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Old 08-02-2013, 08:57 AM   #126
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He is a a test subject for The Vision Programme. inserting the human personality of long-time unaware and physically dead Coulson into a new robotic body (which has upper but un-'super' human limits) every time he 'dies'.

They then say "he mustn't know" (or something like that) because part of the test programme is to ensure the 'human' personality cannot tell it's in a robot body or that it 'died'.

However, Coulson foreshadows discovering his android state when he says to Stark "this isn't my first rodeo".

When Ultron goes mad he tells Coulson what humans did to him, but Coulson remains loyal to humanity and gets upgraded to help in the fight. Vision is born.

I hear it's called 'spitballing'

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Old 08-02-2013, 03:15 PM   #127
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My hope is that Coulson going forward is either human or has been the Dr Horton android all along. Have always found Phil a little dry and unemotional in human interactions . Would be unhappy if going forth he's a LMD . His hero worship of Steve Rogers makes me think he is the Torch. Also having original cards are something a emotionally young being who was around in the 40's would have. Kind of like the hero worship we have seen in Phil's interactions with Cap. I think Joss had a master plan all along.

I suppose we'll see this fall. There are a lot of ways all this can go. Hey guys , isn't this fun. Make mine Not Brand Ecch , Forbush man will save us.

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Old 08-20-2013, 10:24 PM   #128
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:44 PM   #129
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I'm still going with brought back to life my alien device with bad consequences.

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Old 08-21-2013, 02:29 PM   #130
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I'm still going with brought back to life my alien device with bad consequences.
I would vote for Fury selling his soul to Mephisto to bring Coulson back but apparently magic is off the table. The MCU's goats will go unsacrificed.

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Old 08-22-2013, 11:50 AM   #131
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Nah, it was clearly Evil Superboy pounding on the walls of reality. Things on Earth #616 got a little f***ed up.

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Old 08-25-2013, 09:16 AM   #132
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What would be cool on this show is not only references of the Marvel Universe, but DC's as well.
I can see Coulson comparing super powers of the different heroes to explain a new hero.
I can see both Sgt. Fury and the Howling commandos along side a Sgt. Rock image in other words too

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Old 09-19-2013, 11:23 PM   #133
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Ok, there is a clip showing Phil walking towards flames where they seem to extinguish . Seems rather Torch like to me. Also supposedly Ron Glass says something to the effect , he still doesn't know. Perhaps knowing he's not a real boy is counter productive ala Pinocchio . Anyways I guess Tuesday will tell. Hope this is a hit, would love an Agent Carter show. Agent Carter the Shield files sounds like a winner title.

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Old 09-20-2013, 07:21 AM   #134
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Ok, there is a clip showing Phil walking towards flames where they seem to extinguish . Seems rather Torch like to me. Also supposedly Ron Glass says something to the effect , he still doesn't know. Perhaps knowing he's not a real boy is counter productive ala Pinocchio . Anyways I guess Tuesday will tell. Hope this is a hit, would love an Agent Carter show. Agent Carter the Shield files sounds like a winner title.
To me, that scene, I *think* he's simply watching a holographic reconstruction (going in revserse) of an explosion that they're investigating (possibly an Extremis related explosion?)

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Old 09-20-2013, 10:51 AM   #135
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Coulson survived through the power of his own badassery.

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Old 09-23-2013, 01:47 PM   #136
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To me, that scene, I *think* he's simply watching a holographic reconstruction (going in revserse) of an explosion that they're investigating (possibly an Extremis related explosion?)
ooh...I forgot about Extremis. Man, I gotta get used to the whole movie/TV lore cross over now.

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Old 09-24-2013, 10:17 PM   #137
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My guess is, he is either a LMD, or he's a clone. Either way I think it's pretty clear that the Coulson we knew is dead.

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Old 09-25-2013, 12:00 AM   #138
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I am afraid you are correct. I personally prefer the "real" Coulsen surviving via super-psuedo-medical-hi-tech that occurs off-screen (as mentioned ad nauseum, there were some medics that arrived just after Coulsen's "dying" words to Fury).

