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Old 05-06-2013, 06:41 AM   #101
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Threats of violence. Lol. You can't be serious if you think I meant that. It's a movie for crying out loud. I could care less about either one of them. Anyone who takes these post and movies that serious that they feel threaten by a general statement are the people who have more problems than those making the statements not really meant to anyone.

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Old 05-06-2013, 08:08 AM   #102
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haha, same here! In my case it's 1-3-2 for both franchises.
For me it's...

Nolanbat: 1, 3, 2

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Let's all imagine for 5 seconds that Nolan applied the "Mandarin Twist" to TDK.
Would it be as good? For fans or the GA

On that, I'd say IM3 falls short.

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Weirdly, Iron Man did more detective work in IM3 than batman did across 3 films.

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Weirdly, Iron Man did more detective work in IM3 than batman did across 3 films.
Its funny because its true.

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Let's all imagine for 5 seconds that Nolan applied the "Mandarin Twist" to TDK.
Would it be as good? For fans or the GA.
Don't you remember the whole Joker-wears-make-up affair ? It was a matter as serious as the Mandarin twist.

I think the GA doesn't really care as long as the movie is good, at least I don't ( I don't count myself as a Batman fan, I like the character but it ends here ).

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Don't you remember the whole Joker-wears-make-up affair ?
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Don't you remember the whole Joker-wears-make-up affair ? It was a matter as serious as the Mandarin twist.

I think the GA doesn't really care as long as the movie is good, at least I don't ( I don't count myself as a Batman fan, I like the character but it ends here ).
Not really, because in the end, the Joker is still the Joker.

The same cannot be said for the Mandarin.

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Don't you remember the whole Joker-wears-make-up affair ? It was a matter as serious as the Mandarin twist.

I think the GA doesn't really care as long as the movie is good, at least I don't ( I don't count myself as a Batman fan, I like the character but it ends here ).
If Jman was a front for some old associate that Bruce was a jerk too? Disarming the perceived main antagonistic force half way through the film and starting all over. In that particular case, TDK was sold on the villain...I suppose IM3 didn't do that.

I don't know how bleached skin vs make up really affects plotting and such things.

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Not really, because in the end, the Joker is still the Joker.

The same cannot be said for the Mandarin.
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If Jman was a front for some old associate that Bruce was a jerk too? Disarming the perceived main antagonistic force half way through the film and starting all over. In that particular case, TDK was sold on the villain...I suppose IM3 didn't do that.

I don't know how bleached skin vs make up really affects plotting and such things.
My point was that when all it said and done, it doesn't matter because it worked in the context of the movies ( make up Joker and Mandarin twist ).

Note : I have been told that in the Ultimate Universe, the Mandarin is like presented in IM3. Is that true ?

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I suppose you're right, it just seems like fans got "The Joker" in batman, and instead of Mandarin, they got something else and that something wasn't exactly a step up.

I know I would have been pretty upset if joker was given this treatment. So I can relate to some of the anguish.

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This poll proved two things :
- Batman, as usual, always wins with prep
- TDKR is overrated
And that Marvel Zombies cannot except that an MCU film is clearly inferior.

And I say that as a self-professed Marvel Zombie.

Though more the comics than the movies.

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If Jman was a front for some old associate that Bruce was a jerk too? Disarming the perceived main antagonistic force half way through the film and starting all over. In that particular case, TDK was sold on the villain...I suppose IM3 didn't do that.

I don't know how bleached skin vs make up really affects plotting and such things.
Fans so upset that Ledger was not permawhite convinced themselves for a while that Anthony Michael Hall was cast as the REAL Joker who Ledger worked for. I kid you not.

After the movie came out, nobody cared about the white.

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I think the old zipline rumor is a better comparison than the permawhite debate fo yore. For those who never heard, many thought that Joker would get his scar during the bank heist thanks to Batman cutting a zipline with a batarang.

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I think both these films had the potential to use their characters better.

The Mandirn didnt bother me any more then John Blake being Robin, Bane going down like a ***** and Talia being shoehorned in. Imo that twist came off way more forced then the one in IM3. Maybe it's cause I grew up reading Batman comics and not Iron Man, but Robin and Talia were a much bigger disappointment to me.

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BB: really liked IM: really liked
TDK: loved IM2: it was ok
TDKR: didn't like IM3: didn't like

So overall I give it to Batman though both of the third films really let the franchises down IMO.

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And that Marvel Zombies cannot except that an MCU film is clearly inferior.

And I say that as a self-professed Marvel Zombie.

