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Old 05-03-2013, 02:17 AM   #226
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See, I don't even mind the "troll". I felt like the mandarin twist wasn't necessary, it was just in there for the sake of the twist. But with that being said, I LIKED it. I liked the twist, and I thought it was cool. It's not that the mandarin is an actor. The Mandarin just doesn't have a beard, and his real name is Aldrich Killian. That's all. He's the mandarin, and when I see it that way, I get it, it's cool.

I just don't like the feel it had. It felt like an 80s action movie. They way it was presented, it just didn't do it for me
I wasn't talking specifically about the Mandarin twist, I mean the whole movie felt like a troll, or a parody. The marketing completely fooled us and what we got was totally different than what was portrayed in the trailers. And then the way the movie went along, the entire time it felt like a troll. No set up for the Mandarin or Iron Patriot, they're just there. No Hall of Armor shot. No Tony injecting himself with Extremis. etc etc etc. Even the end credit sequence felt like a troll lol. It was like a Saturday morning cartoon opening.

Those aren't criticisms by the way, I liked the movie.

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the mandarin twist was cool. I liked that, given the context. But the whole movie just felt out of place. It seemed to me like Shane Black just made it how he wanted. It didn't FEEL like a marvel studios movie, like the others, it felt like an 80s action movie to me.

Some people liked the feel. I didn't. that's fine, it's just my opinion.

But I understand the disappointment, and it has nothing to do with the mandarin.

But as you said, to each their own, and now off to the next movies
I thought Tony's arc from feeling out of place after the toll the last 3 movies have mentally and physically put on him, to realizing where he fits in the world was great, the action was great, the twist and double-single villain angle was great, the non-suited Tony on the run, working on the fly scenes were great, the entire final half hour at the docks was great, coulda done without Pepper ending the final blow but I kinda saw it coming, can't really think of much I disliked really. Thought it was very well done and a fantastic start to Phase 2 in my eyes. Lots to be built off from here, especially in Cap 2 and the Earth side of Thor2

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I wasn't talking specifically about the Mandarin twist, I mean the whole movie felt like a troll, or a parody. The marketing completely fooled us and what we got was totally different than what was portrayed in the trailers. And then the way the movie went along, the entire time it felt like a troll. No set up for the Mandarin or Iron Patriot, they're just there. No Hall of Armor shot. No Tony injecting himself with Extremis. etc etc etc. Even the end credit sequence felt like a troll lol. It was like a Saturday morning cartoon opening.

Those aren't criticisms by the way, I liked the movie.
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I thought Tony's arc from feeling out of place after the toll the last 3 movies have mentally and physically put on him, to realizing where he fits in the world was great, the action was great, the twist and double-single villain angle was great, the non-suited Tony on the run, working on the fly scenes were great, the entire final half hour at the docks was great, coulda done without Pepper ending the final blow but I kinda saw it coming, can't really think of much I disliked really. Thought it was very well done and a fantastic start to Phase 2 in my eyes. Lots to be built off from here, especially in Cap 2 and the Earth side of Thor2

Here's something to ponder guys, now hear me out here...I think I may have just figured something out big...maybe not, but it actually..

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It seems somewhat likely that Mandarin may return, if it turns out we get some sort of masters of evil for avengers 2, right? So, as we saw in the end credits, the whole movie was a recollection of events from stark. Not THE story, the recollection of the story, as remembered by Tony Stark... A relatively mentally unstable stark. Maybe this whole surreal, and buddy type feel the movie had is because we are seeing it as a memory of stark's? Now, we saw extremis can hijack the mind, which would lead me to assume that Killian sort of had control over the other soldiers. And Killian seemed to have wanted tony for something, to complete the extremis, he needed tony's mind, so maybe, that's what he was after.

Given the fact that Tony IS unstable, and the fact that the movie was the memory of an unstable person could suggest that the events may not have happened EXACTLY how stark remembers it? Meaning, maybe more things happened, or things happened to stark that he repressed, and would come to light..maybe Killian did something to stark. Because two things were clear in this movie, it was from stark's memory, and he's unstable. So maybe there is more/a difference as to what went on, and maybe, if the MoE are involved for avengers 2, this could be planting the seeds for that, or something. I know I am jumping around here, but essentially..

Something in my gut is just telling me that there is a reason this movie seems like a memory, and the fact that it made it clear that it IS a memory of an unstable person..maybe THAT'S the thing with this movie, andn it will make more sense later on!

