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Old 05-14-2013, 02:12 AM   #1
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...1#.UZHU4Uo0_-4

Didn't read article. Got no time. But seems like the Govt secretly and without permission got phone records from reporters and the like for 2 months.


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Old 05-15-2013, 08:25 PM   #2
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Didn't read article. Got no time. But seems like the Govt secretly and without permission got phone records from reporters and the like for 2 months.


Eh.
If subpoena's were written, then most likely a judge was involved. Sounds perfectly legal to me.

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If subpoena's were written, then most likely a judge was involved. Sounds perfectly legal to me.
Of all the "scandals" this is the one that bugs me the most, legal or not. It's a bad precedent having the government go behind people's back to try collect information.

Sad thing is their was a law that was fillibustered I believe in 2007 that would have prevented the Justice department from doing what they did.

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What astonishes me more than anything about this story is that there are still people who are astonished by stories like this. Civil liberties and personal privacy has been pretty much extinct for more than a decade.

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I like how Obama claims ignorance to every bad thing that goes on in HIS government.

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I like how Obama claims ignorance to every bad thing that goes on in HIS government.
why would someone claim responsibility for every bad thing that happened in THEIR government? and can you think of any time in the past where such a thing has happened?

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Of all the "scandals" this is the one that bugs me the most, legal or not. It's a bad precedent having the government go behind people's back to try collect information.

Sad thing is their was a law that was filibustered I believe in 2007 that would have prevented the Justice department from doing what they did.
The Shield law sponsored by then Senator Obama? Yeah, I guess that means what the Justice Departmen did was legal.

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I like how Obama claims ignorance to every bad thing that goes on in HIS government.
Well I would certainly hope that the president was not being briefed daily on the ongoing investigations. That would give an air of obstruction (shades of Nixon).

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The Shield law sponsored by then Senator Obama? Yeah, I guess that means what the Justice Departmen did was legal.
Anybody who voted against the Shield law has absolutely no right to ***** about what happened. I am looking at you Darrel Issa and any of the 42 Republicans in the Senate who voted no on the Bill

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Well, now James Rosen from Fox News is under the heavy hand of the DOJ like the AP.

They have been tracking his comings and goings into the State Department which is where he is the State Department Correspondent for Fox. They have also gotten his texts, as well as emails, without his knowledge.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...134204299.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...b44_story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3305857.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...mes_rosen.html

They say that he was, I love this, he got leaked information by.... "The Reporter did so by employing flattery and playing to Mr. Kim’s vanity and ego.”

This is just wow...I am just amazed.

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*crickets chirping* lol

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Old 05-21-2013, 08:56 PM   #13
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*crickets chirping* lol

I imagine Mr. Libertarian, Andy 'Cats' Levy from Red Eye would say...only Bill Schulz should be targeted by the IRS. You know what you did, Bill.


*more crickets*

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*crickets chirping* lol
I said all along this is the worse of the 3 scandals in terms of both what was done and the White House involvement but I think the Republicans feel that the IRS is an easier boogieman to push then trying to defend journalists.

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The DOJ also seized records from CBS News.

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Holy crap....they have gone crazy. I've never thought that this administration was moving towards Socialism/Communism, only moving towards a quasi European Socialism as far as the economy, and that actually started in the Bush Admin. with all of the bail outs, but damn.....I don't think this is a far cry from a Communist State move on the media. They better sure as hell have a good reason for all of this, which I don't believe they do. This is nuts....

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OMG, this is getting "weirder", "funnier" yet "more disturbing"

The FBI Affidavit to the DOJ...

James Rosen is a flight risk, he may change his appearance...

This is the most bizarre thing I have seen in awhile... http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...arrant-of-foxs

Point by point, what they say he did, is what reporters do to get a story. So bizarre.

lmao, are they serious?

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Because of the type of info that was leaked and the damage it caused, I might be on the side of the DOJ if they hadn't overplayed their hand. Even if it's legal, I think they screwed it up with the way they handled it. There should've been somebody in the chain of command with the guts to speak up and ask, "what's going to be the political and legal fallout from this?" Because since apparently nobody did, the fallout seems pretty huge right now.

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Because of the type of info that was leaked and the damage it caused, I might be on the side of the DOJ if they hadn't overplayed their hand. Even if it's legal, I think they screwed it up with the way they handled it. There should've been somebody in the chain of command with the guts to speak up and ask, "what's going to be the political and legal fallout from this?" Because since apparently nobody did, the fallout seems pretty huge right now.
Then you take care of those who leaked the information, not the reporters.

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Except in this case, they apparently were unable to find out who leaked.

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OMG, this is getting "weirder", "funnier" yet "more disturbing"

The FBI Affidavit to the DOJ...

James Rosen is a flight risk, he may change his appearance...

This is the most bizarre thing I have seen in awhile... http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...arrant-of-foxs

Point by point, what they say he did, is what reporters do to get a story. So bizarre.

lmao, are they serious?
If you read the search warrant issued by the FBI (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ist-gmail.html) it seems like however he got it, James Rosen was in possession of classified information that dealt with national security issues. I am sorry, but national security trumps freedom of the press in this matter.

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Well, I'm not surprised you are going to try and justify this dnno1, that's ok....

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If you read the search warrant issued by the FBI (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ist-gmail.html) it seems like however he got it, James Rosen was in possession of classified information that dealt with national security issues. I am sorry, but national security trumps freedom of the press in this matter.
That would be a no. Whistle blowers need somewhere to go. Press should be that place.

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That would be a no. Whistle blowers need somewhere to go. Press should be that place.
This wasn't a whistle blower issue. The source was warned about leaking classified information but did it anyway. It wasn't like it was information that you could conscientiously object to or was morally wrong. It involved national defense matters that the source was not supposed to leak. That's against the law and Rosen was part and parcel to the crime. Yes, national security trumps speech. If you divulge information that could leave millions of Americans vulnerable, you should be punished.

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Of all the scandals, this one disgusts me the most. Mostly because it was clearly a high-up decision and so blatant. I do not believe conspiracy theorists about Benghazi this or that. But to literally spy on members of the press for drummed up, phony reasons?

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