Though more the comics than the movies.
I think you mistake me for a comic book fan. I don't care for DC or Marvel, I often more than not confuse the two.
What I care of is the pleasure I got when I go see a movie whether it's from DC or Marvel.
IM3 gave me more pleasure than Batman 3, Batman 2 gave me more pleasure than IM2.

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Don't you remember the whole Joker-wears-make-up affair ? It was a matter as serious as the Mandarin twist.
While it did cause a firestorm of controversy on this forum for about 6 months, as soon as the December 2007 trailer came out, there was pretty much a complete 180 on the board. Then the film itself came out and basically confirmed what a lot of us assumed from the trailer: Ledger had knocked it out of the park regardless of the permawhite nonsense.

With Mandarin though, the character's treatment in the film itself is causing the controversy instead of just photos released prior to the film. I loved the Mandarin twist and laughed my butt off when I saw it, but I've never read an Iron Man comic so I wouldn't know the first thing about trying to be offended by the twist in IM3.

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Weirdly, Iron Man did more detective work in IM3 than batman did across 3 films.
You're joking, right?

Batman was more of a detective in the Nolan trilogy than I've seen in any incarnation of the character. He did detective work in all three films, in the field and from his home base.

Have you people seen the same Nolan Batman trilogy that I saw?

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He didn't do as much detective work as we would have liked. In begins he did detect on scarecrow. In TDK fox did a lot of it with technology and in rises Alfred did most of it on bane. He wasn't the detective he was in the comics

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Or in the animated series, hell Val kilmers batman came off as smarter than bales.

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His detective work time in the film is enough within the film time limit and enough to serve the story of each film well.

My question first before voting on this film (as I liked both of them), are we judging each film based on its solo performance or as part of a trilogy?

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1. First films used nonlinear storytelling: In 2006, Batman Begins introduced us to billionaire Bruce Wayne by starting off with him already a prisoner in a foreign land, then flashing back to his past to show us how and why he got there, before moving forward again to his escape and ultimate return to the U.S. to assume (contested) control of his father’s company. In 2008, Iron Man used the same method of introducing billionaire Tony Stark, when we see him captured and hauled off as a prisoner in a foreign country before flashing back to give us his history leading up to his imprisonment. Then, the story moves forward and we see him escape and finally make his way back to the U.S. to assume (contested) control over his father’s company.
That first Iron Man film, with its attempts to portray a somewhat realistic world around the hero, as well as some other elements I’ll mention in a moment, were clearly influenced by Batman Begins, and it was a smart choice of influence — the Batman trilogy went on to blow the doors off the box office, and Iron Man’s own trilogy became easily the most popular and highest-grossing of the Marvel Studios films.

2. First films featured heroes creating their super alter-egos: Another similarity between Batman Begins and Iron Man is that much of the films’ story focused on the hero creating his masked identity. And I mean this literally, since we see them building their outfits piece by piece and even doing the paint jobs on the costumes at one point. Part of the process even involved learning from mistakes, since they each go out on test runs as their new secret selves and “crash” (Iron Man more literally, Batman jumping from a rooftop and crashing into a fire escape before realizing he needed a cape).
Each man begins building their new super-identity while in a far away land with a terrorist group, too — Tony is a captive, Bruce is there willingly, but each man ends up having an epiphany about their own nature and changing in a fundamental way as part of the creative process, with Bruce ending up like a prisoner when he’s told to follow orders or die. While Tony is constructing a metal suit, Bruce is constructing a body trained to peak performance. Then, each man goes through a second phase of reconstructing their new identity again, Tony building a more advanced suit while Bruce builds his actual Batman suit and gathers more equipment. Notice, too, that each man’s ultimate escape from the terrorist groups threatening them involves blowing up and burning down the terrorist camp.

3. First films featured the heroes’ mentors betraying them: In Batman Begins, Bruce trusts Henri Ducard to train him and comes to see the man as a friend and father figure, even though he still idolizes his real father. But in truth, Ducard has evil intentions that were disguised from Bruce (figuratively and literally, since Ducard was actually the leader of the terrorist group after all). When it’s clear Bruce stands in his way, Ducard tries to kill Bruce, coming into Bruce’s home, incapacitating him, and leaving him for dead. Of course, Bruce is rescued by a loyal friend and is able to recover and chase down Ducard to defeat him in the end.
In Iron Man, Tony trusts Obadiah Stane and sees him as sort of a father figure while still idolizing his real father. But Obadiah is actually evil and was behind the terrorist group that kidnapped Tony in the beginning. When Tony stands in his way, Obadiah tries to kill Tony, coming into Tony’s home, incapacitating him, and leaving him for dead. But Tony is rescued by a loyal friend and recovers to chase Obadiah and defeat him.

