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Old 05-21-2013, 03:11 PM   #51
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It turns out the Starkiller in the second game wasn't a clone, it was the original Starkiller. Vader just told Starkiller he was a clone in the hopes of manipulating him. I was pretty impressed by that, because all the marketing around the game swore up and down that he was a duplicate. Throughout TFU II you slowly learn that he's the original, though you do fight a bunch of clones.
It wasn't confirmed. It was implied. The best solution WOULD have been if in TFU III, you find out that Vader sent a droid to sustain what was left of him, and he used the Force to revive him again, and you find out Vader attempted to create a Clone army of him but they couldn't harness the Force and he canned it. In that same game, you have Boba freeing Vader, they go to Coruscant, where Starkiller distracts Vader/Emperor while Leia (who has come to the Senate to vote for the continuation of the Senate) knows it's a ruse, and she spends her time stealing the plans for the Death Star alongside Rebel spies. She gets away, Palpatine ensures the disassembly of the Senate, Starkiller kills himself after Palpatine arrives at the aftermath of his battle with Vader to ensure that he can no longer be used.

Vader is rebuilt and ordered to intercept the Tantive IV, thus setting the stage for Episode IV.


BUT - if they went ahead and made that, they would pretty much reaffirm that TFU is canon, leaving the only time period for SWR being the Dark Times - which makes no sense because 1. The Dark Times is too mature for a kids show, 2. The Rebellion isn't even formed yet.

It only makes sense to knock at least one or both of the TFU games out of continuity, or include them both in canon, and have the show revolve around the other characters while the events of the game take place which are creatively limiting.

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It wasn't confirmed. It was implied.
Heavily implied, to the point where it was all but confirmed. The game wasn't exactly subtle about it. I thought it was a cool twist.

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With TFU, nothing is heavily implied. They pull twists out of left field all the time. Twists on twists. Sometimes twists on twists on twists. I wouldn't be surprised to see a twist on a twist on a twist on a twist.

No offence, but a heavy implication in TFU doesn't amount to much.

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My apologies, I didn't realize you work for Disney. With that in mind, I humbly concede.

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With TFU, nothing is heavily implied. They pull twists out of left field all the time. Twists on twists. Sometimes twists on twists on twists. I wouldn't be surprised to see a twist on a twist on a twist on a twist.

No offence, but a heavy implication in TFU doesn't amount to much.
I'm assuming you played TFU II, I did too, and we obviously came away with drastically different interpretations. The impression I got was the game practically shoved it down the players throat that Starkiller wasn't a clone. Like, beyond actually coming right out and saying it, it literally could not have been more obvious.

That said, your argument that it was a clone evidently has more merit than mine. Wookiepedia seems to back you up, despite whatever the game did or didn't imply.

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I'm assuming you played TFU II, I did too, and we obviously came away with drastically different interpretations. The impression I got was the game practically shoved it down the players throat that Starkiller wasn't a clone. Like, beyond actually coming right out and saying it, it literally could not have been more obvious.

That said, your argument that it was a clone evidently has more merit than mine. Wookiepedia seems to back you up, despite whatever the game did or didn't imply.
The problem is that regardless of what it implied, the game raised too many questions. A third game was NOT guaranteed, so in doing this they shot themselves in the foot - whether he was a clone or not.

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The problem is that regardless of what it implied, the game raised too many questions. A third game was NOT guaranteed, so in doing this they shot themselves in the foot - whether he was a clone or not.
We can definitely agree on that. On top of all the questions, it ends on a semi-cliff hanger. Given that the people behind TFU II had to of known a third one was unlikely (based on the way they rushed the second one out) it's pretty silly how much they left unanswered.

For that reason (among others) it would be cool to see Starkiller's story retconned for Rebels, if they're going to have him in the show at all. Use the game stories as a rough guide, or at least the character's origin, and then let Filoni and crew do their own thing. They would undoubtedly do a better job in telling Starkiller's story than either of the games did.

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I feel like if they retcon TFU, we won't even get Starkiller.

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I TFU works ONLY as a game, along with Starkiller. It works in its own logic, but should never be introduce into main canon. At this point, it's dead anyway.

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^ And it barely works as that, story-wise.

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Yeah, it wasn't really about the narrative. It was about the cool stuff you can do as a player. As a super power Jedi. The money shots.

