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Old 05-21-2013, 06:25 AM   #26
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I like the theory that Hurt comes from an aborted timeline. Like McGann turns into Hurt, time rewinds in some way so we're back to McGann, and McGann turns into Eccleston.
Just thinking about that gives me a headache

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I figure It'll be something simple in the end. A extra regeneration that somehow doesn't count (though we know he does/did exist), seems a bit too convoluted to me.

An aged 8 transformed by the Time War fits the bill imo. It's a simple answer, and it fills in the big blank between the TV movie and the relaunch, where as far as canon goes (ie: anything shown on screen) we don't know what 8 got up to at all. All we know is that going by 9's first episode it must have been 8 in the war and (before Hurt turned up) we assumed it must have him who ended it.

So 8 is still the Doctor, but in the Doctors own mind something he does makes him lose the right (later on) to bear the Doctor name. If it's something in the Time War, which has been mentioned as lasting several thousand years? (iirc) this can explain why Clara didn't recognise him. She saw (and presumably saved at some point) the younger McGann before the time locked war (which she couldn't access), before he was aged into the battle weary Hurt.

That this version evolved in the locked war can also explain away why he exists in the Doctors personal time-line as a separate entity....

Maybe....Lol. Anyone's guess is as good as anothers atm.

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I like the theory that Hurt comes from an aborted timeline. Like McGann turns into Hurt, time rewinds in some way so we're back to McGann, and McGann turns into Eccleston.

Yeah Moffat loves his "It happened but didn't happen" and "aborted timelines" cliche

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Since the Master was used as a weapon in the time war odd are The Doctor was too.

The timelords probably forced 8 to regenerate into something that could end the war(Hurt)

Hurt does the job and uses "The moment"

Using one of Moffat's favorite story trick "It happened but didn't happen also"

Hurt is erased and McGann returns but can still remember it happening(Moffat story trick #3453)

McGann runs away but is injured and regenerates into Eccelston

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You know what would be funny? If Hurt's Doctor had nothing to do with the Time War. We're spending all this time trying to figure out where he lies between McGann and Eccleston, and Moffat might end up making him the reason Hartnell left Gallifrey or a future Doctor whose actions our Doctor has already witnessed.

In fact, my current theory is that he's the 13th Doctor. Or possibly even a 14th Doctor who did something horrible to cheat his regeneration limit, like when the Master stole the body of Nyssa's father to cheat his own limit.

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You know what would be funny? If Hurt's Doctor had nothing to do with the Time War. We're spending all this time trying to figure out where he lies between McGann and Eccleston, and Moffat might end up making him the reason Hartnell left Gallifrey or a future Doctor whose actions our Doctor has already witnessed.

In fact, my current theory is that he's the 13th Doctor. Or possibly even a 14th Doctor who did something horrible to cheat his regeneration limit, like when the Master stole the body of Nyssa's father to cheat his own limit.
Now that would be an interesting twist: A later regeneration that 'cheated' his natural (such as they are) limits would qualify as 'breaking the promise', even if his reasons for doing so were for 'peace and for sanity'. The idea of the Doctor stealing another's life, even to do good afterwards, would be abhorrent to the Doctor as we know him (and would explain why Clara never saw him as technically it wouldn't truly be the Doctor, but a stolen body his mind had taken over).

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Regardless of whether he is a past or future version of the Doctor, he does provide the beginnings of an explanation for Valeyard. If the Doctor can completely reject an incarnation out of guilt and shame, and can do so so thoroughly that no one realizes it, than all he requires for a Valeyard incarnation would be to do so without the guilt or humility. The Tome Lords do seem to have some control over the general direction of their regenerations, so maybe at some point in the future the Doctor rejects his guilt and embraces the Time Lord Victorious side, creating a merciless fiend who scares even the Master.

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@ Manic- Sweet idea. I think the 8th/9th costume mash up make it less likely, but it would be interesting.

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Eh. If costumes were anything to go by, then that would mean there was some deeper, unknown connection between the 3rd and 8th Doctors' similar clothing style. Or there's some strange significance to the 11th Doctor being the first incarnation since the 7th to wear a hat.

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Eh. If costumes were anything to go by, then that would mean there was some deeper, unknown connection between the 3rd and 8th Doctors' similar clothing style. Or there's some strange significance to the 11th Doctor being the first incarnation since the 7th to wear a hat.
I think wearing some of the same actual garments is a clue, whether deceptive or not.