4. Second films featured chaotic villains who challenge the image of the hero and confront them during an interrogation: The similarities between The Dark Knight and Iron Man 2 revolve around the villains, characters who represented the theme of tragic downfall of the heroes’ position and the danger of escalation created by the very existence of the heroes. The Joker appears as an answer to Batman in Gotham City, after Jim Gordon worries that Batman is going to cause escalation in the methods and behaviors of criminals. Batman doubts this at first and doesn’t really worry about it, and seems convinced the Joker is merely like any other simple criminal. However, over time the Joker is able to hurt Batman and cause the public and government to distrust Batman. The Joker’s plans rely on chaos and disruption of expectations, even turning against his own allies in the mob who funded him. The Joker is captured during a brazen attempt to kill Batman (or Dent, whom he thinks is Batman out of uniform) amid a high-speed car chase and crash, leading to a confrontation between Batman and the Joker in an interrogation scene that has the Joker asserting his intention to shatter Batman’s reputation and claiming the world will turn against him. By the end of the film, the public and government have indeed lost faith in Batman and reject him.
In Iron Man 2, Ivan Vanko (aka Whiplash) appears as an answer to Iron Man, after the government worries that Iron Man’s armor and technology will cause escalation as other countries and terrorists/rogue groups attempt to develop their own matching technologies. Tony doesn’t worry about it, saying nobody else can match his Iron Man technology and that he can take down any such threats if they arise. However, Whiplash is able to hurt Iron Man and cause the public and government to distrust Tony because it’s obvious the escalation concern was correct after all. Whiplash wants to cause mass destruction with the same technology Iron Man uses, and he eventually turns against his eventual corrupt ally/funder (Justin Hammer). Whiplash is captured during a brazen attempt to kill Iron Man (who is out of uniform) amid a car race and crash. This leads to a confrontation between Tony and Whiplash in an interrogation scene where Whiplash asserts his intentions to destroy Tony’s reputation and make people stop believing in heroes (to “make God bleed” as he puts it). As it turns out, by the end of the film the public is angry at Tony and the government — specifically, S.H.I.E.L.D. — no longer trust Tony and he is rejected for membership in the Avengers Initiative.

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5. For the third films, the heroes have friends working in security whom the heroes visit at the hospital after a run-in with the villains: In The Dark Knight Rises, police commissioner Jim Gordon is mocked for seemingly being over-vigilant, but his constant search for threats leads him to follow bad guys and nearly get blown up, landing him in the hospital with severe injuries. Bruce goes to visit Gordon at the hospital, and comes away deciding the threat is real and trying to confront the villain head-on.
In Iron Man 3, Happy Hogan is head of security for Stark Industries, but he’s constantly made fun of for his over-vigilant stance. His overly-suspicious nature, however, puts him on the tail of some bad guys whom he follows, and he ends up nearly getting blown up. Severely injured, Happy is in the hospital when Bruce goes to visit him, and Bruce comes away deciding the threat is real and setting out to confront the villain head-on.


6. For the third films, the heroes begin emotionally troubled and isolated, their hopes for a normal life a shambles, and it makes them vulnerable to defeat: When The Dark Knight Rises begins, Bruce is suffering severe PTSD (even though they don’t call it that). He has been battered and injured, he lost the woman he loves, he is unable to deal with the mental and emotional damage he’s endured, and so he locks himself away in his home and waits for things to go wrong so he can don his Batman persona once again. When a villain does show up again, Bruce overestimates himself and underestimates the enemy. He isn’t fully prepared but tries to confront the threat anyway, and his mental and emotional instability leads to his quick defeat.
Iron Man 3 begins with Tony suffering PTSD, and at face value it appears it’s due to his near-death experience in The Avengers. But the truth is much more complicated — Tony says that confronting a threat capable of destroying the world and coming so close himself to dying despite his powers as Iron Man, he is obsessed with fear of anything hurting the woman he loves (Pepper Potts). He now realizes the stakes of the superhero games he plays, and he almost died without even being able to tell her goodbye. Now, Tony cannot sleep, he has panic attacks, and he doesn’t know what to do to overcome the feeling of fear and helplessness about the inevitability of the next threat, and the next, that might come along and take Pepper from him. So he builds more and more Iron Man suits, he implants technology into his body to let him suit up faster, from anywhere at a moment’s notice. He is turning his own body partially into the Iron Man machinery, in other words, a literal embodiment of his super-persona taking over his life (akin to the way the Batman persona consumed Bruce’s identity). When things do eventually go bad and a villain shows up again, Tony isn’t ready for it and overestimates himself while underestimating the villain, and he is quickly defeated.
The scarred and struggling hero aspect of both films is a major theme in their stories, and this similarity between the franchises is one of the most prominent as well as being one of the most important for both characters’ arcs. After the stories of the first two films, these final chapters seem inevitable, and to a large extent the fact of the similarities linking the franchises in the previous two entries makes it necessary for the third installments to explore the themes about the effect of events on the flawed protagonists. In this way, I think the similarities between The Dark Knight Rises and Iron Man 3 were to a large extent inevitable.