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hold on a second. Why can't I have a different opinion? Why can't I voice it?

It's not like I HATED the movie. I just didn't enjoy it, didn't like to too much, and feel a bit let down.

I feel the movie's directing was the biggest flaw.

because I didn't like it, it means I am just flat out wrong? I have an opinion.

I said, I get the Mandarin thing. I have NO problem with the Mandarin twist. I liked it.

But overall, I didn't enjoy it. I felt that Shane Black gave it too much of an 80s action flick feel, and it didn't work in my opinion. And in my opinion, it was the worst of Marvel Studios movies. ONE movie has to be the worst.

because my opinion differs from yours, it doesn't mean I'm complaining, or am being unreasonable, it's just an opinion, and I am stating how I felt about it, that's it. Grow up.
You don't need to keep saying "my opinion this my opinion that" I get that. But it seems like some are just ready to lash out and go nuts. You think Shane "butchered" it. Come on really? Understand everyone is entitled to an opinion but isn't butchered a bit much? You make it sounds as if this is Batman & Robin. Like this movie is a disgrace to the IM franchise/MCU franchise. Butchered? Really?

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Here's something to ponder guys, now hear me out here...I think I may have just figured something out big...maybe not, but it actually..

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It seems somewhat likely that Mandarin may return, if it turns out we get some sort of masters of evil for avengers 2, right? So, as we saw in the end credits, the whole movie was a recollection of events from stark. Not THE story, the recollection of the story, as remembered by Tony Stark... A relatively mentally unstable stark. Maybe this whole surreal, and buddy type feel the movie had is because we are seeing it as a memory of stark's? Now, we saw extremis can hijack the mind, which would lead me to assume that Killian sort of had control over the other soldiers. And Killian seemed to have wanted tony for something, to complete the extremis, he needed tony's mind, so maybe, that's what he was after.

Given the fact that Tony IS unstable, and the fact that the movie was the memory of an unstable person could suggest that the events may not have happened EXACTLY how stark remembers it? Meaning, maybe more things happened, or things happened to stark that he repressed, and would come to light..maybe Killian did something to stark. Because two things were clear in this movie, it was from stark's memory, and he's unstable. So maybe there is more/a difference as to what went on, and maybe, if the MoE are involved for avengers 2, this could be planting the seeds for that, or something. I know I am jumping around here, but essentially..

Something in my gut is just telling me that there is a reason this movie seems like a memory, and the fact that it made it clear that it IS a memory of an unstable person..maybe THAT'S the thing with this movie, andn it will make more sense later on!
meh idk about that you might just be slightly overthinking it to help yourself want to like the movie more lol... but I do think this movie is going to make more 'sense' later on after we see more Phase 2 films. Probably a lot here that isn't going to be understood fully til at least Cap2

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You don't need to keep saying "my opinion this my opinion that" I get that. But it seems like some are just ready to lash out and go nuts. You think Shane "butchered" it. Come on really? Understand everyone is entitled to an opinion but isn't butchered a bit much? You make it sounds as if this is Batman & Robin. Like this movie is a disgrace to the IM franchise/MCU franchise. Butchered? Really?
An opinion is an opinion. And That's how I speak. I am not ready to lash out and go nuts, don't blow things out of proportion. I am not mad, maybe butchered was the wrong word.

I am disappointed. I think what shane black did in his directing hurt the movie, and it just didn't feel like it belonged in the MCU. Because he made it his own. So yeah, butchered was the wrong word, but I just feel like Shane Black made it stick out among the other marvel films, in a negative way.

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This film was always going to split audiences, they took the biggest character in a set franchise that is known for playing it safe and took some pretty big plot and tonal risks. The way i see it, if you truly understand (and more importantly agree) with what Shane Black did then it seems like it's one of the best Marvel movies to date for you, if you don't...obviously you aren't going to like it.

Unlike last years Avengers where very few people actively hated it, you either liked it a lot or liked it less, hence the playing safe part.

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Here's something to ponder guys, now hear me out here...I think I may have just figured something out big...maybe not, but it actually..