But if insert into main canon, then it doesn't make a lick of sense and just makes it a mess.

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Exactly. ^

And I'm not even a fan of Starkiller or those games. Hope I never see him in a show or movies.

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Why does everyone hate TFU storyline? To me it's one of the best Star Wars stories ever told. And if I remember correctly wasn't the first game at least confirmed as canon?

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Yeah, it wasn't really about the narrative. It was about the cool stuff you can do as a player. As a super power Jedi. The money shots.

But if insert into main canon, then it doesn't make a lick of sense and just makes it a mess.
Exactly, and it annoys me how much they kept pimping this guy as powerful than Vader and yet he doesn't live to the trilogy (yes he's alive at TFU2 which actually manages to make the TFU series even s**ttier but come on, he'd be in the trilogy somehow). Not to mention it make Vader look bad in comparison. It may be "Canon", but honestly, I hope whatever Rebels does undoes TFU.

Plus, more of the anger (including me) also includes the fact that LucasArts for consoles, couldn't get a sequel any of their best games (KOTOR, Battlefront, Bounty Hunter, and Republic Commando) and yet they made too terrible Force Unleashed games.

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Why does everyone hate TFU storyline? To me it's one of the best Star Wars stories ever told. And if I remember correctly wasn't the first game at least confirmed as canon?
I think people are mad that Starkiller is the most badass jedi to date cause you know he beat Vader TWICE!!

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Or it's because, you know, TFU sucks. It might be that.

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Or it's because, you know, TFU sucks. It might be that.
It sucks is an opinion but your stating it like its a fact. This is a fact TFU sold over 1.7mil copies making the highest selling Video game in Lucas Arts history. So Suck on that!! If you mad they made a sequel to the game get mad at the 1.7million people who bought the game.

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I wonder how many sold it a day or two later in anger.

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I hope the first few episodes are the 'final' episodes we don't "get" for Clone Wars. Sort of a bridge...

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Remember a while back when there were rumors about a spin-off film starring a younger Han and Chewie? I think the genesis of that rumor came from this. Plus, Simon Kinberg is heavily involved. Hmm.

I don't see the point of any films that take place during this era if it can be covered in the show, AND it won't piss off some fans who don't want another actor playing Han. Young or old.

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Or it's because, you know, TFU sucks. It might be that.
Yeah...I really don't want that to stay in continuity. It did just about everything wrong. Vader shouldn't have been getting the crap kicked out of him, Starkiller was powerful to the point it was annoying, and the whole story REALLY ruined the whole concept of the Rebel Alliance. IMO something like that would form naturally. The second game had a better story and made Vader a lot cooler, but all of that didn't matter because it was only 4 and a half hours long.


Anyway I'm hoping the show doesn't use Vader too much. He should be used sparingly to say the least and I hope Palpatine doesn't even appear, maybe once like he did in the Clone Wars, but that's it.

As for Starkiller, if Ashoka is still alive then, he'd be a cool character to introduce. A story arc revolving around Starkiller, his training with Vader, and his master learning of Ashoka's existence would be great. Starkiller is trained through cruelty in traditional sith manner, and is sent to bring Ashoka back to Vader alive. Ashoka mourns her former master and talks of his kindness and understanding. Then when she is confronted by Vader, and Starkiller learns his master's past life as Anakin Skywalker, he realizes Vader intends to replace him with his captive. I think this could make him into a much more tragic character and the arc ending with both his students deaths would be add an element of sympathy for the dark lord of the sith as well.

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I really hope Disney lets this be TV-PG like the Clone Wars were on CN.

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Aside from Starkiller/Ahsoka both whom I'd like to see in Star Wars Rebels, I would love to see a young Mara Jade so she can be cannonized and Episode VII might not be totally lost to retconning.

Here's an episode idea to introduce her: The Rebels just completed a mission and are victorious in extracting vital intel which could help the Rebels turn the tide. Along the way they "rescue"(because they're good-guy heroic rebels) a little/teenage girl with red hair(depending how far in this series is), along the way back to base each crew member of the ship is being picked off and killed one by one ala Predator/Alien assassin style.

However, no one suspects it's the girl, even going as far as body guarding her and when then they do suspect her, you hear the snap-hiss of a purple lightsaber and then next minute, all the remaining rebels are dead. You then hear a voice saying: "Looks like you all have been dealt a bad hand, long live the Empire."


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