Such a beautiful shot. Snyder really knows how to bring a comic to life, even more than Whedon did in Avengers. If Snyder does end up directing JL, imagine if all the JL members get shots like this.


^This guy approves.

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Who gives a s*** if JJ approves or not?

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I was in the MOS boards and found this:


Such a beautiful shot. Snyder really knows how to bring a comic to life, even more than Whedon did in Avengers. If Snyder does end up directing JL, imagine if all the JL members get shots like this.
Avengers had some great shots that looked like they were ripped from the pages.







But MoS looks like it does it better... lol. Not that I'm playing sides, since I love them both. And if Snyder directs JL, all of the members having cool shots like that is pretty much guaranteed.

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Man of Steel's shot looks more epic-in-scale though whereas those Avengers shots just look more cool and fun. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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Let Drew Goddard write the script, and let Snyder direct.

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I do hope that we get something similar to the circling shot of the Avengers from the climax of the movie (the one at the end of most of the trailers) for the Justice League. Even if they're standing in a line or floating/on the ground, a group shot like that would be excellent.

Also, it would be great if WB could get on a White Martian storyline before Marvel makes its way to Skrulls. The whole 'aliens replacing key humans around the world'/'aliens who can force themselves to look like us infiltrating key organizations' is a cool story no matter how many times it's done. It just need to be done right.

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