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It seems somewhat likely that Mandarin may return, if it turns out we get some sort of masters of evil for avengers 2, right? So, as we saw in the end credits, the whole movie was a recollection of events from stark. Not THE story, the recollection of the story, as remembered by Tony Stark... A relatively mentally unstable stark. Maybe this whole surreal, and buddy type feel the movie had is because we are seeing it as a memory of stark's? Now, we saw extremis can hijack the mind, which would lead me to assume that Killian sort of had control over the other soldiers. And Killian seemed to have wanted tony for something, to complete the extremis, he needed tony's mind, so maybe, that's what he was after.

Given the fact that Tony IS unstable, and the fact that the movie was the memory of an unstable person could suggest that the events may not have happened EXACTLY how stark remembers it? Meaning, maybe more things happened, or things happened to stark that he repressed, and would come to light..maybe Killian did something to stark. Because two things were clear in this movie, it was from stark's memory, and he's unstable. So maybe there is more/a difference as to what went on, and maybe, if the MoE are involved for avengers 2, this could be planting the seeds for that, or something. I know I am jumping around here, but essentially..

Something in my gut is just telling me that there is a reason this movie seems like a memory, and the fact that it made it clear that it IS a memory of an unstable person..maybe THAT'S the thing with this movie, andn it will make more sense later on!
I think you're right about the movie feeling a memory being told by Tony Stark. While I was watching I even thought to myself that if Tony Stark/RDJ made a movie about himself this is what it would feel like. That said, I don't know about them going to that level of mind****ery. It would confuse the hell out of normal people.

I DO think the Mandarin can return though. It's a symbol, a title. The point was that anyone can be the Mandarin. We might be able to get a more accurate version of the character that way one day.

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They did call him the master... several times.

And that felt so out of place. Like they couldve added it in after the fact.


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meh idk about that you might just be slightly overthinking it to help yourself want to like the movie more lol... but I do think this movie is going to make more 'sense' later on after we see more Phase 2 films. Probably a lot here that isn't going to be understood fully til at least Cap2
that's what I am thinking, regarding cap 2. That's what I am saying, i'm using sort of like a>b>c logic here

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but let's say they DO do a MoE related avengers movie. Who will be in it? Zemo? He's classic, and is probably a part of cap 2. If ultimately, he is going to be working in the masters, and if the mandarin comes back (as wardell states), maybe zemo and mandarin have worked together.That in turn would make me think, "oh, so there was more to ironman 3 than what we initially saw"...which in turn made me think "more than what we saw", "I am a psychology major".."Iron man 3 was from stark's memory...a stark with PTSD...so maybe he's not remembering clearly"

I have an odd way of thinking lol

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This film was always going to split audiences, they took the biggest character in a set franchise that is known for playing it safe and took some pretty big plot and tonal risks. The way i see it, if you truly understand (and more importantly agree) with what Shane Black did then it seems like it's one of the best Marvel movies to date for you, if you don't...obviously you aren't going to like it.

Unlike last years Avengers where very few people actively hated it, you either liked it a lot or liked it less, hence the playing safe part.
Yeah, this will be one of those few comic book films thats in half of the fans top 5 and the other half's bottom 5.

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I think you're right about the movie feeling a memory being told by Tony Stark. While I was watching I even thought to myself that if Tony Stark/RDJ made a movie about himself this is what it would feel like. That said, I don't know about them going to that level of mind****ery. It would confuse the hell out of normal people.

I DO think the Mandarin can return though. It's a symbol, a title. The point was that anyone can be the Mandarin. We might be able to get a more accurate version of the character that way one day.
exactly. They could do it like this, Killian was saying how it hijacks minds. He talks about evolution. Well what if the mind becomes like a network, a biological AI if you will??? And Killian could control those who took extremis, via thought. What if it evolved to the point where you could speak through them, and maybe, his mind lives on? Maybe he will be able to put his mind back in trevor, or in anyone, and they would be the mandarin? uhhh lol this movie has me thinking way too much. I'm tired, it's 3:44am lol

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I will likely admit that my love for shane black's formula in movies has skewed my opinion slightly, unlike plenty of people who walked in looking for an Iron Man film...I was actually looking for a Shane Black film Because on it's own an Iron Man film doesn't really interest me to go see it on day one.