7. For the third films, the heroes are broken and cast “down a hole” without their super-personas or their other advantages, and must rebuild themselves to come back and win: The Dark Knight Rises very literally breaks Batman and just as literally drops him down a hole, with the villainous Bane snapping Bruce’s back over his knee and then sending him into an underground prison. Batman is believed dead by most of the public, is beaten and without his usual resources (even losing his faithful British butler), and most of all he has to go back to the basics, exercising in a prison and a League of Shadows lair while learning to find and overcome his fears again (mirroring scenes in the first half of Batman Begins). Bruce has to repair his shattered body and mind in order to rise up from defeat — revealing himself to be alive and stronger than ever.
Iron Man 3 just as literally breaks Iron Man, with Tony’s suits ruined and in need of major fixing. It also literally drops him from the sky into the middle of nowhere without any of his usual advantages (even losing his faithful British-accented “butler”), as he awakens bloodied and confused and falling from the sky into a snowy field in Tennessee. There, he has to go back to the basics as a mechanic in a garage (mirroring the scenes in the first half of Iron Man), repairing his broken armor and psyche in order to come back from defeat, to reveal himself as alive and better than ever after all.
Like the fifth item listed above, this is another of the most important similarities and most important thematic elements of both franchises. The emotionally troubled hero elements lead directly to the hero losing everything in order to find redemption again and achieve victory. It’s a classic mythical storytelling template, and both of these films represent the best portrayal of these themes in the superhero genre.


8. For several films in both series, the villains use decoys to disguise their identities: For this example of similarities between the Batman and Iron Man trilogies, we are comparing not only the third films from each series, but also the first films again. In Batman Begins, it turns out Henri Ducard was really Ra’s al Ghul after all, and he merely hid his identity by using a stand-in pretending to be Ra’s. The film took a smaller character from the comics (Ducard) and merged his identity with that of a major villain from the comics (Ra’s), as well as altering the name of the villain’s organization (from League of Assassins to League of Shadows) and changing the group’s entire premise and methods (from sort of eco-terrorism trying to save Earth from humans, to a vigilante group of ninjas out to bring down societal corruption). Even the relationship between the villain and the hero was completely changed (in the comics, Batman was trained by Ducard but not by Ra’s and the League). Compare this to the way Iron Man 3 takes a minor character from the comics (Adrian Killian) and merges his identity with a major comics villain (the Mandarin), as well as altering the villain’s premise and methods (the ten rings are a symbol in the film, but Mandarin’s rings don’t have actual powers, and the technology he uses isn’t — yet — revealed to include alien origins). Like Ra’s, Mandarin hid his idenity using a stand-in pretending to be the Mandarin. In both films, the “real” villain was a white character and the stand-ins were non-white, while in the comics both of the “real” villains were non-white.
While the first Batman film and third Iron Man film share this similarity regarding the literal use of decoy villains, notice too that the first Iron Man film and third Batman film share a different version of the “hidden villain” revelation. Just as Obadiah Stane turned out to be the secret villain directing the terrorist group in Iron Man, a betrayal that shocks Tony and changes the whole perception of the real motives behind the terrorist group’s targeting of Tony, in The Dark Knight Rises we see that Miranda Tate is revealed as the secret villain directing Bane and his terrorist group. Bruce is shocked by the revelation, and we see a new perspective regarding the true motives behind the attacks against Batman.