I so much prefer the same guy be involved the whole way. The personality, the experiences, the direct involvement in events are what shape the character... so I prefer it to be "him" still. But I can't help but think that it will be a clone scenario ala the "6th day".

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Old 09-25-2013, 01:37 AM   #139
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Any guesses when the truth will be revealed?,I'm thinking mid season last or return episode but probably will be season finale

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Old 09-25-2013, 10:53 AM   #140
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He is a a test subject for The Vision Programme. inserting the human personality of long-time unaware and physically dead Coulson into a new robotic body (which has upper but un-'super' human limits) every time he 'dies'.

They then say "he mustn't know" (or something like that) because part of the test programme is to ensure the 'human' personality cannot tell it's in a robot body or that it 'died'.

However, Coulson foreshadows discovering his android state when he says to Stark "this isn't my first rodeo".

When Ultron goes mad he tells Coulson what humans did to him, but Coulson remains loyal to humanity and gets upgraded to help in the fight. Vision is born.

I hear it's called 'spitballing'
Pretty much what I'm thinking.

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Old 09-25-2013, 10:57 AM   #141
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I'm not sure If anyone has talked about this yet, but there was something regarding Coulson in the Pilot that I just found really weird... "It's a magical place..." watch every scene that Coulson refers to being in Tahiti. Could be something... Asgard maybe ?! just my 2 cents...

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I'm not sure If anyone has talked about this yet, but there was something regarding Coulson in the Pilot that I just found really weird... "It's a magical place..." watch every scene that Coulson refers to being in Tahiti. Could be something... Asgard maybe ?! just my 2 cents...
Now that would be great, but it's doubtful. More likely, poor Phil has been mentally programmed with a cover story that he repeats whenever his death and resurrection are mentioned. Like The Manchurian Candidate. Or Whedon was repeating himself.

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Coulson was easily the best part of the pilot. I loved that scene where he was like "DON'T EVER TELL ME THERE'S NO OTHER WAY!" He was epic in that moment.

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Old 09-25-2013, 11:26 AM   #144
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I don't think we will ever see the Avengers (or at least the current lineup) on the show. Whether or not they will know that Coulson is still alive remains to be seen.

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My guess is, he is either a LMD, or he's a clone. Either way I think it's pretty clear that the Coulson we knew is dead.
It seems pretty probable, but I wouldn't say for sure yet. It's possible they did something to Coulson to bring him back that Coulson would be horrified at, hence why they're keeping the secret from him.

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Maybe they sold his soul to Mephisto and that will set up the plot for the next Thor movie:

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Coulson was the best part of the episode. Clark did a great job.

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I don't see how realistically the Avengers would NOT know Coulson is alive, he's not exactly hiding in the shadows. When they confronted Peterson, he was right out in the open in front of probably hundreds of people. He's flying around in a hover car. How long will it be before Tony or Steve or even Hawkeye and Black Widow realize that Phil's running around with these other SHIELD agents stopping disturbances?

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I don't see how realistically the Avengers would NOT know Coulson is alive, he's not exactly hiding in the shadows. When they confronted Peterson, he was right out in the open in front of probably hundreds of people. He's flying around in a hover car. How long will it be before Tony or Steve or even Hawkeye and Black Widow realize that Phil's running around with these other SHIELD agents stopping disturbances?
That will have to be addressed somehow. I think he's an LMD, its really that simple and sad but I'm ok with that. I don't want him to be Vis.

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I don't see how realistically the Avengers would NOT know Coulson is alive, he's not exactly hiding in the shadows. When they confronted Peterson, he was right out in the open in front of probably hundreds of people. He's flying around in a hover car. How long will it be before Tony or Steve or even Hawkeye and Black Widow realize that Phil's running around with these other SHIELD agents stopping disturbances?
Absolutely. Sooner or later they are going to find out.

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