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^ Irony lol. Cause the shane black ness of this movie is what hurt it in my opinion

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exactly. They could do it like this, Killian was saying how it hijacks minds. He talks about evolution. Well what if the mind becomes like a network, a biological AI if you will??? And Killian could control those who took extremis, via thought. What if it evolved to the point where you could speak through them, and maybe, his mind lives on? Maybe he will be able to put his mind back in trevor, or in anyone, and they would be the mandarin? uhhh lol this movie has me thinking way too much. I'm tired, it's 3:44am lol



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Feige did say you'd have to get in a couple viewings to fully understand all that was being done in the movie and some of it would be foreshadowing what they have in store for Phase 2.

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Are we using spoiler tags? I can't see it til sunday but want to read some spoiler free reactions. Am I safe here?

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..I'd maybe avoid, I know I got a little sloppy at some points in one of the forum boards lol. I'll go back and spoiler all my posts for others like you though.

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It seems somewhat likely that Mandarin may return, if it turns out we get some sort of masters of evil for avengers 2, right? So, as we saw in the end credits, the whole movie was a recollection of events from stark. Not THE story, the recollection of the story, as remembered by Tony Stark... A relatively mentally unstable stark. Maybe this whole surreal, and buddy type feel the movie had is because we are seeing it as a memory of stark's? Now, we saw extremis can hijack the mind, which would lead me to assume that Killian sort of had control over the other soldiers. And Killian seemed to have wanted tony for something, to complete the extremis, he needed tony's mind, so maybe, that's what he was after.

Given the fact that Tony IS unstable, and the fact that the movie was the memory of an unstable person could suggest that the events may not have happened EXACTLY how stark remembers it? Meaning, maybe more things happened, or things happened to stark that he repressed, and would come to light..maybe Killian did something to stark. Because two things were clear in this movie, it was from stark's memory, and he's unstable. So maybe there is more/a difference as to what went on, and maybe, if the MoE are involved for avengers 2, this could be planting the seeds for that, or something. I know I am jumping around here, but essentially..

Something in my gut is just telling me that there is a reason this movie seems like a memory, and the fact that it made it clear that it IS a memory of an unstable person..maybe THAT'S the thing with this movie, andn it will make more sense later on!
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I would add that it definitely seems like Killian realizes he needs Stark's mind to fix the extremis probs by the end.

But at one point he accuses Maya of trying to get Pepper and Stark out of the mansion alive. Killian asks her what she was doing there.

Although, I think Maya is the one who tells him it was because they can't kill Stark. She asks Killian "what if you go hot?" or something. But Killian doesn't answer. Could he have some way of returning that Maya doesn't know about? He seems a little unaffected by the possibility that he might blow up. Maybe he doesn't need Stark's mind but he wants it, as a trophy....

I don't mind that Killian is the real Mandarin but I'd like to think that the real Mandarin would at least return, or has a backup plan for in case he explodes.

President Ellis asks Coldblood why he doesn't just kill him... Coldblood says because the Mandarin "doesn't work that way".

President Ellis seems like he was too easy to find too.
Maybe the Mandarin works by creating many false names, and putting on an act through the whole movie.

He could have grabbed Pepper right at the beginning if that's what he wanted to do. Or could have killed Stark when he was held captive.

Instead maybe he does need to trap Stark and force him to help him fix something that only his mind can fix.

Stark has the algorithm/formula pretty much solved in 1999. Also it seems like Killian's think tank already exists in 1999, meaning somebody else could be contributing to his ideas, or desire to benefit off others ideas.
He wanders onto the scene and has already been following Maya's research.



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Oh jeez. Now if thats the case... if Killian enters Trevor's body, Kingsley has a multiple film contract, AND more "masters" are introduced in Thor 2 and Cap 2...

Well then I might have to rethink my opinion of this film.

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You might be onto something guys... I'd like to believe something like this is happening.

But alas, for now its bedtime.

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Old 05-03-2013, 03:04 AM   #249
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..I'd maybe avoid, I know I got a little sloppy at some points in one of the forum boards lol. I'll go back and spoiler all my posts for others like you though.
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Feige did say you'd have to get in a couple viewings to fully understand all that was being done in the movie and some of it would be foreshadowing what they have in store for Phase 2.
which is what i am trying to keep in mind. I think there is more to this movie than what ANYONE has figured out yet. I think there is more to mandarin, and more to what he is doing. I am going to leave a bold prediction here that will probably be wrong...but here it is...

whoever the mastermind behind The Winter Soldier is, is the current head of hydra, who funded Killians work, which allowed him to create AIM as a branch of hyrda (like it was in the comics)

there's my prediction. Probably waaayy off, but oh well

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