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Star Trek (2009) 46 37.70%
Star Trek Into Darkness 55 45.08%
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:41 PM   #51
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Funny thing is...if he hadn't been Khan then people would have complained "Where is Khan?? They found him in the other timeline, why didn't theyf ind him in this one?"

With forum users...you can't win either way really.

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Old 05-20-2013, 01:25 PM   #52
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I agree, but you should probably spoiler tag your post, a lot of people still haven't seen the film.

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A lot of the emotional scenes on STID seems kind of forced, and cheesy. ST09 had a better, more natural flow. That being said, Cumberbatch made this film amazing. He saved it.
That's my feeling as well. However I'm really enjoying Chris Pine's Kirk. He's embodied the roll and pays tribute to Shatner's performance, but at the same time made it his own.

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Old 05-20-2013, 01:38 PM   #54
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Funny thing is...if he hadn't been Khan then people would have complained "Where is Khan?? They found him in the other timeline, why didn't theyf ind him in this one?"

With forum users...you can't win either way really.
I don't think that's true at all.

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I don't think that's true at all.
maybe you were visiting the alternative reality forums

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:22 PM   #56
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For me, Star Trek 11 was better. It felt fresh, I felt like the character developments were better compare to Star Trek 12, I felt like I knew the cast more and in my opinion, the villain was better, I prefer his backstory more.

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:47 PM   #57
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I have to admit, after this long wait, this is the story they came up with? What this story? With my faults with The Dark Knight Rises, at least that movie had some serious ambitions even if some of the execution was off (to my eyes)

That being said, I liked 'Darkness' but preferred ST 2009. I couldn't help it but to ask "Why this story" the entire time.

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I have to admit, after this long wait, this is the story they came up with? What this story? With my faults with The Dark Knight Rises, at least that movie had some serious ambitions even if some of the execution was off (to my eyes)

That being said, I liked 'Darkness' but preferred ST 2009. I couldn't help it but to ask "Why this story" the entire time.
I enjoyed STID, but there was a sense of a missed opportunity here. I mean, you've got an unstoppable killing machine as your villain and all he does in the second half of the movie is take over a ship and try to blow up the Enterprise? Meh. It doesn't exactly represent a step up in terms of plot from the first movie.

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I wonder: Do some here think of 'Star Trek into Darkness' as the Quantum of Solace to Star Trek 2009's Casino Royale?

To a point I do, but 'alt' time line where 'Into Darkness' had plenty of time to figure things out and 'QoS' didn't.

See what I did there! Oh boy!

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Old 05-21-2013, 06:12 PM   #60
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I would say its also a tie for me. I don't think STID was lacking what made ST09 work, but at the same time I'm not sure if they were able to build on that.

It goes without saying since I've always liked the character, but I really didn't have a problem with them using Khan again as the villain. I mean considering that he's pretty much the definitive Trek villain, I think it was inevitable that we'd see him again with the focus returning to Kirk.

Though I can understand why people who want the new timeline to explore new stories and characters are disappointed.

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After seeing STID on Sunday night I was ready to vote that, but watched the 1st one again today and I still love it, will have to watch STID to really decide, and will be doing so in the next few days.

First Contact is the only other ST I ever liked.

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I wonder: Do some here think of 'Star Trek into Darkness' as the Quantum of Solace to Star Trek 2009's Casino Royale?

To a point I do, but 'alt' time line where 'Into Darkness' had plenty of time to figure things out and 'QoS' didn't.

See what I did there! Oh boy!
I don't because QOS's main problem was that it was boring and STID definitely was not.

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After watching STID again tonight, I still cant decide, both movies are superb, and they sort of counter each other in the fact that one movies problems the other one sort of deals with and vice-versa, I dont think I will ever be able to decide.

I do think though, that ST09 will have more reply value than STID, but that remains to be seen. At the moment I would have to say a tie.

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I liked ST more than STID but both were good and fun.

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More like a personal pet peeve but in STID the Enterprise, the flag ship of the federation cant even get one freakingshot off? At least in ST you see the Enterprise fire all weapons at Nero's ship and there are two actual space fights.

In STID its just the USS Vengeance shooting for maybe 30 seconds, you dont even get to see a Bird of Prey in action. Its like the Enterprise is inept in STID, cant even fight back or shoot one freaking weapon. Other than that it was a good movie.

Just wish in ST3 we get to see the Enterprise in action, attacking fighting back against the Klingons if and when the War breaks out

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I liked ST more than STID but both were good and fun.

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More like a personal pet peeve but in STID the Enterprise, the flag ship of the federation cant even get one freakingshot off? At least in ST you see the Enterprise fire all weapons at Nero's ship and there are two actual space fights.

In STID its just the USS Vengeance shooting for maybe 30 seconds, you dont even get to see a Bird of Prey in action. Its like the Enterprise is inept in STID, cant even fight back or shoot one freaking weapon. Other than that it was a good movie.

Just wish in ST3 we get to see the Enterprise in action, attacking fighting back against the Klingons if and when the War breaks out
Wow, couldnt agree more with this, it is my main complaint about STID really and the Enterprise just felt so inept throughout, not one phaser or torpedo or whatever else fired. I loved the action we got, but just one space battle isnt too much to ask for surely.