9. For each franchise, there is a very specific progression of the portrayal of villains through the lens of terrorism: In both franchises, the first films are about a larger terrorist organization, then the second films are about solo rogue terrorists, and the final films are about the return of a larger terrorist group linked to the first film’s story and with a motivation partially driven by animosity toward the hero for something he did that created the new threat unintentionally.
Remember that the “ten rings” actually did appear in the first Iron Man movie, although we didn’t know what it really was at that time. When it reappears again in Iron Man 3, we find out Tony’s treatment of Adrian Killian led the man to nearly commit suicide before experiencing a life-altering realization and setting out on new course of conquest and revenge. This mirrors the League of Shadows originally appearing in Batman Begins and then returning in The Dark Knight Rises as a means of Talia’s vengeance against Batman for the death of her father in the first film. Between those tales, however, comes the “rogue terrorist” who represents escalation and the revelation of the hero’s flaws, leading to the hero losing some favor among the public and power structure.
So the terrorist threat that originally births the hero and turns him into a symbol of hope is followed by a terrorist threat that questions the hero’s status and knocks him down a peg, until the original terrorist threat appears again to provide the chance for the hero’s redemption in overcoming his flaws and proving to everyone that he is deserves his heroic status after all.


10. For the third films, the heroes finally overcome their need for their costumed identities and hand it off to a new generation: The final major narrative element in the two franchises, and again among the most important for both, is when the heroes’ journeys reach the point where they don’t need their alter egos anymore and actively destroy that part of themselves while seeming to pass it on to a new generation. In The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce has been obsessed with a need to be Batman, and now that need is even more intense because it’s all he has left after losing his hope for a normal life with Rachel. Then, he faces defeat and has to find a reason to live again, discovering not just fear of death in a literal sense but fearing loss of hope that would destroy everything he fought for in life as part of honoring his parents’ deaths, which helps him find renewed hope for his own life. At last, Bruce sees the chance to move on to a normal life again, having finally achieved what he set out to do in Batman Begins — Batman is now truly a symbol of hope that won’t die, of sacrifice that can overcome impossible odds, and Gotham honors him and sees him as the true hero the city needs and deserves. But in leaving behind his persona as Batman (in an “explosive” way), Bruce arranges to allow John Blake — a young man much like Bruce himself — the opportunity to train and study, giving Blake equipment in the cave to pursue a super-destiny for himself.
In Iron Man 3, Tony is obsessed with being Iron Man and building Iron Man armor, because confronting death and a world-threatening menace has made him perpetually fearful of the danger to Pepper Potts. Tony already has a fear of death, but more importantly he has been overcome with a fear of failure, a fear that as the threats grow worse he might be unable to protect the people he loves most. He becomes unable to have a normal life, and then he faces defeat and must rediscover faith in himself and in his abilities to protect Pepper — and, ultimately, faith in Pepper’s ability to protect herself without a need for Tony to be a knight in shining armor. He knows now that he is willing and able to face death if need be, he has faced failing the woman he loves, and he has risen above it to achieve victory. His PTSD is not gone, but he realizes what it takes to feel safe and that his Iron Man persona was keeping him from fully committing to his relationship with Pepper. So he chooses to get rid of the Iron Man persona (in an “explosive” way) to further rid himself of what stood between him and a normal life, and what in part put his normal life at risk in the first place. But he arranges to allow Harley Keener — a young kid much like Tony himself — the opportunity to build and train, giving Harley equipment in the garage to pursue a super-destiny for himself, perhaps.
It’s a great way that both trilogies come full circle with the concept of why these heroes became who they are. Tony had to do it to survive, and so did Bruce in a less obvious but just as valid way. They both had to become their superhero selves to deal with life and do what is right, in other words. However, they also eventually needed to stop being their superhero selves and leave it behind, in order to deal with life and do what is right in the end.
So they both had to find “life beyond that awful cave” so to speak. Both men retreated to their caves (Tony even calls his basement a “cave” at one point, I believe) unable to deal with the traumas in their lives, and the women they love aren’t sure they can be with the hero anymore due to his obsession with his alter ego. But the heroes finally face their traumas and redeem themselves while learning that they must let go of their loss/fear of loss and find the strength to want to live life happily instead of letting their pain blind them to the chance for life/love in front of them. The heroes walks away with a “clean slate,” as it’s called in both films in a very pointed example of how similar are these films and their arcs. Notice how perfectly this outcome contrasts with the earlier breaking of the heroes — they are broken down and have to repair themselves as the heroes to come back, but in the end discover they don’t need the super-personas after all. It’s a great balance of contrast and mirroring of narrative elements within a story, to see the alter egos stripped away from them when they are beaten, then to see them build it back up only to reject it themselves in a final moment of true personal victory.

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