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Old 09-18-2013, 03:31 PM   #551
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Sounds like Elizabeth Olsen is perfect. I just hope Wanda keeps her probability manipulation powers and doesn't end up with something lame like telekinesis. That's Jean Grey's deal.

Also keep that Ultimates incest crap out of here. If that shows up in Avengers I'm out.

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I'm fairly certain that Disney isn't going to have ANY hint of incest in the movie. They may let Marvel do what it wants for the most part, but that would be a bridge too far. Also, they might give her the more general "magical" abilities that she has now.

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I'm now hearing that Saoirse Ronan passed on this role in order to try out for Star Wars 7. I don't see her as Wanda, but I think she would do well as Jaina Solo.

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I'm fairly certain that Disney isn't going to have ANY hint of incest in the movie. They may let Marvel do what it wants for the most part, but that would be a bridge too far. Also, they might give her the more general "magical" abilities that she has now.
I certainly hope so. That's just one of many reasons I hate the Ultimates. It's fine if they want to borrow some of the more modern visual elements but beyond that forget it.

Re: Wanda's "magical" abilities, I suppose we'll have to wait and see but probability manipulation is just such an interesting concept. I like the idea of randomness of the hexes and her powers behaving in unexpected ways. I think it would be cool to see her gaining mastery of her abilities and not be so powerful from the get go. In House of M she was basically omnipotent.

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That's part of the problem, though. Her powers need to be defined enough that they aren't just an arbitrary deus ex machina.

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Whedon said he sat down and strictly defined what her movie powers were gonna be

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That's part of the problem, though. Her powers need to be defined enough that they aren't just an arbitrary deus ex machina.
Yeah I agree with that. I just hope it's something fresh and not the usual spell casting or telekinesis yada yada.

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Whedon said he sat down and strictly defined what her movie powers were gonna be
Did he indicate what they are? Or is that under wraps?

My concern is I saw a casting call sheet earlier that said her abilities would be "telekinesis" and "spells" which I thought was lame.

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Then you should stop reading casting call sheets. problem solved.

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Then you should stop reading casting call sheets. problem solved.
Awww but where's the fun in that?

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Did he indicate what they are? Or is that under wraps?

My concern is I saw a casting call sheet earlier that said her abilities would be "telekinesis" and "spells" which I thought was lame.
No, just that he was very specific about it

But he did mention her weaving spells and having telekinesis when he went on Fallon. That might have been him dumbing it down a bit so he could quickly explain it, though

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Yeah, that casting sheet was just based on his description on Fallon; there's no official word other than that, plus Whedon's one cryptic statement that he has "set rules" for Wanda's power.

Mark Millar in The Ultimates, which Whedon is probably looking to for some inspiration (not the incest stuff, the stuff about how to portray them as young, aloof twins who don't get along with the Avengers at first) hinted that she might actually have to figure the probability of something in her mind before she figured out how much energy to use. I'm not sure if that would work in a movie though. Her original power was essentially that she didn't know what her hexes would do - so she would angst about whether she "dare" risk a hex at a particular moment - but it would usually work in her favor by bringing disaster on whoever she was aiming at. Eventually Steve Englehart had her study some magic to learn how to channel her hex powers into specific effects, but her role in the books was still to be the random, unpredictable one.

House of M is a complete outlier in her character history, loading her up with powers she never had before, because the plot required her to be both insane and omnipotent for no clear reason. This was later explained away as the result of her being hopped up on some kind of outside magical source, to explain why she couldn't just fix everything she did in that story, but because she was out of the comics for many years after House of M, it's kind of defined her for a lot of people who didn't read Avengers before the 2004 reboot.

Anyway, Whedon started reading the comics in the '70s when she was in almost every Avengers issue and her powers were kept within reasonable limits (most famously, she could hurt Ultron because he could not cope with her powers' random unpredictable nature). So I presume he's not going to go crazy with them. Another question is whether they'll tease the nature of her powers - the comics have always gone back and forth about whether they're science-based or magic-based, and hanging a question mark over that might be a way for them to set up the introduction of full-blown magic in a Dr. Strange movie.


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Wanda's powers are both mutant-based and mystical. In addition to her genetic mutation, she was blessed by Chthon at birth, giving her the power to wield spells. She casts hexes and spells. Her "hex power" is an attempt by a youth not really understanding herself to explain what she is doing. Her "hexes" are a form of telekinesis different from that of Jean Grey's. Wanda's telekinesis affects quantum units of energy which change probabilities favorable to her. Her spells come from the study of sorcery, and she is still a learner in that regard. Her ability to levitate appears to be a magic spell and was only acquired in the course of Volume 3 of Avengers. Wanda is also a Nexus Being, existing in all realities, and the ramification of that have never been fully explained.


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Wanda's powers are both mutant-based and mystical. In addition to her genetic mutation, she was blessed by Chthon at birth, giving her the power to wield spells. She casts hexes and spells. Her "hex power" is an attempt by a youth not really understanding herself to explain what she is doing. Her "hexes" are a form of telekinesis different from that of Jean Grey's. Wanda's telekinesis affects quantum units of energy which change probabilities favorable to her. Her spells come from the study of sorcery, and she is still a learner in that regard. Her ability to levitate appears to be a magic spell and was only acquired in the course of Volume 3 of Avengers. Wanda is also a Nexus Being, existing in all realities, and the ramification of that have never been fully explained.
Wanda's powers were originally described an energy field that alters probability at her direction, not telekinesis. If the telekinesis bit is a retcon, it's another stupid and unnecessary one.

Also, Wanda was not "blessed" by Chthon. That was a curse, in that the demon's aim was to attach its power to Wanda, with a view to possessing her at adulthood.

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The probability stuff was always rather confusing, even to a Wanda fan like myself. I think that Whedon will probably modify her powers somewhat. They'll be more "magical" but to what degree remains to be seen.

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Since they are planning a Doctor Strange Film, they could make Wanda his apprentice.

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Old 09-20-2013, 11:41 AM   #567
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It's not that confusing. It's just changing the likelihood of an event occurring. Or if you want to simplify it to her early appearances, she dishes out "bad luck".

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Whedon's admittedly brief description doesn't sound like "bad luck" powers to me.

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The probability stuff was always rather confusing, even to a Wanda fan like myself. I think that Whedon will probably modify her powers somewhat. They'll be more "magical" but to what degree remains to be seen.
It doesn't seem like a difficult concept to me. Say a person is standing on a section of roadway that has a 13% probability of collapsing at any given moment. Wanda unleashing her "hex" powers at the area in which the person and road are located increases the probability of collapse to 100%. Thus, the roadway crumbles and sends the person standing on it tumbling into an underground pit. The same principle can be applied to any possible scenario.


Wanda's power is very brilliant as Stan Lee first defined it. It is supremely useful, not as magic but as a manipulation of physical laws.

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Yeah, I quite liked the original hexes. There was really no need to complicate it with some pseudoscientific explanation imo.

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Yes, well, I hope he was just nervous or something when he mentioned "telekinesis" and "get inside your head". It would be lame if her powers were watered down to vague magical stuff for convenience.

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I never expected her powers to be hex related, I just assumed it would be "magical", like TK or spells. Which I prefer. I always felt Wanda was a walking plot device.

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If marvel are still looking for a younger wanda why not give felicity jones a call?



She's a very talented young actress, a star on the rise and she has the same sort of look as Taylor jones if they're still trying to get him too

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She would be a great plan B


But Olsen is my number 1 choice .... Im intrigued

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Who's Taylor Jones?

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I don't understand how they'll explain where how powers derive from.

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