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I wonder: Do some here think of 'Star Trek into Darkness' as the Quantum of Solace to Star Trek 2009's Casino Royale?
Goodness No. Into Darkness is a good solid action packed and entertaining film. Quantum of Solace was a load of garbage.

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I liked ST more than STID but both were good and fun.

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More like a personal pet peeve but in STID the Enterprise, the flag ship of the federation cant even get one freakingshot off? At least in ST you see the Enterprise fire all weapons at Nero's ship and there are two actual space fights.

In STID its just the USS Vengeance shooting for maybe 30 seconds, you dont even get to see a Bird of Prey in action. Its like the Enterprise is inept in STID, cant even fight back or shoot one freaking weapon. Other than that it was a good movie.

Just wish in ST3 we get to see the Enterprise in action, attacking fighting back against the Klingons if and when the War breaks out
the reason the enterprise couldn't fight was because of sabotage. The warp core and the power cup-link unit was low. Kirk even told Scotty that he couldn't beam him aboard was because of low power also the weaponry on the USS Vengeance was far more advance than that of The Enterprise.

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I prefer STID, but let's face it both movies are pretty **** and feel like being made by retards.

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the reason the enterprise couldn't fight was because of sabotage. The warp core and the power cup-link unit was low. Kirk even told Scotty that he couldn't beam him aboard was because of low power also the weaponry on the USS Vengeance was far more advance than that of The Enterprise.
I know what your saying but at the same time its kinda a cop out and one of the biggest downer of the movie. Dont get me wrong i liked it but

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Doing a WOK remake revision and having the Enterprise fire not even one shot, or one torpedo is like having a Batman movie without the bat mobile, Superman without the flying, Fast and furious without fast cars. It just feels so fundamentally wrong. I liked the movie but was fuming inside that we were cheated an epic space battle

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I didn't like 09 much. Being a Trekkie, I was very anti-anyone else playing these characters. I hate reboots and remakes and retelling the same stories for younger generations. That being said, this movie was waaaayyyyyy better and more Trek-like. Loved the Section 31 shout-out too.

Pine looks like Shatner in every angle... still not in love with Quinto as Spock. To me, Nimoy was so alien and weird, he was unique. Quinto while he gets certain mannerisms, just isn't alien enough for me.

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I liked ST09 a bit better.
But ,STID was still pretty good .
I would never compare ito QOS though.
Not one of my favorite bond films.

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I liked Star Trek 2009 better. It felt fresher to me, despite the stale revenge plot. But with 2009 I was surprised by how good the casting was and how the new take on the characters got so much of the spirit of the original actors right. And the action scenes were the best executed of any Trek film up to that point.

With Into Darkness I think the action probably exceeds Trek '09 but that's about the only thing that does. Though while Into Darkness decides to just bring Khan back instead of going the Khan-like villain route (Kruge, Chang, Soran, Ru'afo, Shinzon, and Nero all fit to some degree into that category), I felt that's where the film lost me. The 2009 film told an original story, we never really had seen how the crew came together, and Into Darkness opted for a semi-remake of Wrath of Khan.

Trek '09 opened the door to tell new Trek stories while Into Darkness took a step backward. Back in the day, when I was first getting into Trek, one of the things I often wondered was what would it be like to match the spirit and characters of the original show with today's technology.

I think Abrams and crew did a good job doing that in Trek '09, but with Into Darkness instead of pushing forward, of telling new stories, they went back to rehashing what came before. Granted they tried to wrap it into current themes, but I don't think that process helped either storyline in the film. If anything, the big reveal took all of the oxygen out of the room, and that was compounded by aping Wrath of Khan. That being said, I liked Peter Weller's addition and the mention of Section 31. I also liked Alice Eve but thought she was wasted.

I do think that Cumberbatch did a better job in the acting department than Bana. But I still can't buy him as Khan. And the change from tyrant to terrorist might be more relevant for today's audiences, but it didn't feel like Khan to me. And I'm even going to go into the nationality/ethnic/racial change in actors.


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I know what your saying but at the same time its kinda a cop out and one of the biggest downer of the movie. Dont get me wrong i liked it but

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Doing a WOK remake revision and having the Enterprise fire not even one shot, or one torpedo is like having a Batman movie without the bat mobile, Superman without the flying, Fast and furious without fast cars. It just feels so fundamentally wrong. I liked the movie but was fuming inside that we were cheated an epic space battle
Once again I agree, the Enterprise should have at least put up a little fight against either the Vengeance or some Klingon warbirds that approached it first.

It was honestly my one major dissapointment with the movie that we didnt get a space battle, the rest of the movie I pretty much loved.

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The first one. I liked Into Darkness but it tells essentially the same character arc as its predecessor, especially with Kirk. The first was about Kirk getting to be the captain of the Enterprise and the second largely retreads that ground. It also wasn't able to be its own entity apart from the other mythos in the way that the first one was because at a certain point it becomes a huge rehash of Wrath of Khan.

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