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He's at current an amalgamation of Doctors. We know nothing other than he exists, he is The Doctor at some point between his birth and his death, and that he has broken the promise, which I assume means that The Doctor promised himself to heal the universe or something and Hurt went around stabbing puppies in the face with knitting needles...

I'm still hoping he's the Valeyard.

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But if 9 just regenerated, why wear Doctor Hurt's jacket?

The only origin of the Valeyard comes from the Master. His sworn enemy. Maybe 8 didn't regenerate into Dr. Hurt. Maybe the timelords wanted the Doctor to do something he didn't want to so they stole/forced a regeneration like they did with 2. That's why he doesn't consider it to be one of him and kept the regeneration numbers going. Like we have 10.5 based on the lame hand regeneration. You technically can regenerate without changing.

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If he was forced into Hurt then why would he count Pertwee since he was forced into that as well?

I don't think he's a lost regeneration in any case. If he was 9 would want rid of those clothes as fast as possible.

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If he was forced into Hurt then why would he count Pertwee since he was forced into that as well?
3's puishment was banishment. The crazyness came in later regenerations.After the Doctor regenerates is when he's most unstable.Doctor Hurt and the Doctor agreed that he did it for peace and sanity. It's just not what the Doctor is supposed to do.

So where ever Hurt is, is his punishment. I'm guessing he's going to manifest somehow.

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But if 9 just regenerated, why wear Doctor Hurt's jacket?
To remind him of what he'd just done as Hurt? So he never goes down that road again perhaps?

Tbh, I doubt they will explain his costume much, if at all. Atm its 9's jacket with elements of 8's gear (waistcoat and neck scarf). The boots (look like old style soldier boots I think), and the bullet holding strap (they look like bullets to me at any rate) are something entirely new (again would seem to point to the Time War, where we know he fought on the 'front lines').

I can't see him being an amalgamated Doctor as none have ever sported a goatee (though we know he can grow a beard if he wanted to), so for me (atm) I'm sticking with him being an aged and battle weary 8, who breaks the 'promise', losing his right to the chosen name, during the war.

So while he was the younger McGann, he was the Doctor, and that is the one Clara saw, but the aged version was locked away in the time war beyond Clara's reach.

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Lol, "Doctor Hurt" sounds like a pro wrestler.

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Yeah looking at him in S5 now is kind of weird if only because of how much younger he appears. I don't know if he actually looks older or if its a hair thing or what but it is a pretty striking difference.

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Lol, "Doctor Hurt" sounds like a pro wrestler.
Or a really dark porn alias.

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Yeah looking at him in S5 now is kind of weird if only because of how much younger he appears. I don't know if he actually looks older or if its a hair thing or what but it is a pretty striking difference.
It could also be a facial expression thing. Or maybe those few years were when his face went from its "young adult that needs to show ID" stage to its "regular adult who'll look like this for the next decade and a half" stage. I think a lot of people go through that in their mid-20's.

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I reckon it's a mix of his different haircut and slightly less chubbier in the face.

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I haven't rewatched any old Smith episodes. I was wondering whether his performance had become a touch less eccentric. Anyone able to give their view?

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Smith's performance used to have stronger hints of Patrick Troughton's Doctor in it. That's about the only difference I've noticed.

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He seems to be doing better at the dark brooding now. That's what I've noticed. Then again I've only watched The Lodger and Closing Time recently, but I don't remember him being so dark and brooding, even when he was called to be dark and brooding.

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Dunno if it's being brought up before (as there is an older version) but stumbled across this just now, thought it was pretty well done and nifty..

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Also I think we will see Trenzalore again, possibly in fashion of undoing it as his resting place. I think the Hurt Doctor will be connected to the questions "Doctor Who?" - possibly this is the man that everyone in the universe is so afraid of.. Perhaps the question is not of his name but who the Doctor really is. I also wonder if Trenzalore is more of a prison - the resting place of the Hurt Doctor rather than an actual grave of the Dr. Maybe he sacrifices himself to hold Hurt there.... I dunno, I'm just spitballing nonsense now I think. Might possibly see the Silence again as isn't Trenzalore suppose to be the place where silence will fall too? Or has that already happened and I'm just forgetting it lol... I also wonder if we have begun to witness the start of the destruction of the TARDIS - the cracked window that happened in the last episode... it could just be a cracked window but it seemed to stick out a bit too much in the episode to just be a throw away thing..

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