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Old 05-23-2013, 08:24 PM   #701
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Well that's telling. I'm not sure what it means exactly, but it's definitely saying something that he changed it. I'd say it's either

a) Marvel & Fox have decided to make certain fans very happy and bring their franchises together. Singer jumped the gun with his earlier Avengers comment.

b) Singer made the wrong people very angry earlier.

Sadly, it's probably choice b.
Considering the fansite flurry that accompanied that tweet the answer is definitively choice b.

Wow that deletion is extremely telling!

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He was a producer on First Class. I don't think there was any talk of him having script involvement on DOFP while Vaughn was still attached.
Singer has revealed multiple times that he was responsible for a good majority of the First Class script, so one would assume that has also been working on the DOFP script from conception up until now.

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Considering the fansite flurry that accompanied that tweet the answer is definitively choice b.

Wow that deletion is extremely telling!
I doubt the guy means fans on fansites when he says "wrong people"

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Old 05-23-2013, 08:33 PM   #704
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I doubt the guy means fans on fansites when he says "wrong people"
Neither did I. Im referring to the myriad of articles written by reporters that have sprung up in theast few hours calling shenanigans left and right. I doubt Fox wants to deal with that. Don't you remember how quickly they forced a meeting between Millar and Singer after Singer started trash talking him and the trades picked up on it? Same deal here. They are trying to stop the accusations from flying.

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I doubt the guy means fans on fansites when he says "wrong people"
You made a mistake ticking us off, Singer!

Yeah, I was talking about wrong people with suits, money, and a rather large connection to a beloved mouse with a falsetto.

As for the idea that Bryan Singer is largely responsible for the scripts of X-Men films he's not the screenwriter or director for, if that's actually true somebody should probably contact the Screenwriter's Guild. I seriously doubt the man did anything more than give advice and maybe work on a few sequences.

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Well he does have story by credit.

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Borys Kit ‏@Borys_Kit 1h Following up a bit on @DrewAtHitFix's take on Quicksilver: Heard that Fox can actually use the Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch names...


Marvel can use the the names Pietro and Wanda.


Also, to insert the character so late in the game (X-Men is already shooting) is Fox's way of asserting the character and a dig at Marvel.

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Here's how Whedon counters: he introduces Quicksilver on Agents of SHIELD six months before DoFP hits theaters.

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I think this whole thing is stupid at this point. One can use the real names, the other can use their codenames

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So they can't call the characters Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch at Marvel? Only Pietro and Wanda? Is that what I understood by that?

It would've made more sense if it were the other way round though.

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So they can't call the characters Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch at Marvel? Only Pietro and Wanda? Is that what I understood by that?

It would've made more sense if it were the other way round though.
Technically Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are their Mutant Names (that's a thing sometimes, as opposed to just being code names). In a weird sort of way it makes a little sense while simultaneously being incredibly stupid.

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The names aren't that big a deal IMO. It's not like they used code names in the MCU anyway. Plus Marvel getting to be the ones to use Pietro means a greater chance at more of an actual character rather than a device like what Fox will probably do with Quicksilver.

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So basically Marvel can't use the names Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, can't mention their parentage and can't mention they're mutants? Honestly maybe they shouldn't even bother. I feel like even if they do use them, Fox is going to cause a headache.

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So basically Marvel can't use the names Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, can't mention their parentage and can't mention they're mutants? Honestly maybe they shouldn't even bother. I feel like even if they do use them, Fox is going to cause a headache.
They should use them, but not over use them or use them in a way way a true version of their history couldn't be used later. Fox might not hold the rights forever, after all. (If they're "drawing a line in the sand" against Disney they will not like the ultimate outcome)

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So basically Marvel can't use the names Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, can't mention their parentage and can't mention they're mutants? Honestly maybe they shouldn't even bother. I feel like even if they do use them, Fox is going to cause a headache.
Characters usually have a lot more to them than codenames and parentage and even powers. I'd think their personalities are what interest Whedon

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So basically Marvel can't use the names Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, can't mention their parentage and can't mention they're mutants?
Whedon can easily resolve this by explaining that SHIELD has a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to the backgrounds of new Supes, lol.

In all seriousness Whedon will write them as excellent characters, far better than Fox could dream of. So Marvel should continue as planned.

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I'm guessing that one studio has the rights to a particular physical appearance and the other has to make it more generic. Who has what? If Marvel have to make them look like SHIELD agents yet again, will they be all that recognisable?

It would be better if one studio is entitled to one particular costume and the other to another costume. So maybe Fox could have green Quicksilver and the original Scarlet Witch costume, and Marvel can have blue Quicksilver and either the classic or gypsy Scarlet Witch costume. But who gets the white hair?

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In all seriousness Whedon will write them as excellent characters, far better than Fox could dream of. So Marvel should continue as planned.

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Wonder why Singer changed his original tweet?

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So basically Marvel can't use the names Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, can't mention their parentage and can't mention they're mutants? Honestly maybe they shouldn't even bother. I feel like even if they do use them, Fox is going to cause a headache.
So basically Marvel can use all the relevant things about the actual characters?

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Whedon can easily resolve this by explaining that SHIELD has a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to the backgrounds of new Supes, lol.

In all seriousness Whedon will write them as excellent characters, far better than Fox could dream of. So Marvel should continue as planned.
Nah, under Fury the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was done away with. There ain't no hatin' on those who are "Mutant and Proud" in today's SHIELD, no sir!

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Characters usually have a lot more to them than codenames and parentage and even powers.
I think this is the general problem with 99% of Fox's mutants and some other mutant expy shows (like Heroes). Writers see these characters as devices rather than... well, characters.

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Characters usually have a lot more to them than codenames and parentage and even powers. I'd think their personalities are what interest Whedon
I feel the same way.I think Whedon can bring them to life quite well without mentioning their father, the word mutant(Iron Man 3 already provided an out for this.) or their code names. WHAT I'm saying is if Fox is willing to make a fuss about code names, then I'm sure they'll make a fuss about anything. They might ***** that a costume looks too close to what appeared in X-men #4 or that certain displays of their powers can't be used(stupid, but I wouldn't put it past them.) My concern is that it will just become too much of a headache for Marvel to use them.

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Just call them Quickscarlet and Silver Witch

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Whedon can easily resolve this by explaining that SHIELD has a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to the backgrounds of new Supes, lol.

In all seriousness Whedon will write them as excellent characters, far better than Fox could dream of. So Marvel should continue as planned.
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